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Hi everyone.

postman has just been and I have recieved my Seroctin, wow fast delivery so lets see from here how it goes?

I can't wait to give it a go!
monaa last decade
thank you jim...i will decrease the dosage to 3 in the a.m. and 2 in the evening for a week or so and then gradually increase. thank you for your insight and wisdom.

flowertea last decade
You are welcome, Flowertea/Melissa.

Just visited with one of my more "hard core" anxiety patients this morning. A male, aged 62, who suffers from low self confidence, ED, poor concentration, lack of initiative and anxiety and panic attacks. He started coming to me on and off about three years ago. We have worked with about five various homeopathic remedies, two of which helped him (Nux and Belladonna). There has been a gradual "softening" of his rigid attitude toward really finding a long range CURE for his problems. Remember, as an old herbalist once said, "There are no incurable diseases; just incurable patients." This guy was of the belief that natural stuff worked but it took so long and drugs were a more direct approach, even though they caused him so many physical problems (i.e., side effects.) So, for much of the last three years, I've been combatting a mind set that, I think, has prevented him from turning that corner.

Okay, so four weeks ago I encouraged him to try that Maratime Pine Plus super dooper pycnogenol to address his circulatory system and just as a great antioxidant to slow aging. (He is feeling the effects of age and hating it.) Within about six days of taking the pycnogenol, he called to say he felt a massive relief in his knee and hip pain. This made him feel as if he could do more on his farm. (He's a gentleman farmer and has not been able to get on his tractor and mower for about 18 months due to his various physical pains.) So, for the last three weeks, he's been plowing and mowing and now, planting trees and vegetables. He said that he's seeing tactile accomplishment—and feels proud that HE did it and did not have to hire it out to some kid. So, now we have a sense of PRIDE and CONFIDENCE building. Hmmm, I thought. He came back to see me less than two weeks ago to pick up another bottle of Maratime Pine Plus and I decided to just give him a bottle of Seroctin since he was still battling that edge of anxiety on a daily basis. He has also consistently tested low for serotonin and has struggled with sleep problems (tired in the early evening but restless all night long.) He figured it was a free bottle, so why not?

Well, during our visit this morning, he declared that he is feeling a distinct difference in his mind. While he cannot put his finger on it, he feels as if "the edges are getting more round" and he's willing to take more risks to find the things he wants/likes to do. Yes, there is still some anxiety there but it is more conquerable.

One thing I want to stress here is that Seroctin or anything natural that is used to calm anxiety is not meant to ERASE the feeling completely. We are not trying to create zombies. FEELING is okay. CRYING is okay. Having a depressed day is not a terrible thing. It's just when those become unmanageable and crippling that they are out of control. So, what I'm saying is that Seroctin seems to calm those edges but it still allows you to feel and have some anxious moments if they are warranted. Hey, some people NEED to feel anxious. It's their body's way of telling them that their intuitive gut is trying to tell them something! It's just being able to separate a passing moment of normal anxiety from genuine fear. It's like someone said earlier on this thread about how depressed people and anxious people are naturally more sensitive than others. I do believe this. It's why Belladonna works so beautifully for many people who "live in their heads" and "let their minds rule their actions." I don't wish to quell anyone's sensitive nature—just calm it down a bit so that they can operate in this world that is too often insensitive and callous.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Yes, I'm going to have to agree with you John. This Seroctin is working well at lessening the edginess. I'm feeling quit well. Its a wonderful product that you have brought to our attention.

I believe that is was me who said that we are extremely sensitive creatures. But maybe not! That is what has brought us into this world of anxiety. I cannot stress how important it is to for us to educate ourselves in teh subject of anxiety, panic attacks and depression. It wasn't until I started reading about it that I truly understood what it was. Through learning I have started to heal. I realized that I am creating this myself. Yes, myself! I am and have always been a negative thinker. Well when I become anxious I think to myself...oh, no I"m going to have a panic attack. Well, guess what follows, a panic attack. I brought it on myself. There are so many excellent books on the subject for any of you who are interested. Dr. Claire Weekes is considered a top expert on the subject. She has a couple of excellent books out there. Also, Lucinda Bassett has a program called "Attacking anxiety and panic" (I believe) although it is quit expensive. I have purchased it though and I am at week three. Its definitely beneficial. Again, I we need to educate ourselves so that we aren't afraid of the anxiety but accepting of it. It is then that the anxiety and panic will subside and will no longer control our life but we will control it.

Anyway, I wont ramble on anymore. Again, If I can be of any help to anyone here please just ask.

Thank you John for all the help that you have brought us in this forum. I'm loving Seroctin and your information.

Keep up the good work guys!
naydies last decade
Another thing, get OFF the caffeine. At least for now, you will be able to drink it again but not until you can settle down a bit. Our nerves are just to sensitized to be drinking it. It leads me right into high anxiety.

Just a tip!
naydies last decade
Good for you, Naydies. Excellent! I am always amazed and happy when someone tells me that they are finally recognizing that THEY are in charge of their feelings and are willing to step back, be brave and see where THEY have gotten in their own way on the healing path! If there were more people out there, Naydies, who were willing to do what you've done (see that YOU had gotten in your own way and that YOU had a habit of thinking with negative thoughts), we'd have a world full of people who shunned blame, took responsibility and became PROACTIVE toward better mental/physical health!!! What a world that would be!!! I just have to say that it's had to do all this when you are under the blanket of a drug that prevents clear thought and reason. That's why it's so difficult to help someone whose body is battling the effects of the drug and the malady. How can these people do that AND accept the responsibility for their own lives and where their choices and thoughts have brought them???
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Forgot to mention that the 62 year old male I just mentioned informed me that his ED is no longer a problem. This is a major breakthrough as it shows how connected the mind is to something like ED. All it takes is one time for a guy to not "perform" and the fear kicks in. The mind takes over and the battle starts. Before you know it, he is diagnosed with ED and taking drugs to "fix" the problem. But those drugs are not fixing his troubled mindset. Thus, calm the mind and suddenly the barrier is removed. In my patient's case, I think it's important that, because of his age, he is taking the pycnogenol which increases circulation throughout the body....includiung the genitals. Thus, there is a combo effort going on in his case. Yes, I realize this is off subject from the intended original post but his anxiety and panic attacks were certainly connected in a big way to his ED.

The mind is so powerful. Treat the mind and the body will follow.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Hi all.

well took 3 Seroctin before bed and fell asleep on the couch only to wake up at 12.00pm today wow what a sleep I then took 3 today I feel a little floaty today but I imagine its just till my body gets used to the tablets. is it normal to sleep this long? or did my body just need the rest.
monaa last decade

I don't know but I would probably guess that your body needed the rest. it didn't do that for me. I haven't been getting much sleep at all but this is due to some stressful situations that I'm dealing with right now.

The floaty feeling I definitely didn't get. Just give it some time and see how you feel.

I hope you receive some positive results from this product. It sure has calmed my nerves and I hope it just gets better.
naydies last decade

I would say that your body needed the deep and long sleep. I assume the sleep was deep? So far, with my group of five here that are on Seroctin (obviously not a broad test group), none of them have experienced that kind of sleep pattern. If you have been stressed and anxious for a long time, your body may be in a state of such tension that sleep was not restful and there were frequent awakenings? Is this correct? If so, the Seroctin MAY ( I don NOT know for certain) be helping you sleep longer to make up for the lack of rest you have had for....how long? I knew a man once years ago who never slept more than four hours a night due to a nervous demeanor. I put him on a mixture of valerian, passionflower and chamomile (a very mild mix of all) and he slept for 18 hours straight! He woke up feeling drugged and called me in a furious state to accuse me of giving him an illicit drug to get him to sleep. When I assured him that I did not give an illicit drug, he calmed down but he could not believe that a little herb had done such a thing. Frankly, I had a hard time believing it too. The only thing I could come up with is that he had not had a decent night's sleep in over 20 years. I'd say his body was due for a good long rest and his body gave it to him. It took him a few weeks of long rests before his body was happy and he transitioned eventually to 7 to 9 hours of sleep every night with the help of some herbal tablets.

Just see how your body responds over the next few days with the Seroctin. I'd take 3 in the morning and 2 at night for the time being and see how that feels. Adjust at your discretion.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Hi Jim.

Yes I have had very bad panick and anxiety for a long time, I dont sleep well at all, infact i was back to bed this afternoon I havent been able to go outside today at all felf sluggish.

Im not too bad now but still feel a little dazed at times could it be that 3 maybe too many for me to start on?

I will only take 2 tonight to see what happens, but Im worried as I have to go to the doctors on Friday and need to feel up to the journey, I have to prepare my self well in advance before I go outside.
monaa last decade

It sounds as if you allow your mind to really work you up emotionally and mentally. You are already thinking about your Friday trip to the doctor and getting worried about what you will be like. Because you are highly sensitive (both physically and emotionally), the Seroctin has a quicker and stronger effect on your body. Thus, your body has not had adequate rest for so long that it is responding naturally and GETTING that rest. Nothing wrong or odd about that. Since you are so sensitive, drop your dose down to two in the morning and two in the evening and see how that feels. Also, I encourage you to go outside and get some sunshine on your forehead to naturally increase the melatonin production from your pineal gland. Let's not forget the simple stuff! Sunshine!! I don't care if you have to drag your body outside. DO IT! Fresh air and sunshine is vital for your recovery.

I'm not saying that you are imagining what you are feeling. It's just that your mind is working overtime, isn't it, and creating more fearful thoughts and PROJECTIONS of things that have not happened yet...am I right?

You talked yourself into this. You can talk yourself out of it. Say out loud in the PRESENT TENSE, "I am doing fine. I am calm. I feel rested" or any other positive sayings that apply to your situation. Think that's all bunk? Well, look at this way: you have spent how many years telling yourself a NEGATIVE every single day of your life and you are now living the consequences of that negative thought form.

Check out Belladonna and see if you resonate with it.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Thank Jim

You are so right, my confidence took a huge blow when I fell ill, and now I just need to allow Seroctin to take its course and see and anticipate the results.

I do worry well in advance especially trips to the doctors and a meeting next week with work. You see in all my time working I have never once taken a day off work sick never and then all of a sudden I was struck with panick and agraphobia and so months on still unable to work it all happened so fast.

I will check out Belladonna

thanks once again
monaa last decade
Jim -

I also have very strong anticipatory anxiety. I sound very similar to monaa. I fret and worry about things that are planned and that I have to be to. I also have other symptoms of anxiety such as agoraphobia ( fear of certain places) and so on. I read through the Belladdonna description also. Does it help with all kinds of anxiety or just anticipatory anxiety?
naydies last decade
Belladonna is for people who LIVE in their heads/minds. People who stay awake at night overthinking the day's events and what's about to happen the next day..or next week...or next month. They think and think and think and each thought tends to give birth to two more thoughts and those give birth to more thoughts....It's never ending and when/if you can sleep, it's restless because you cannot shut off your mind. Worse, much of the thoughts are things that NEVER will happen.

Think of the Belladonna wife who has a tiff with her husband over something minor before going to bed. Maybe it concerned a comment he made about a dirty dish in the sink. Innocent. No big deal on his part but it struck her the wrong way because she is so hyper sensitive. So, she cannot sleep. The words gnaw at her. She sits up and reads. But she cannot concentrate to read because she is so upset by the words that were spoken during the tiff. She replays the tiff in her head, remembering every word that was spoken and re-FEELING every feeling she felt. By the time she's done, she is so worked up that she has blown the tiff into a full out reason to get a divorce. She storms into the bedroom where her husband is peacefully sleeping and, in a state of quick rage (another indication for Belladonna), she wakes the guy up and demands that they talk and if they don't, she's packing her bags and leaving RIGHT THEN. Oh, the drama.

This little story is loosely based on one of my female patients. She can laugh about it now but when she was experiencing it, it was NO laughing matter. I gave her Belladonna 30X on a Monday. The remedy did its thing later that day to show that it's working. I instructed her to take another 30x dose the following week on Monday and to continue to do so for four weeks in a row before stopping to let the remedy work. That was three months ago and this woman is changed. Truly. She says her mind simply cannot go to the extremes that it did three months ago. While she still has those moments of anger and sensitivity to what is said, she's not full blown nuts over it. In fact, she can readily laugh and make jokes about her behavior before and even now when something ticks her off or gets her slightly worried.

Read the "MIND" profile and generalities for Belladonna and see if it feels like you. Remember, you are a sensitive person by nature and you MUST go with what you FEEL about this remedy.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Hi Jim and naydies.

I have read up on Belladonna and i can only find information that sates it is a homeopathic remedy that may be helpful for fever, headache, colds, flu, pain, conjunctivitis, palpitations, hallucinations, tonsillitis, bronchitis, laryngitis, pharyngitis, bleeding and cholecystitis.

Im not sure if this would help me with my fret and worry about things that are planned and places I have to go to?

Is there any herbs that would benefit my negative thoughts I have come across a couple - one called AGRIMONY but not sure, I feel that Im doing great at the moment if only i could combat the negative thoughts. really get the confidence I need(which i am working on really hard)

I love the advise you have offered us all, your experience and knowledge is en-vaulauble.

Monaa :)
monaa last decade

I believe this is what Jim wants you to take a look at.

naydies last decade

Agrimony, as you're referring to it, is one of the Bach Flowers. It falls in Bach's grouping of essences that address oversensitivity to one's environment. (There's that word again...."oversensitive.")

Agrimony flower essences is for "Inner torture hidden behind a facade of cheerfulness." If this fits you, by all means, get a bottle of the essence and try it. The great thing about Bach Flowers is that if you choose the wrong remedy, there are NO side effects. It just doesn't work.

And thanks, Naydies, for directing Monaa to the correct place for Belladonna.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Also, Monaa,

Look under the heading of "SLEEP" for Belladonna. See if any of it matches your sleep pattern.

If any other homeopaths are out there reading this thread, please feel free to jump in and offer your suggestions. I'd love to hear your take.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Morning all.

Well can I just say that I have been taking Seroctin for 3 days now, so this morning I woke at 7.00 took my normal 3 tablets, and then took my Homepathic remedies, for the first time in 5 months I had no nervous stomach, no Diarrhoea, no dizzyness and I made it to the doctors safe and no attacks. The only effects I had was that my face was burning up and cold sweats. wow I cant wait for the full effects to take place I might have just found a solution to meet my needs.

After talking to the doctor well me talking and him not listening (and disreguarded herbal alternatives) he suggested that I go on to Propranolol Hydrochloride along with Dosulepin. But if this is the starting effects of Herbal with no side effects then why should I put my body through this. I really dont think that I could cope with yet more drugs and side effects.

Im so pleased that I did not panick, I was anxious and couldnt wait to get home but that is just me not used to being outdoors. Practice will make perfection. well thats my little achievent for the day.

I was so please that I came home that I then went back outside and washed the car for 20 minutes again on my own.
monaa last decade
Feeling a bit fuzzy now but it could have been due to all the adrenaline pumping through my system.

lets hope my relaxation tapes will do the trick?

thanks M
monaa last decade

Congratulations! Practice DOES make perfect. Baby steps and then bigger steps and then in 3 months you'll look back at where you were and wonder who that person was. Each layer of natural healing will build and build until you have a strong foundation to operate under. Right now, you have a good size layer that got you out of the house and washing your car. Always remember that you have a VERY ACTIVE MIND, okay? It's your mind that gets you in such emotional turmoil. You are only on Day 3 of Seroctin so it has just started to build in your system. I had a female patient, age 45, call me this morning to say that she wasn't sure if the Seroctin was working because she's not noticing any of the big changes she's heard about (she's been on it less than a week.) Then, about an hour or so later, I was at the post office and bumped into this woman's husband. He made a point of taking me aside and saying, "I want to thank you for that new stuff you gave my wife. She's not getting worked up as much as before and sleeps better." Well, I was puzzled. But you know, some of the people who are so wound up in their own anxiety-filled worlds don't tend to see the little things that are changing in their bodies and minds. You all are not just very sensitive, you are VERY hard on yourselves. You demand a lot from yourselves and when the effects may trickle instead of pour, you think "Oh, I'm not doing well enough." But even the smallest improvement is still IMPROVEMENT. It's still movement toward change, no matter how small. Before, you were just static. Now there is a step or two up the ladder. There are many ways up that ladder. You can take one step at a time or two at a time. But the point is to eventually climb the ladder...and then move onto the next one.

Monaa, what homeopathics are you taking?
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Monaa -

Congratulations! It always makes me want to tear up when I hear stories like this. I know what you're going through, I know the torment your mind goes through. When you make a major step like that you just want to rejoice! I'm so happy for you. Keep up the good work! Keep up the positive thoughts! It will only help you in the end!
naydies last decade
Hi Jim

I took advice from someone off this site and I purchased Rock Rose drops but I didnt actually use this today that is just if Im right over the edge.

I took Arsenicum album along with Gelsemium: they seem to suit my needs, and I agree with the Belladonna once I read it properly of course.

I have just had a good power nap and feel a lot better, I seem to need these little power naps from time to time.

but it refreshes me?

monaa last decade

I would choose just one homeopathic at a time. I believe in the classical approach to homeopathy which is letting one homeopathic do it's job before trying another. The only caviat to this is Nux and Sulphur (Nux in the evening and Sulphur in the morning). However, using dual remedies like that should only continue for brief periods of time.

If you are someone who is a neat freak and a CONTROL freak, then Arsenicum is for you. If you have panic attacks the the typical "stage fright" feelings (dry mouth, paralyzing sensations from fear, etc.) then Gelsenium is your remedy.

Bach's Rock Rose is a good choice. Also investigate Mimulus and Aspen Bach Flowers.
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Hi Jim

Well I have jusyt been out again for a drive in the car, everything was fine I was relaxed calm and no panick attacks, its great.

The only problem that I am having is that I get really bad heads and it make me want to come home because of it, yet i want to stay out becouse Im not habving attacks can you suggest anything?

Im a little light headed then I suffer headaches for a least 2 hours later.

I love the effects of Serectin its great for me but now I need to combat the head fuzzy feeling and Ill be on my way to recovery.

Thanks M
monaa last decade

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