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Hello rishimba,
i gave him the alfalfa this morning in water. he did not want to drink it because he did not like the taste. can i put in juice or does it have to be water?
Also, i just ordered the phosphorus. I should receive it tomorrow. How many drops of that do i give him? I am very excited to see if this helps him.
i gave him the alfalfa this morning in water. he did not want to drink it because he did not like the taste. can i put in juice or does it have to be water?
Also, i just ordered the phosphorus. I should receive it tomorrow. How many drops of that do i give him? I am very excited to see if this helps him.
franki last decade
which one did u buy?
alfalfa-q is better and can be mixed with some quarter cup of water. it does not change the taste.
its better to give him 30 minutes before or after food.
regarding phosphorus, you can prepare a dose by mixing 3 to 4 drops of the remedy in some 20 ml of water.
ask him to sip it slowly in empty stomach early in the morning.
no food or water for at least 90 minutes after taking the dose.
thats only for one day in a month, and so it can be followed.
alfalfa-q is better and can be mixed with some quarter cup of water. it does not change the taste.
its better to give him 30 minutes before or after food.
regarding phosphorus, you can prepare a dose by mixing 3 to 4 drops of the remedy in some 20 ml of water.
ask him to sip it slowly in empty stomach early in the morning.
no food or water for at least 90 minutes after taking the dose.
thats only for one day in a month, and so it can be followed.
♡ rishimba last decade
Hello again franki, and yes, you should still give your son the 30c. His problems are not that severe, and I would consider this more than adequate a potency to deal with them.
You should not really give the alfalfa at the same time as the Phosphorus, as only ONE medicinal substances is needed at a time in the treatment of ANY complaint, and alfalfa, being a herb, is also capable of producing it's own symptoms. Personally, I do not think this will do any great harm if prescribed alongside the Phos, as it is a very mild herb, but it is completely unecessary, so this is up to you.
Thank you for the further information about your sons eys etc.
I would not recommend giving your son monthly doses of the remedy, as this is not how we prescribe. If Phos is indeed indicated, and the first dose cures his problems (as I expect it will), the remedy should only then be repeated if these problems return. We do not routinely prescribe additional doses without again taking the case, and in some circumstances this can actually cause the symptoms to return again, after they have already been removed. Personally, I would not reapply the same potency after such a long period anyway, as this is not good prescribing. It should also NOT be applied (particularly in a lower potency) during nosebleeds 'as often as required', if you are already applying it for his constitutional state.
The dosage of the remedy would be as follows:
Phosphorus, 30c 1 drop in a little water (served in a disposable cup) 3 times on one day, as evenly spaced as possible.
Good luck.
You should not really give the alfalfa at the same time as the Phosphorus, as only ONE medicinal substances is needed at a time in the treatment of ANY complaint, and alfalfa, being a herb, is also capable of producing it's own symptoms. Personally, I do not think this will do any great harm if prescribed alongside the Phos, as it is a very mild herb, but it is completely unecessary, so this is up to you.
Thank you for the further information about your sons eys etc.
I would not recommend giving your son monthly doses of the remedy, as this is not how we prescribe. If Phos is indeed indicated, and the first dose cures his problems (as I expect it will), the remedy should only then be repeated if these problems return. We do not routinely prescribe additional doses without again taking the case, and in some circumstances this can actually cause the symptoms to return again, after they have already been removed. Personally, I would not reapply the same potency after such a long period anyway, as this is not good prescribing. It should also NOT be applied (particularly in a lower potency) during nosebleeds 'as often as required', if you are already applying it for his constitutional state.
The dosage of the remedy would be as follows:
Phosphorus, 30c 1 drop in a little water (served in a disposable cup) 3 times on one day, as evenly spaced as possible.
Good luck.
Mr Organon last decade
well, franky can decide whom to follow.
some people are more cautious than others based on their experience. everyone bases his own technique on what he learns during his practice.
i have experienced that single dose theory works with rather high potencies in practice. when it comes to 200c, it needs to be repeated a few times to get a sustained result. its ok if you repeat a few times.
check out all the cases i have handled in the past 3 years here and find out how many have suffered from proving symptoms. aggravations or suppression .. if you can.
some people are more cautious than others based on their experience. everyone bases his own technique on what he learns during his practice.
i have experienced that single dose theory works with rather high potencies in practice. when it comes to 200c, it needs to be repeated a few times to get a sustained result. its ok if you repeat a few times.
check out all the cases i have handled in the past 3 years here and find out how many have suffered from proving symptoms. aggravations or suppression .. if you can.
♡ rishimba last decade
It is not just experience on which the above is based though Rishimba, it is also based upon the basic rules of prescribing, as stated by Hahnemann himself.
I would agree, any remedy of any potency may be repeated a few times with advantageous results, but not after a period of a month when any reaction would have already taken place. To apply a potency in this manner would be like helping the patient to get to their feet, by the initial dose, and then kicking them over again, by the application of subsequent, and probably uneeded doses. The reaction to a dose should always be ascertained before applying any more of the same, rather than just as a matter of routine.
It is true that deviations from these 'rules' may not always cause problems to the patient, but when we already have tried and tested guidelines for prescribing, which are known from 200 years of experience to be completely effective, why take the risk?
I would agree, any remedy of any potency may be repeated a few times with advantageous results, but not after a period of a month when any reaction would have already taken place. To apply a potency in this manner would be like helping the patient to get to their feet, by the initial dose, and then kicking them over again, by the application of subsequent, and probably uneeded doses. The reaction to a dose should always be ascertained before applying any more of the same, rather than just as a matter of routine.
It is true that deviations from these 'rules' may not always cause problems to the patient, but when we already have tried and tested guidelines for prescribing, which are known from 200 years of experience to be completely effective, why take the risk?
Mr Organon last decade
A perfect example of the above, posted here: http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/135142/
'21- TUB,BECI,PULS,ARS.ALB,H.SULPH,RHUS,BRY,PYRO,BAPT and many more given by different homoeopaths.I wasn't so bad unless i was given PHOSPHORUS 1m and 1m with the gap of 1 month.'
'21- TUB,BECI,PULS,ARS.ALB,H.SULPH,RHUS,BRY,PYRO,BAPT and many more given by different homoeopaths.I wasn't so bad unless i was given PHOSPHORUS 1m and 1m with the gap of 1 month.'
Mr Organon last decade
Hello Everyone,
I thank you for your replies and as expected, I am confused. Remember, I am a mother of 4 with no education in homeopathic medicine, however, have the greatest respect for those who do.
Rishimba,
I ordered the alfalfa q from this site but the bottle only states 'Alfalfa'. I just assumed it was the same and started giving it to him yesterday because I am so anxious to help him. (he tells me stories about what other children say to him at school regarding his size)
I have also ordered the phos 200c which i should be receiving today. In your opinion, should i give him both the alfalfa and phos together? Should I give the alfalfa for a couple of weeks and then the phosphorus?
Mr. Organon,
I so appreciate your comments and advice. I am SO confused. As you know, I have started him on the alfalfa. He had three doses yesterday. He woke me in the middle of the nite to tell me his stomach hurt but was fine this morning.
I now have Phos 30c (pellet form) in my home. I have ordered the Phos 200c. (liquid) Since he took the alfalfa, how long should i continue to give this to him and when should i give the phosphorus?
If I understand you correctly, you are saying i should give him ONE dose of phos 30c 3 times in one day and that is it?? Also you say it will cure his problem....does that mean he may start to grow at a normal pace?
And one more thing I would like your opinion on. A highly respected doctor that has also not seen my son but has helped 2 of my loved ones with cancer said that we should give him psorinum 1000c one a month for 3 months. What do you make of that? I never did it because again I am so unfamiliar with all of this but i also trust him.
I await both your responses. Please help me to understand what i should do with the least complications and side effects for him. The last thing i want to do is more harm than good.
With all respect and many thanks,
Franki
I thank you for your replies and as expected, I am confused. Remember, I am a mother of 4 with no education in homeopathic medicine, however, have the greatest respect for those who do.
Rishimba,
I ordered the alfalfa q from this site but the bottle only states 'Alfalfa'. I just assumed it was the same and started giving it to him yesterday because I am so anxious to help him. (he tells me stories about what other children say to him at school regarding his size)
I have also ordered the phos 200c which i should be receiving today. In your opinion, should i give him both the alfalfa and phos together? Should I give the alfalfa for a couple of weeks and then the phosphorus?
Mr. Organon,
I so appreciate your comments and advice. I am SO confused. As you know, I have started him on the alfalfa. He had three doses yesterday. He woke me in the middle of the nite to tell me his stomach hurt but was fine this morning.
I now have Phos 30c (pellet form) in my home. I have ordered the Phos 200c. (liquid) Since he took the alfalfa, how long should i continue to give this to him and when should i give the phosphorus?
If I understand you correctly, you are saying i should give him ONE dose of phos 30c 3 times in one day and that is it?? Also you say it will cure his problem....does that mean he may start to grow at a normal pace?
And one more thing I would like your opinion on. A highly respected doctor that has also not seen my son but has helped 2 of my loved ones with cancer said that we should give him psorinum 1000c one a month for 3 months. What do you make of that? I never did it because again I am so unfamiliar with all of this but i also trust him.
I await both your responses. Please help me to understand what i should do with the least complications and side effects for him. The last thing i want to do is more harm than good.
With all respect and many thanks,
Franki
franki last decade
Franki,
I have seen harms caused by repeating 200C even after a month. Same potency repeated after such wrong time often takes the patient in the opposite direction to that of cure.
So, I would agree with both things here , one, a 200C is not needed to begin with, and two, it does not not need to be repeated every month.
Start with 3 doses of 30C as stated by Mr Organon.
Sameer.
I have seen harms caused by repeating 200C even after a month. Same potency repeated after such wrong time often takes the patient in the opposite direction to that of cure.
So, I would agree with both things here , one, a 200C is not needed to begin with, and two, it does not not need to be repeated every month.
Start with 3 doses of 30C as stated by Mr Organon.
Sameer.
sameervermani last decade
By 'harms' I mean developing new symptoms which were not part of the original complaint, but are part of the remedy symptom picture. At times, I have also seen the very symptoms which were cured by the first dose starting to come back with the repeated dose of the same potency.
But 3 doses of 30C and enough waiting time after that should be a pretty safe way. You need not be scared.
But 3 doses of 30C and enough waiting time after that should be a pretty safe way. You need not be scared.
sameervermani last decade
Sameer,
you have no idea what that last sentence means to me. Thank you!
Rashimba and Mr. Organon,
I still await your responses to the questions I asked this morning..
you have no idea what that last sentence means to me. Thank you!
Rashimba and Mr. Organon,
I still await your responses to the questions I asked this morning..
franki last decade
Hello again Franki.
Hmm, stomach problems are a common side-effect from this 'nutritional' use of alfalfa, as this is part of it's drug pathogenecy. Personally, I would not continue with this herb, but this is of course your choice.
The Phosphorus may be given a couple of days after it's cesation.
This is correct. Quite possibly, depending on whether there are any other causes as part of his constitution which are curtailing this, but this seems doubtful.
Again, a remedy should not be applied in the same potency after such a long period of time as a month, except if the symptoms return, although even in this situation it is much more prudent to go slightly higher. I do not though see any indications for Psorinum in your son's presentation, and would advise caution, as this remedy is very deeply acting indeed.
This is exactly what I am trying to do here, provide the most overall benefit to your son, with the least suffering involved, which should be the purpose of any prescriber.
This may be achieved by applying the remedy in the manner suggested:
1 PILL then, allowed to completely dissolve in a 500ml bottle of spring water, and a teaspoon (disposable) given from this bottle 3 times on just one day.
'Dr' Organon.
Hmm, stomach problems are a common side-effect from this 'nutritional' use of alfalfa, as this is part of it's drug pathogenecy. Personally, I would not continue with this herb, but this is of course your choice.
The Phosphorus may be given a couple of days after it's cesation.
This is correct. Quite possibly, depending on whether there are any other causes as part of his constitution which are curtailing this, but this seems doubtful.
Again, a remedy should not be applied in the same potency after such a long period of time as a month, except if the symptoms return, although even in this situation it is much more prudent to go slightly higher. I do not though see any indications for Psorinum in your son's presentation, and would advise caution, as this remedy is very deeply acting indeed.
This is exactly what I am trying to do here, provide the most overall benefit to your son, with the least suffering involved, which should be the purpose of any prescriber.
This may be achieved by applying the remedy in the manner suggested:
1 PILL then, allowed to completely dissolve in a 500ml bottle of spring water, and a teaspoon (disposable) given from this bottle 3 times on just one day.
'Dr' Organon.
Mr Organon last decade
Thank you Sameer...for your re-iteration of, and support to, the true, tried and tested methods of prescribing, which are only ever my concern, regardless of the case involved.
Mr Organon last decade
You are welcome Dr. O. I always support the classical methods of prescribing, regardless of the case, which is not the case with most 'professionals' here. There are very few like you on this forum.
Franki, the water bottle method is the 'safest' of all methods. Please go ahead with that without any fears.
Franki, the water bottle method is the 'safest' of all methods. Please go ahead with that without any fears.
sameervermani last decade
So, i should use the phos 30c pellets i have? I don't have to buy the liquid (which i don't mind doing)?
franki last decade
Dissolve 2 pellets in 500 ml bottle of spring water. Use same bottle to give 3 doses to your son. Each dose is 1 spoon from the bottle. No need to buy liquid.
sameervermani last decade
Well, in all but one case I have so far observed, yes, you do. I would agree, but then the majority of the 'professionals' here are Indian, and you will find that which constitutes a professional Homoeopath in your own country, is very different from that which constitutes this in the rest of the world (perhaps with the exception of France), as most of those trained outside of the Indian continent, are trained in the classical ways.
Mr Organon last decade
I'm sorry Dr. O, are you talking about the liquid vs. pellet in your last post. I'm confused because earlier you stated i could use 1 pill in a 500ml bottle of water.
Sameer said 2 pellets...
And if i may ask, what will the phosphorus do that will help my son? Is his body lacking that mineral? Is it a detox? I am very curious to know.
So, pellet or liquid? how much? any side effects? what should i be looking for after he has taken the phos?
He did tell me last nite that in school his stomach hurt very badly for about an hour. Honestly, i am very nervous now. I so wanted the alfalfa to work but now i am afraid to continue that.
Sameer said 2 pellets...
And if i may ask, what will the phosphorus do that will help my son? Is his body lacking that mineral? Is it a detox? I am very curious to know.
So, pellet or liquid? how much? any side effects? what should i be looking for after he has taken the phos?
He did tell me last nite that in school his stomach hurt very badly for about an hour. Honestly, i am very nervous now. I so wanted the alfalfa to work but now i am afraid to continue that.
franki last decade
franky.. you can start with phos 30c three doses..
i will wait for your response after 20 to 30 days.
in my experience, the effect of phos 200c remains for some 3 to 4 weeks and then the symptoms return.
you may have to give him a few times..
please dont be afraid...
since you are the mother, its your right to take every measure to ensure nothing wrong happens with your son.
i treat my own family members and children for yearss. i have not seen any harm being done to them by repeating the 200c potency after a month when the symptoms return.
i will wait for your response after 20 to 30 days.
in my experience, the effect of phos 200c remains for some 3 to 4 weeks and then the symptoms return.
you may have to give him a few times..
please dont be afraid...
since you are the mother, its your right to take every measure to ensure nothing wrong happens with your son.
i treat my own family members and children for yearss. i have not seen any harm being done to them by repeating the 200c potency after a month when the symptoms return.
♡ rishimba last decade
Thank you all. Before i go ahead with this, just please repeat:
1 or 2 Pellets or 1 drop liquid three times in one day?
Franki
1 or 2 Pellets or 1 drop liquid three times in one day?
Franki
franki last decade
'in my experience, the effect of phos 200c remains for some 3 to 4 weeks and then the symptoms return.'
You are confusing Mr Rishimba, the action of the remedy, and the REaction of the patient. It is not the remedy which provides cure, it is the patient themselves, and once they have fully reacted to the remedy, the duration of it's action becomes irrelevant. This is perhaps rooted in the fact, you are also confusing palliation, and cure. If symptoms return after first being removed by the administration of the similium, there has to exist a very specific reason for this, which must be looked into, and if this is not done, then yes, the symptoms will always return.
This is not cure.
You are confusing Mr Rishimba, the action of the remedy, and the REaction of the patient. It is not the remedy which provides cure, it is the patient themselves, and once they have fully reacted to the remedy, the duration of it's action becomes irrelevant. This is perhaps rooted in the fact, you are also confusing palliation, and cure. If symptoms return after first being removed by the administration of the similium, there has to exist a very specific reason for this, which must be looked into, and if this is not done, then yes, the symptoms will always return.
This is not cure.
Mr Organon last decade
Agreed Dr. O.
If the symptoms return unchanged with 200C dose of a remedy even after a month , it was probably not the correct choice to begin with.
If the symptoms return unchanged with 200C dose of a remedy even after a month , it was probably not the correct choice to begin with.
sameervermani last decade
You also, btw, made no mention of 'if symptoms return', in your original post, there was just the recommendation of three automatic monthly doses, which is not good prescribing.
Mr Organon last decade
'If the symptoms return unchanged with 200C dose of a remedy even after a month , it was probably not the correct choice to begin with.'
Indeed, or just as commonly, as stated above, there exists a reason for their return, which should be sought out, and remedied.
This is the only way cure comes.
Indeed, or just as commonly, as stated above, there exists a reason for their return, which should be sought out, and remedied.
This is the only way cure comes.
Mr Organon last decade
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