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Alcohol is used to preserve the remedy - if it is made with just water the remedy will not last very long and has to be constantly remade.
I typically use brandy or vodka - nothing with cream or milk in it.
If you don't have any alcohol don't worry too much about it for the moment.
Dissolve 1 pillule in water, then hit the bottle/container twice very firmly against the palm of the hand. Place 1 drop (if you can measure it that precisely) into 1/4 cup (60 ml) of water, stir thoroughly and take 1 teaspoon into the mouth.
This is one dose. To take more doses you start from hitting the bottle again against the palm of the hand twice.
Each step in doing this can be adjusted to change the effect of the remedy.
The number of hits of the bottle increases the strength to different levels.
The number of drops and the amount of water used affects the degree of aggravation.
I typically use brandy or vodka - nothing with cream or milk in it.
If you don't have any alcohol don't worry too much about it for the moment.
Dissolve 1 pillule in water, then hit the bottle/container twice very firmly against the palm of the hand. Place 1 drop (if you can measure it that precisely) into 1/4 cup (60 ml) of water, stir thoroughly and take 1 teaspoon into the mouth.
This is one dose. To take more doses you start from hitting the bottle again against the palm of the hand twice.
Each step in doing this can be adjusted to change the effect of the remedy.
The number of hits of the bottle increases the strength to different levels.
The number of drops and the amount of water used affects the degree of aggravation.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
It is not my opinion that two remedies should be mixed together. If a remedy is the simillimum, or even a well chosen similar, it will cure all the important complaints.
If necessary, a second remedy can be given for lingering minor complaints.
The wet dose reduces the problems caused by medicines, it does not increase them. The dry dose when repeated creates more aggravation and has less positive effect. I have never heard of a patient feeling cold affecting whether they are giving dry or wet doses - where has this idea come from? As far as I have seen and heard the size of the dose only affects aggravation.
If I was starting the treatment from scratch I would be starting from 200c though. However the path as already been set here so best to take it carefully.
If necessary, a second remedy can be given for lingering minor complaints.
The wet dose reduces the problems caused by medicines, it does not increase them. The dry dose when repeated creates more aggravation and has less positive effect. I have never heard of a patient feeling cold affecting whether they are giving dry or wet doses - where has this idea come from? As far as I have seen and heard the size of the dose only affects aggravation.
If I was starting the treatment from scratch I would be starting from 200c though. However the path as already been set here so best to take it carefully.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thanks everyone for replying
In how much water should I dissolve the pillule, and how often should I take a dose? If it doesn't last as long without alcohol, how long should I wait before making fresh?
In how much water should I dissolve the pillule, and how often should I take a dose? If it doesn't last as long without alcohol, how long should I wait before making fresh?
brinyskysail last decade
If you jump too quickly to the wrong potency you can aggravate yourself quite severely. When you start at a specific potency, especially when it has been helpful, it is better to use it up, so to speak, before moving upwards.
There is no way, at this point, to know what 200c would do, or even if it would help you. Stay with 12c, for the moment, move up to 30c if needed, then 200c after that.
There is no way, at this point, to know what 200c would do, or even if it would help you. Stay with 12c, for the moment, move up to 30c if needed, then 200c after that.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
'I have never heard of a patient feeling cold affecting whether they are giving dry or wet doses - where has this idea come from?'
Now you have heard from me for the first time. Strange. So you must learn a few things from others too.
This is not any idea, this is a fact that comes from skill and experience.
Believe me, down the road, once she is given a wet dose, she will feel more cold, she will have dry lips and sluggish liver. Please do not forget, she carries a bottle of water where ever she goes.
In my opinion, Sepia 12C or 30C will not do the job, it will be a waste of time. She will have to take Sepia 200C.
Now, Natrum Phos 6X is a tissue salt that helps in smoothing the stool and no interference with your single remedy. Is there any harm taking it? She needs relief ASAP.
Regards
Nawaz
Now you have heard from me for the first time. Strange. So you must learn a few things from others too.
This is not any idea, this is a fact that comes from skill and experience.
Believe me, down the road, once she is given a wet dose, she will feel more cold, she will have dry lips and sluggish liver. Please do not forget, she carries a bottle of water where ever she goes.
In my opinion, Sepia 12C or 30C will not do the job, it will be a waste of time. She will have to take Sepia 200C.
Now, Natrum Phos 6X is a tissue salt that helps in smoothing the stool and no interference with your single remedy. Is there any harm taking it? She needs relief ASAP.
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
Alright, makes sense. For 12c liquid, in how much water should I dissolve the pillule, and how often should I take a dose? If it doesn't last as long without alcohol, how long should I wait before making fresh?
brinyskysail last decade
Try to find the smallest container you can- I work with 15-25ml bottles usually.
Take the dose once a day but report after every day so that we can reassess. You must stop if your symptoms worsen (aggravation).
If you do not use alcohol, and have to make fresh doses, you will need to remember how many hits you have done with the prior dose, and start at 2 more than that. So if you make the remedy fresh, throw out the old one, put a new pillule in the water, hit the bottle a number of times equal to all the previous hits plus 2, then dose as normal.
It is certainly less complicated if there is alcohol in the bottle (1 part to 5 parts).
I cannot be sure how long exactly the remedy will remain active - I usually wait no longer than 3 days before renewing it.
Take the dose once a day but report after every day so that we can reassess. You must stop if your symptoms worsen (aggravation).
If you do not use alcohol, and have to make fresh doses, you will need to remember how many hits you have done with the prior dose, and start at 2 more than that. So if you make the remedy fresh, throw out the old one, put a new pillule in the water, hit the bottle a number of times equal to all the previous hits plus 2, then dose as normal.
It is certainly less complicated if there is alcohol in the bottle (1 part to 5 parts).
I cannot be sure how long exactly the remedy will remain active - I usually wait no longer than 3 days before renewing it.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Nawaz I am happy to assimilate new things into my understanding of homoeopathic practice, if I understand it how it fits in.
How do wet doses increase coldness in a patient? Is it just coldness they increase? Why would it produce dry lips and sluggish liver? Is it just these kinds of symptoms a wet dose would produce? Are you referring to some kind of aggravation? If it is aggravation, why would your experience be that it is more aggravating when Hahnemann and most other homoeopaths have seen the opposite? If it is not aggravation then what is this effect you have observed? What is the result of such an effect if produced and left to run its course?
More questions, if the remedy is the simillimum, why would it not cure all symptoms? Why would you need to use a second remedy when Sepia has the constipation in its picture?
I do not tend to mix treatments in patients - tissue salts are close enough to homoeopathy to creat possible interactions.I would also not mix herbs, allopathic drugs, bach flowers and so on with treatment, so that the pure effect of the first prescription can be observed. I work in a multimodality clinic and I am always clear that any patients referred to me must not be using multiple therapies before starting with me. Having said this, I never take patients off orthodox medication they clearly need to remain safe until they are well enough to do so.
Although I might also agree that 200c *could* be better suited to the strong emotional and mental components here, what is your reason for believing 12 and 30c will not help? What is your method for choosing potency?
It might be worth starting another thread where you can give cases and examples to show this new idea of yours. That way we can discuss it without taking up too much space this person needs. Dosage is of particular interest to me as I think it has been greatly neglected in favor of finding the 'right' remedy very often.
How do wet doses increase coldness in a patient? Is it just coldness they increase? Why would it produce dry lips and sluggish liver? Is it just these kinds of symptoms a wet dose would produce? Are you referring to some kind of aggravation? If it is aggravation, why would your experience be that it is more aggravating when Hahnemann and most other homoeopaths have seen the opposite? If it is not aggravation then what is this effect you have observed? What is the result of such an effect if produced and left to run its course?
More questions, if the remedy is the simillimum, why would it not cure all symptoms? Why would you need to use a second remedy when Sepia has the constipation in its picture?
I do not tend to mix treatments in patients - tissue salts are close enough to homoeopathy to creat possible interactions.I would also not mix herbs, allopathic drugs, bach flowers and so on with treatment, so that the pure effect of the first prescription can be observed. I work in a multimodality clinic and I am always clear that any patients referred to me must not be using multiple therapies before starting with me. Having said this, I never take patients off orthodox medication they clearly need to remain safe until they are well enough to do so.
Although I might also agree that 200c *could* be better suited to the strong emotional and mental components here, what is your reason for believing 12 and 30c will not help? What is your method for choosing potency?
It might be worth starting another thread where you can give cases and examples to show this new idea of yours. That way we can discuss it without taking up too much space this person needs. Dosage is of particular interest to me as I think it has been greatly neglected in favor of finding the 'right' remedy very often.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
When you say 'I am always clear that any patients referred to me must not be using multiple therapies before starting with me' are you referring to completely different treatments like allopathic medications, accupuncture, etc. or multiple homeopathic remedies at once?
brinyskysail last decade
I have seen no changes since my backache ending and feet feeling better (which was a week ago). Should I still continue first with 12c?
brinyskysail last decade
I mean all of those things. There are some things that appear not to create too many problems or too much confusion - massage mostly is ok, osteopathy seems ok. Having said that, on occasion I have seen a masseur suppress a physical manifestation of the remedy (aggravation) and reverse the positive effect. This is unusual though and perhaps may have been a unique vulnerablity of that patient.
One dose of 12c will not be enough to cure you. Especially at these low potency levels there is often a need for repeated doses. How many someone needs is highly individual. Whether a patient needs higher potencies is also highly individiual. As each dose is repeated the reaction is assessed to see what is happening, and what we should do next.
One dose of 12c will not be enough to cure you. Especially at these low potency levels there is often a need for repeated doses. How many someone needs is highly individual. Whether a patient needs higher potencies is also highly individiual. As each dose is repeated the reaction is assessed to see what is happening, and what we should do next.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
My Dear Brisbanehomoeopath,
I would like to kindly request you to let her take the Sepia 12C dose in pellets as usual as she has been taking before.
I know it is hard for you to comprehend at the moment as all things are not written in the books. It comes from skill and experience. In my opinion, she is already cold, a wet dose will make her more cold with a low BP. Then, with a low BP, sluggish liver and thirst with dry lips. Please understand this is not an aggravation. You may call anything you want, but, this is the impact or reaction I have seen in prior cases.
You are welcome to try a wet dose on a patient with fever, he/she will be OK, this will work just fine.
But, the same thing with a person already cold will put her in bed. Just try and see.
Regarding the potency selection, this is an art that starts with six groups of miasms, Syphilitic -Psoric, Psoric-Syphilitic, Psoric - Sycotic Miasm and so on...., then, a remedy slection fitting one group of miasm, then, potency selection. It is beyond the scope of this forum to discuss potency selection. May be some day. It is my own method that you will not find in any of your books.
Anyway, I agree with you to stay with Sepia 12C, then, try 30C.
Please David, this is my opinion that I am sharing, no offence or challenge to you.
Regards
Nawaz
I would like to kindly request you to let her take the Sepia 12C dose in pellets as usual as she has been taking before.
I know it is hard for you to comprehend at the moment as all things are not written in the books. It comes from skill and experience. In my opinion, she is already cold, a wet dose will make her more cold with a low BP. Then, with a low BP, sluggish liver and thirst with dry lips. Please understand this is not an aggravation. You may call anything you want, but, this is the impact or reaction I have seen in prior cases.
You are welcome to try a wet dose on a patient with fever, he/she will be OK, this will work just fine.
But, the same thing with a person already cold will put her in bed. Just try and see.
Regarding the potency selection, this is an art that starts with six groups of miasms, Syphilitic -Psoric, Psoric-Syphilitic, Psoric - Sycotic Miasm and so on...., then, a remedy slection fitting one group of miasm, then, potency selection. It is beyond the scope of this forum to discuss potency selection. May be some day. It is my own method that you will not find in any of your books.
Anyway, I agree with you to stay with Sepia 12C, then, try 30C.
Please David, this is my opinion that I am sharing, no offence or challenge to you.
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
Nawaz, it is not hard for me to comprehend what you are saying, it is just hard for me to believe it. It is completely contrary to my own experience in clinic. Only by moving from dry to wet doses did I reduce aggravation and increase the efficiency of the medicines. This parallels the experience of Hahnemann in the 5th and 6th edition of the Organon, as well as Dr. Luc Du Schepper's work on dosage.
I cannot imagine a situation where repeating a dry dose would actually be better, since you cannot adjust the potency level of the medicine when it is in pellet/pillule form. What situations would call for no adjustment of the potency level?
According to what I know to be true about a medicine selected homoeopathically, I cannot imagine anthing except a proving or suppression that would create new symptoms like low BP or 'sluggishness' of the liver. A proving would only happen if the dose were too large and repeated to frequently. Suppression would only happen if the remedy was not fully homoeopathic but only partially suitable, probably for some external symptom or pathology, and again is repeated too frequently.
Increase of the coldness, dry lips and thirst after a remedy is one possible aggravation, which is MORE likely if dry doses are used not less. An aggravation of this sort is LESS likely with the wet dose, as I have verified in practice, and as has been verified in other homoeopaths' clinics.
I am only interested in discussing the practice of homoeopathy - it is not my homoeopathy it belongs to everyone so we can all voice our ideas.
I cannot imagine a situation where repeating a dry dose would actually be better, since you cannot adjust the potency level of the medicine when it is in pellet/pillule form. What situations would call for no adjustment of the potency level?
According to what I know to be true about a medicine selected homoeopathically, I cannot imagine anthing except a proving or suppression that would create new symptoms like low BP or 'sluggishness' of the liver. A proving would only happen if the dose were too large and repeated to frequently. Suppression would only happen if the remedy was not fully homoeopathic but only partially suitable, probably for some external symptom or pathology, and again is repeated too frequently.
Increase of the coldness, dry lips and thirst after a remedy is one possible aggravation, which is MORE likely if dry doses are used not less. An aggravation of this sort is LESS likely with the wet dose, as I have verified in practice, and as has been verified in other homoeopaths' clinics.
I am only interested in discussing the practice of homoeopathy - it is not my homoeopathy it belongs to everyone so we can all voice our ideas.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Dear Brisbanehomoeopath,
I am not talking about remedy aggravation as there is no aggravation being encountered by the patient right now Or any future aggravation. She is already taking the remedy in pills form with no problems.
She is a cold body Not a hot body, therefore, pills are fine. Once she will start taking the wet dose, she will encounter additional problems unnecessarily. Here the remedy is not giving any aggravations. Just the wet dose caused some problems. Now, if she was a hot body, then, wet dose is perfect?
Let's say a person is shivering with cold, it is not a good idea to give him chilled coke with a lot of ice. A hot cup of tea would help him.
I am not discussing the repetition of the remedy or the aggravation from the remedy at all. I am just saying from my experience that a wet dose to this patient will create additional problems. Please read my remarks in the previous post as following.
'In my opinion, she is already cold, a wet dose will make her more cold with a low BP. Then, with a low BP, sluggish liver and thirst with dry lips. Please understand this is not an aggravation. You may call anything you want, but, this is the impact or reaction I have seen in prior cases.
You are welcome to try a wet dose on a patient with fever, he/she will be OK, this will work just fine.
But, the same thing with a person already cold will put her in bed. Just try and see.
'
Thanks for the professional response that is greatly appreciated. I think enough is said on the wet dose, please move forward and let me spend my time on patients in pain.
May God bless you? Please keep up the good work.
Regards
Nawaz
I am not talking about remedy aggravation as there is no aggravation being encountered by the patient right now Or any future aggravation. She is already taking the remedy in pills form with no problems.
She is a cold body Not a hot body, therefore, pills are fine. Once she will start taking the wet dose, she will encounter additional problems unnecessarily. Here the remedy is not giving any aggravations. Just the wet dose caused some problems. Now, if she was a hot body, then, wet dose is perfect?
Let's say a person is shivering with cold, it is not a good idea to give him chilled coke with a lot of ice. A hot cup of tea would help him.
I am not discussing the repetition of the remedy or the aggravation from the remedy at all. I am just saying from my experience that a wet dose to this patient will create additional problems. Please read my remarks in the previous post as following.
'In my opinion, she is already cold, a wet dose will make her more cold with a low BP. Then, with a low BP, sluggish liver and thirst with dry lips. Please understand this is not an aggravation. You may call anything you want, but, this is the impact or reaction I have seen in prior cases.
You are welcome to try a wet dose on a patient with fever, he/she will be OK, this will work just fine.
But, the same thing with a person already cold will put her in bed. Just try and see.
'
Thanks for the professional response that is greatly appreciated. I think enough is said on the wet dose, please move forward and let me spend my time on patients in pain.
May God bless you? Please keep up the good work.
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
The reason I asked if I should continue with 12c is because I have taken more than one dose of it. It's totally my fault for not saying that - looking back at what I wrote, it does definitely make it sound like I just took it once, but I kept taking it each day after that first dose. I only saw benefits after the first dose (and my feet felt better after the second day as well), but I haven't seen any improvement since then. Last Monday (the 6th) was the very first time I took Sepia. Sorry if I'm complicating/confusing things.
Last night I made the liquid and took a dose. So far today, I don't see any differences. I'm VERY tired, but I have NOT been getting enough sleep lately so it may just be lack of sleep. I also ordered 30c last night and decided to order 200c also just so I have it on hand; they should be here some time next week.
The Sepia definitely seemed to help my back and feet, but if I had not mentioned that I had already taken it, would you still have considered Sepia the best remedy for me?
Thanks
Last night I made the liquid and took a dose. So far today, I don't see any differences. I'm VERY tired, but I have NOT been getting enough sleep lately so it may just be lack of sleep. I also ordered 30c last night and decided to order 200c also just so I have it on hand; they should be here some time next week.
The Sepia definitely seemed to help my back and feet, but if I had not mentioned that I had already taken it, would you still have considered Sepia the best remedy for me?
Thanks
brinyskysail last decade
Once a person has taken a potency in a dry dose (and that too multiple times), and given enough time for the body to respond, there is no use in repeating that potency again. The disease which is left is no longer 'homeopathic' to that potency. For a centesimal potency, repeating them beyond 2-3 doses is always problematic. It is always good to increase potency gradually, and going from 12c to 30c is not a huge jump at all.
As I had earlier said, you can take a dose of 30c, by dissolving a pellet in about 250 ml water, and taking a teaspoon from there 3 times for one day only. Then give your body time to respond for about 1 week, and report back on how you feel.
You should not leave a remedy that gave benefit in a 12c (which is a fairly low potency) so soon.
If the 30c does not give benefit, only then we should think of any other remedy.
As I had earlier said, you can take a dose of 30c, by dissolving a pellet in about 250 ml water, and taking a teaspoon from there 3 times for one day only. Then give your body time to respond for about 1 week, and report back on how you feel.
You should not leave a remedy that gave benefit in a 12c (which is a fairly low potency) so soon.
If the 30c does not give benefit, only then we should think of any other remedy.
sameervermani last decade
'Last Monday (the 6th) was the very first time I took Sepia.'
Please tell me what happened that day? You are mentioning a couple of improvements, but, how about your sleep?
Did you sleep well?
Please describe your dreams, if any, on the night of 06Dec2010?
Did you feel tired on the 6th or 7th of december?
If you remember any other good feeling after the first dose, please share?
Please tell me what happened that day? You are mentioning a couple of improvements, but, how about your sleep?
Did you sleep well?
Please describe your dreams, if any, on the night of 06Dec2010?
Did you feel tired on the 6th or 7th of december?
If you remember any other good feeling after the first dose, please share?
♡ nawazkhan last decade
Yes I agree with Sameer. Knowing that you had taken multiple doses of 12c changes everything - 30c would be the next step now.
If you feel your symptoms worsen at all, stop the medicine right away. If the Tiredness is exaggerated beyond what you normally have this could be an aggravation.
If you feel your symptoms worsen at all, stop the medicine right away. If the Tiredness is exaggerated beyond what you normally have this could be an aggravation.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Is it best to take the 30c 3 times a day for one day or once a day everyday?
As for my sleep on the 6th, I did sleep well and felt rested the next day, but I also went to bed early that night. I don't recall dreaming. I took the Sepia in the late afternoon/early evening and didn't notice anything until I woke up the next day and my feet were better and my back didn't hurt any more. I also felt better mentally/emotionally that day (the 7th). On the 8th my feet felt a little better still and that was the day that my backache was completely gone, but no positive changes occurred after the 8th.
As for my sleep on the 6th, I did sleep well and felt rested the next day, but I also went to bed early that night. I don't recall dreaming. I took the Sepia in the late afternoon/early evening and didn't notice anything until I woke up the next day and my feet were better and my back didn't hurt any more. I also felt better mentally/emotionally that day (the 7th). On the 8th my feet felt a little better still and that was the day that my backache was completely gone, but no positive changes occurred after the 8th.
brinyskysail last decade
I will take the three doses to 30c today (the 17th) and report back next week. Thank you again so much for taking the time to help me!
brinyskysail last decade
Dear Brinyskysail,
Thanks for the reply. May God bless you? How are you doing?
So, you have already taken 3 wet doses of Sepia 30C today.
Please update on your current condition including constipation by the end of tomorrow, 12/18/2010.
This will really help to move forward.
Many many prayers for your good health.
Regards
Nawaz
Thanks for the reply. May God bless you? How are you doing?
So, you have already taken 3 wet doses of Sepia 30C today.
Please update on your current condition including constipation by the end of tomorrow, 12/18/2010.
This will really help to move forward.
Many many prayers for your good health.
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
Alright, I felt more human today, if that makes sense. Basically I feel less depressed, have a brighter outlook, and I have a little more feeling that I am 'in the world' instead of watching from the outside.
Constipation is the same - very bad. It is there, it is soft, but it cannot be expelled.
My salt craving was improved today, but I have read that Sepia will not crave salt. ???
I was at my parents' house for awhile, and my mom kept commenting on how much energy I seem to have.
Constipation is the same - very bad. It is there, it is soft, but it cannot be expelled.
My salt craving was improved today, but I have read that Sepia will not crave salt. ???
I was at my parents' house for awhile, and my mom kept commenting on how much energy I seem to have.
brinyskysail last decade
Great!
I am really happy to know about your improvement. Let's hope your constipation and other issues will improve day by day.
May God Bless You?
Regards
Nawaz
I am really happy to know about your improvement. Let's hope your constipation and other issues will improve day by day.
May God Bless You?
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
That is great. No aggravation so I would continue with another dose, making sure it is done the same way as a wet dose including hitting the bottle.
Sepia is included in our repertories for Desires Salt, it is in fact one of the symptoms I used to determine it would help you.
It is often surprising how effective the low potencies can be.
Sepia is included in our repertories for Desires Salt, it is in fact one of the symptoms I used to determine it would help you.
It is often surprising how effective the low potencies can be.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
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