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It is very difficult reading the case this way. My comments are mixed in there, along with parts of the text from the website itself. This will take me awhile - I can't just skim it, I have to sit down and focuse on it for a long stretch of time.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Would it be easier if I copied and pasted without the website text and put spaces between my comments and yours? I am not rushing you though, I just bumped it because I know you said it is easy to lose track of threads.
allicando last decade
I suppose you will not have time to follow up with my case. The boards have gotten really busy and you must be busy in your own practice. If you ever have time to read through this, please let me know. Thanks.
allicando last decade
I definitely can. I didn't get an answer though so wasn't sure that's what you wanted. Let me try now.
allicando last decade
(This is the beginning of the case taking, it began 9/25. I did not recopy my intake form and additional info as you can easily read that on page 5, this is how it continues after that).
In full disclosure, it was probably about 6 months ago that you had recommended Apis for my son on this forum, which we tried. It was my first time using homeopathy for him, and he had a big aggravation which scared me and I ended up antidoting after about a week. I was scared to try this without someone having seen him in person so I made an appt with a local homeopath, and she was the first to prescribe the Saccharum for him, but now I am not sure if it is still doing what it should, and I really appreciate your recommended dosing methods after having done some reading. He has been recommended 4 different remedies, so I think it it probably best for someone skilled with Asperger's like yourself to take (or retake, as the case may be) the case.
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-27
Apart from the Apis, has anything else been prescribed for him homoeopathically?
It is an interesting case. Can you tell me anything else he says, no matter how irrational.
If that is too hard to do off the top of your head, keep a diary for a day, write down ANYTHING he says, it does not need to make sense.
It is a well presented case generally, but I am hoping to get a look at his internal state - the reality he perceives, rather than our perception of him living in ours.
What about art - does he draw anything?
Does he ever talk about what he sees in his dreams or nightmares?
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:15:32 GMT]
In full disclosure, it was probably about 6 months ago that you had recommended Apis for my son on this forum, which we tried. It was my first time using homeopathy for him, and he had a big aggravation which scared me and I ended up antidoting after about a week. I was scared to try this without someone having seen him in person so I made an appt with a local homeopath, and she was the first to prescribe the Saccharum for him, but now I am not sure if it is still doing what it should, and I really appreciate your recommended dosing methods after having done some reading. He has been recommended 4 different remedies, so I think it it probably best for someone skilled with Asperger's like yourself to take (or retake, as the case may be) the case.
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-27
Apart from the Apis, has anything else been prescribed for him homoeopathically?
It is an interesting case. Can you tell me anything else he says, no matter how irrational.
If that is too hard to do off the top of your head, keep a diary for a day, write down ANYTHING he says, it does not need to make sense.
It is a well presented case generally, but I am hoping to get a look at his internal state - the reality he perceives, rather than our perception of him living in ours.
What about art - does he draw anything?
Does he ever talk about what he sees in his dreams or nightmares?
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:15:32 GMT]
allicando last decade
Thanks Brisbane,
He has been prescribed Saccharum Officinale 200c which helped a lot but the dry dosing method was too much and too often so we switched to another practitioner who first prescribed Calc Phos 200c liquid, which aggravated horribly for several weeks with no discernible amelioration. Then he was prescribed Phosphorus 30c liquid which didn't seem to do anything, before being again prescribed Saccharum Officinale 30c liquid. Even though this is liquid, he does seem to aggravate for about 5 days on this, and it doesn't seem to be helping as much as it did the first time around in the 200c.
The other day he was talking about the fact that his preschool class would think he was a new kid in the class since he was wearing new shoes. (He wasn't bothered by this, just seems to believe that would be true - has told me all kids look alike and he has a hard time remembering them unless they always wear the same clothes. Also plays by himself in social situations and can never remember what he did that day or who was there.)
He reverses some words all the time, like, 'Switch up it' instead of 'switch it up' and frequently makes up words for things he forgets the name of. Sometimes when we are angry with him for something he will get extremely upset and have a meltdown, saying he 'doesn't understand why this is happening'. This has seemed to happen only since the Saccharum, before that, he didn't seem to react much to time-outs.
He has recently gotten into superheroes, especially Spider Man, and he will often run around the house repeating certain phrases like, 'Super power!' 'I am the strongest ever!' 'Get the bad guys!' 'Can't get me!' 'Have to hurry, can't stop!' 'To the rescue!', etc. He will also always say, 'I can show you' and take something out of someone's hands to show them how to do something. When he is asked to do something he doesn't want to (which he usually doesn't), he will say, 'But, but...' and then tell me what he is doing instead. He will argue about it forever, doesn't seem to think that he needs to listen to me. He likes to run around in circles pretending he is a train or an airplane and making those noises, it is very hard to distract him from this. When he is having a more lucid day, he might put his arm around me and say 'You are the best mom, ever.', or 'I made you this because I love you'. :) I will add more as I observe, think of them.
He really likes to draw lately...for a while it used to just be just trains but now he has been asking us what we like and drawing flowers and houses and people. He like to explain his drawings in detail even if they are really obvious, and sometimes he labels things phonetically. He has a habit of forgetting to draw arms on his people. He has been making up games lately, like find the one that is different, and fill in the blank games for us to play, he is very creative when it comes to making up pen and paper games for us, but very rigid about the rules and will yell, 'No!' and take away the pen to show us if we are not doing it exactly as he had in mind.
He doesn't really tell us about his dreams, but he yells in his sleep a lot, mostly, 'No, no no! I don't want to!' or some variation of that...one time he was yelling about some trucks driving too fast.
He has been prescribed Saccharum Officinale 200c which helped a lot but the dry dosing method was too much and too often so we switched to another practitioner who first prescribed Calc Phos 200c liquid, which aggravated horribly for several weeks with no discernible amelioration. Then he was prescribed Phosphorus 30c liquid which didn't seem to do anything, before being again prescribed Saccharum Officinale 30c liquid. Even though this is liquid, he does seem to aggravate for about 5 days on this, and it doesn't seem to be helping as much as it did the first time around in the 200c.
The other day he was talking about the fact that his preschool class would think he was a new kid in the class since he was wearing new shoes. (He wasn't bothered by this, just seems to believe that would be true - has told me all kids look alike and he has a hard time remembering them unless they always wear the same clothes. Also plays by himself in social situations and can never remember what he did that day or who was there.)
He reverses some words all the time, like, 'Switch up it' instead of 'switch it up' and frequently makes up words for things he forgets the name of. Sometimes when we are angry with him for something he will get extremely upset and have a meltdown, saying he 'doesn't understand why this is happening'. This has seemed to happen only since the Saccharum, before that, he didn't seem to react much to time-outs.
He has recently gotten into superheroes, especially Spider Man, and he will often run around the house repeating certain phrases like, 'Super power!' 'I am the strongest ever!' 'Get the bad guys!' 'Can't get me!' 'Have to hurry, can't stop!' 'To the rescue!', etc. He will also always say, 'I can show you' and take something out of someone's hands to show them how to do something. When he is asked to do something he doesn't want to (which he usually doesn't), he will say, 'But, but...' and then tell me what he is doing instead. He will argue about it forever, doesn't seem to think that he needs to listen to me. He likes to run around in circles pretending he is a train or an airplane and making those noises, it is very hard to distract him from this. When he is having a more lucid day, he might put his arm around me and say 'You are the best mom, ever.', or 'I made you this because I love you'. :) I will add more as I observe, think of them.
He really likes to draw lately...for a while it used to just be just trains but now he has been asking us what we like and drawing flowers and houses and people. He like to explain his drawings in detail even if they are really obvious, and sometimes he labels things phonetically. He has a habit of forgetting to draw arms on his people. He has been making up games lately, like find the one that is different, and fill in the blank games for us to play, he is very creative when it comes to making up pen and paper games for us, but very rigid about the rules and will yell, 'No!' and take away the pen to show us if we are not doing it exactly as he had in mind.
He doesn't really tell us about his dreams, but he yells in his sleep a lot, mostly, 'No, no no! I don't want to!' or some variation of that...one time he was yelling about some trucks driving too fast.
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
OK that is great. Actually there is something else here that might help - can you tell me what he says when he explains his drawings in detail. Again if you can't remember exactly write it down as he says it.
One of the activities I get children to do in clinic, is to draw while I am talking to the parents, then I have the child explain everything they have drawn - I point to each bit and say 'what is this' and write down every thing they say especially when it is surprising (like they point to a flower and say that is a monster).
OK that is great. Actually there is something else here that might help - can you tell me what he says when he explains his drawings in detail. Again if you can't remember exactly write it down as he says it.
One of the activities I get children to do in clinic, is to draw while I am talking to the parents, then I have the child explain everything they have drawn - I point to each bit and say 'what is this' and write down every thing they say especially when it is surprising (like they point to a flower and say that is a monster).
allicando last decade
He is very detailed about it, like, 'This line here is the sky, these lines are the blades of grass, this is the house, this is the window, this is the garage...' etc. He HAS to explain it all to me. He doesn't really say things are different than they are, although he may use or make up a different word if he can't remember the correct one. But not purposely calling things by different names.
I forgot to mention, the first time we gave the Saccharum in 30c liquid he ended up getting a fever that went up to 103.8 3 days later, I was told this was positive since he had never had a fever that high ever and usually doesn't get them.
I forgot to mention, the first time we gave the Saccharum in 30c liquid he ended up getting a fever that went up to 103.8 3 days later, I was told this was positive since he had never had a fever that high ever and usually doesn't get them.
allicando last decade
Actually before you go to all that trouble, let me explore a few things I may not have before. Questions to follow.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
So he just sticks to the facts - no imaginary connections for him? Intersting - that actually suggests his potency level may be 30c.
High fever is only a good sign if it is followed by marked improvement. Did that happen?
Oh can I get you to do something - can you point to a picture where people have no arms, and ask him about that - not why, just say 'what's this' or 'where are the arms' - try a few questions if it doesn't upset him too much.
What do people look like to you when he draws them that way (apart from people with no arms lol).
I want to be really careful with him considering what has happened before, and I want to be as confident as possible when making a choice of remedy. It is a *really* interesting case though.
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:19:40 GMT]
So he just sticks to the facts - no imaginary connections for him? Intersting - that actually suggests his potency level may be 30c.
High fever is only a good sign if it is followed by marked improvement. Did that happen?
Oh can I get you to do something - can you point to a picture where people have no arms, and ask him about that - not why, just say 'what's this' or 'where are the arms' - try a few questions if it doesn't upset him too much.
What do people look like to you when he draws them that way (apart from people with no arms lol).
I want to be really careful with him considering what has happened before, and I want to be as confident as possible when making a choice of remedy. It is a *really* interesting case though.
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:19:40 GMT]
allicando last decade
It is hard to tell...he still seemed to aggravate slightly for around 5 days and did seem to improve somewhat...I actually didn't dose him again for almost another 2 weeks. Every time I thought he was for sure regressing, I waited another day just to be sure and he seemed to level out. But not HUGE improvements like we initally noticed with the 200c (although that was concurrent with some aggravation of other symptoms like clinginess and mouthing things as well).
He doesn't really seem to imagine much, he can't tell a story (that I have heard), unless he is repeated it, and yes, he is very fact-oriented. He can read already (taught himself from a kid's website) and prefers factual books that he will read out loud to me and later tell me about the facts he has read.
When he gets mad, he scowls and yells, 'No!' or 'I WILL NOT do that!' etc. This is usually in a sudden situation where he feels anxious or off-balance. If we ask him to do something he doesn't want to do, he usually just ignores us (intentionally or not, it is hard to tell) and runs around doing other things, or tries to make a case by telling us why he can't.
He doesn't really seem to imagine much, he can't tell a story (that I have heard), unless he is repeated it, and yes, he is very fact-oriented. He can read already (taught himself from a kid's website) and prefers factual books that he will read out loud to me and later tell me about the facts he has read.
When he gets mad, he scowls and yells, 'No!' or 'I WILL NOT do that!' etc. This is usually in a sudden situation where he feels anxious or off-balance. If we ask him to do something he doesn't want to do, he usually just ignores us (intentionally or not, it is hard to tell) and runs around doing other things, or tries to make a case by telling us why he can't.
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
One more thing - is it just children he cannot recognize, or adults as well?
How is he at recognizing animals?
Does he ever talk about faces? What does he describe about them? Doe he draw them?
Yes his potency level is definitely around 12-30c. I think that whatever remedy I decide on, we will stick to that level. As his ability to express himself expands, we may need to go up in potency.
One more thing - is it just children he cannot recognize, or adults as well?
How is he at recognizing animals?
Does he ever talk about faces? What does he describe about them? Doe he draw them?
Yes his potency level is definitely around 12-30c. I think that whatever remedy I decide on, we will stick to that level. As his ability to express himself expands, we may need to go up in potency.
allicando last decade
I have pointed out to him before that the people he has drawn have no arms, and he either laughs or says 'oh' or 'oops' and draws the arms on. It usually doesn't upset him. But in general asking him about a picture of people or talking about people (like asking him about kids in his class) DOES sort of upset him depending on his mood, this morning he just said,
'Let's not talk about that, let's talk about something else.'
The people he draws otherwise look like people to me (and he doesn't always forget the arms now that I have reminded him a bunch of times, he just tends to). The boys have square bodies with stick legs and arms and a neck and round face with eyes, nose, and a smile. The girls look the same except have triangle bodies like they are wearing a dress. He usually only draws his Daddy and I or his Grandma who we live with (even though I almost never wear skirts ;) He once drew our whole family including the dog and left himself out of it. When I asked him he just said he drew the picture for us and ran out of room to put himself in it.
Yes, he draws faces on his people, usually just the typical eyes, nose and mouth. He doesn't usually talk about faces, although he will occasionally ask one of us why we made a certain face or why a drawing in a book is making that face.
I think he is probably similar with adult faces, be he does tend to attach himself to adults more readily and he knows those he is comfortable with, like his teacher.
Not sure about animals, he seems more comfortable with animals, not sure he recognizes what dog is who when he sees them walking or anything, but he knows our dog and cat and can tell different types of animals and other dogs that are the same kind as our dog.
It is interesting that you think he might need 12-30c. I have never heard of those potentcies being used in a chronic case. I am curious as to what reason you think we should start there?
And yes, he is pretty complex, I imagine he is difficult to prescribe for...I have never met a single kid like him...even without the ASD symptoms..lol!
I should probably add that since a young age, one of the things he does the isn't really typical of ASD is say things like, 'You hurt my feelings' 'That is making me sad' - these are only when told no...or 'I am REALLY angry right now'. He seems to verbally be able to express his emotions to a degree, but he is in no way able to control them or self-soothe. And he can't really read them in others unless someone is crying and he won't notice if someone is really crying unless it is someone he is close to like me. (The Saccharum did help in emotional expression though).
Also not sure if I mentioned it, but he has had finger and toe cramps lately (for past several months but more often in last couple weeks), could be growing pains or some sort of mineral deficiency... Sometimes it wakes him up.
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:24:58 GMT]
'Let's not talk about that, let's talk about something else.'
The people he draws otherwise look like people to me (and he doesn't always forget the arms now that I have reminded him a bunch of times, he just tends to). The boys have square bodies with stick legs and arms and a neck and round face with eyes, nose, and a smile. The girls look the same except have triangle bodies like they are wearing a dress. He usually only draws his Daddy and I or his Grandma who we live with (even though I almost never wear skirts ;) He once drew our whole family including the dog and left himself out of it. When I asked him he just said he drew the picture for us and ran out of room to put himself in it.
Yes, he draws faces on his people, usually just the typical eyes, nose and mouth. He doesn't usually talk about faces, although he will occasionally ask one of us why we made a certain face or why a drawing in a book is making that face.
I think he is probably similar with adult faces, be he does tend to attach himself to adults more readily and he knows those he is comfortable with, like his teacher.
Not sure about animals, he seems more comfortable with animals, not sure he recognizes what dog is who when he sees them walking or anything, but he knows our dog and cat and can tell different types of animals and other dogs that are the same kind as our dog.
It is interesting that you think he might need 12-30c. I have never heard of those potentcies being used in a chronic case. I am curious as to what reason you think we should start there?
And yes, he is pretty complex, I imagine he is difficult to prescribe for...I have never met a single kid like him...even without the ASD symptoms..lol!
I should probably add that since a young age, one of the things he does the isn't really typical of ASD is say things like, 'You hurt my feelings' 'That is making me sad' - these are only when told no...or 'I am REALLY angry right now'. He seems to verbally be able to express his emotions to a degree, but he is in no way able to control them or self-soothe. And he can't really read them in others unless someone is crying and he won't notice if someone is really crying unless it is someone he is close to like me. (The Saccharum did help in emotional expression though).
Also not sure if I mentioned it, but he has had finger and toe cramps lately (for past several months but more often in last couple weeks), could be growing pains or some sort of mineral deficiency... Sometimes it wakes him up.
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:24:58 GMT]
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
Potency is more appropriately chosen because of how the disease is expressed in the patient. Whenever you question a patient, they will naturally come back a particular expression point, a way of describing their symptoms that is consistent throughout the case taking.
Under 12c is used when the disease is expressed as common pathology, broad general symptoms that are common to the disease itself or to diseases in general. Such a patient will just talk about the pathology they have, giving nothing but common expected symptoms. They will not be able to give you many sensations, and will remain entirely at a level where the disease itself lies (only talking about the location affected, talking about doctors reports, talking about popular opinions about the disease etc).
12-30c is used when the patient expresses their state in terms of facts - little emotional expression and little imagination. They tell their story with hardly any embellishment. They relate a story that tends to stick pretty much to what happens, in a particular order.
At 12c the person may have trouble describing any sensations they have or even giving much in terms of distinguishing features of their symptoms. They may just give names like 'headache' 'gut pain' 'cramps' and so on.
At 30c they may describe their symptoms more easily, may be able to tell you that their head pain is worse for movement or is better when the sun sets, but they still stick to the facts and go no deeper.
200c is used when the patient expresses their disease in terms of sensitivity, feelings, emotions. Everything comes back to how they feel about the problem, the events in their life. They are very in tune with what they are feeling, they freely associate everything in their life with emotional responses. 'I am moved to tears when...' 'My anger rises...' 'I get so upset when...' 'All I feel is great sadness....'.
1M is used when the patient expresses their disease at the level of imagination. They relate their problems with imaginary stories, analogies, parables. They tend to describe their symptoms in terms of fantasy situations 'as if someone is chasing me' 'as if I am going to be stabbed in the back' 'like God has a grudge against me and is punishing me'. They clearly express a 'delusional' state in which they exist on a daily basis.
10M is used when the patient clearly expresses the Sensation in the case - they speak in the language of the Kingdom, the Group and the direct Source of their remedy. There is often a lot of gestures, lots of strange language that is does not have a direct connection to their problem. The patient is expressing the qualities of the substance from which their remedy is made. 'My head feels like it is made of a green wavy film' 'I jump at him with speed and spear him through the chest with my words' ' I feel like I am losing bits of myself and they are being snatched up by passers by'.
Potency is more appropriately chosen because of how the disease is expressed in the patient. Whenever you question a patient, they will naturally come back a particular expression point, a way of describing their symptoms that is consistent throughout the case taking.
Under 12c is used when the disease is expressed as common pathology, broad general symptoms that are common to the disease itself or to diseases in general. Such a patient will just talk about the pathology they have, giving nothing but common expected symptoms. They will not be able to give you many sensations, and will remain entirely at a level where the disease itself lies (only talking about the location affected, talking about doctors reports, talking about popular opinions about the disease etc).
12-30c is used when the patient expresses their state in terms of facts - little emotional expression and little imagination. They tell their story with hardly any embellishment. They relate a story that tends to stick pretty much to what happens, in a particular order.
At 12c the person may have trouble describing any sensations they have or even giving much in terms of distinguishing features of their symptoms. They may just give names like 'headache' 'gut pain' 'cramps' and so on.
At 30c they may describe their symptoms more easily, may be able to tell you that their head pain is worse for movement or is better when the sun sets, but they still stick to the facts and go no deeper.
200c is used when the patient expresses their disease in terms of sensitivity, feelings, emotions. Everything comes back to how they feel about the problem, the events in their life. They are very in tune with what they are feeling, they freely associate everything in their life with emotional responses. 'I am moved to tears when...' 'My anger rises...' 'I get so upset when...' 'All I feel is great sadness....'.
1M is used when the patient expresses their disease at the level of imagination. They relate their problems with imaginary stories, analogies, parables. They tend to describe their symptoms in terms of fantasy situations 'as if someone is chasing me' 'as if I am going to be stabbed in the back' 'like God has a grudge against me and is punishing me'. They clearly express a 'delusional' state in which they exist on a daily basis.
10M is used when the patient clearly expresses the Sensation in the case - they speak in the language of the Kingdom, the Group and the direct Source of their remedy. There is often a lot of gestures, lots of strange language that is does not have a direct connection to their problem. The patient is expressing the qualities of the substance from which their remedy is made. 'My head feels like it is made of a green wavy film' 'I jump at him with speed and spear him through the chest with my words' ' I feel like I am losing bits of myself and they are being snatched up by passers by'.
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
Alright I have spent quite a bit of time going over this. I believe that the remedy we should consider first is Cuprum metallicum.
There are a lot of symptoms in this remedy that are reflected in your son's behaviour.
Probably the main thing that lead me to it was the rigid, controlling, almost ritualistic behaviour. There is a strong need to control everything in Cuprum, and paradoxically a complete lack of control in themselves. Their feelings come out in spasms, just as they experience cramps and spasms in their bodies. Uncontrollable anger is a well known problem for Cuprum children.
These are relevent symptoms taken out of our repertories. I have marked the ones I think are particularly intersting when considering your son's behaviour
Anger, temper tantrums
Answer, aversion to answering questions
Answers incoherently
Antics, plays
Anxiety when alone
Anxiety in bed, in spasms, after fright
*Aversion to change*
Cautious
Censorious and Critical
Compulsive disorders
Concentration difficult
Conscientious about trifles
Consolation aggravates
Contradict, disposition to
Contrary
Dictatorial, talks with an air of command
Discouraged easily
Fanaticism
*Fear, must tread lightly or he will injure himself*
Fear of accidents
Foolish behaviour in children
Haughty
Hurry, haste, general; while eating
Impulsive
Insolence
Kicks, when carried becomes stiff
Laughing hysterical;immoderately
Loquacity; when excited
Mildness alternating with obstinacy
*Mistakes, makes, talking using wrong words*
Monomania
Obstinate and headstrong, alternating with mildness
Offended easily
Passionate
Quarrelsome
Rage with shrieking
Restlessness, tossing about in bed
Restlessness driving him from place to place
*Restlessness must move constantly*
*Rigidity*
Runs about
Sensitive, oversensitive to pain
Shrieking, screaming, shouting; in children
Talks, wandering
Thoughts vanishing, loss of
Thoughts wandering
Weeping tearful mood after slight emotions
Weeping aloud
Impatient
Clumsy
Stammering
*Talks in too loud, inappropriately*
My suggestion would be Cuprum metallicum 30c.
Alright I have spent quite a bit of time going over this. I believe that the remedy we should consider first is Cuprum metallicum.
There are a lot of symptoms in this remedy that are reflected in your son's behaviour.
Probably the main thing that lead me to it was the rigid, controlling, almost ritualistic behaviour. There is a strong need to control everything in Cuprum, and paradoxically a complete lack of control in themselves. Their feelings come out in spasms, just as they experience cramps and spasms in their bodies. Uncontrollable anger is a well known problem for Cuprum children.
These are relevent symptoms taken out of our repertories. I have marked the ones I think are particularly intersting when considering your son's behaviour
Anger, temper tantrums
Answer, aversion to answering questions
Answers incoherently
Antics, plays
Anxiety when alone
Anxiety in bed, in spasms, after fright
*Aversion to change*
Cautious
Censorious and Critical
Compulsive disorders
Concentration difficult
Conscientious about trifles
Consolation aggravates
Contradict, disposition to
Contrary
Dictatorial, talks with an air of command
Discouraged easily
Fanaticism
*Fear, must tread lightly or he will injure himself*
Fear of accidents
Foolish behaviour in children
Haughty
Hurry, haste, general; while eating
Impulsive
Insolence
Kicks, when carried becomes stiff
Laughing hysterical;immoderately
Loquacity; when excited
Mildness alternating with obstinacy
*Mistakes, makes, talking using wrong words*
Monomania
Obstinate and headstrong, alternating with mildness
Offended easily
Passionate
Quarrelsome
Rage with shrieking
Restlessness, tossing about in bed
Restlessness driving him from place to place
*Restlessness must move constantly*
*Rigidity*
Runs about
Sensitive, oversensitive to pain
Shrieking, screaming, shouting; in children
Talks, wandering
Thoughts vanishing, loss of
Thoughts wandering
Weeping tearful mood after slight emotions
Weeping aloud
Impatient
Clumsy
Stammering
*Talks in too loud, inappropriately*
My suggestion would be Cuprum metallicum 30c.
allicando last decade
Wow interesting, thank you! My first thought would have been it sounds harsher than he is because he is not violent in nature, but I just came back from a teacher's conference and the teacher was very concerned about his ridigity, aversion to change, anxiety, and argumentativeness. I wonder if these children are also whiny. I will order it and then how should I prepare it?
Also, should I be concerned in case he already has too much copper? I don't know if he does, but knowing my background and all it is a distinct possibility. This may be helpful to him in that case though, I don't know. Thanks!
Also, should I be concerned in case he already has too much copper? I don't know if he does, but knowing my background and all it is a distinct possibility. This may be helpful to him in that case though, I don't know. Thanks!
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
The violence comes out more in his emotional reactions, his screaming, his tantrums - violence doesn't have to be violence to others, but a powerful excessive reaction of any type.
Dissolve 2 pillules into a small bottle with 5 parts water and 1 part alcohol in it. You can use medicinal alcohol or brandy or vodka. Make sure the bottle has a dropper.
Hit the bottle firmly twice against the palm of the hand. Place 1 drop into a full cup of water, stir thoroughly, and give him 1 teaspoon.
Do this once only to begin with while we assess his response.
The violence comes out more in his emotional reactions, his screaming, his tantrums - violence doesn't have to be violence to others, but a powerful excessive reaction of any type.
Dissolve 2 pillules into a small bottle with 5 parts water and 1 part alcohol in it. You can use medicinal alcohol or brandy or vodka. Make sure the bottle has a dropper.
Hit the bottle firmly twice against the palm of the hand. Place 1 drop into a full cup of water, stir thoroughly, and give him 1 teaspoon.
Do this once only to begin with while we assess his response.
allicando last decade
Ok thank you! I will let you know when I have it in and give it to him.
I was told before to give him Saccharum 6c daily even when prescribed a different constitutional, as this would help with gut issues? Is this true and would this counteract the constitutional? (I know it doesn't hurt him but didn't know if this was good advice or not...a homeopath told us this a while ago and I have it on hand - I have heard of another ASD mom being told this same thing.)
I was told before to give him Saccharum 6c daily even when prescribed a different constitutional, as this would help with gut issues? Is this true and would this counteract the constitutional? (I know it doesn't hurt him but didn't know if this was good advice or not...a homeopath told us this a while ago and I have it on hand - I have heard of another ASD mom being told this same thing.)
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-09-28
It is not advisable to use two or more remedies at once. He cannot be both Sacchrum and Cuprum - so one must be wrong. A wrong remedy will produce side effects eventually, and that will confuse what the correct remedy is doing.
That advice is not in keeping with homoeopathic philosophy, so I would avoid doing it. The simillimum will cure all complaints, and does not need extra remedies to 'help it along'. That only happens when someone cannot find the best remedy, and is stuck using what we call 'partial similars'.
If something does not cure, then a better remedy needs to be found, rather than resorting to going against our guidelines (in my opinion anyway).
It is not advisable to use two or more remedies at once. He cannot be both Sacchrum and Cuprum - so one must be wrong. A wrong remedy will produce side effects eventually, and that will confuse what the correct remedy is doing.
That advice is not in keeping with homoeopathic philosophy, so I would avoid doing it. The simillimum will cure all complaints, and does not need extra remedies to 'help it along'. That only happens when someone cannot find the best remedy, and is stuck using what we call 'partial similars'.
If something does not cure, then a better remedy needs to be found, rather than resorting to going against our guidelines (in my opinion anyway).
allicando last decade
Ok the remedy finally arrived today. My son had a fever last night that reached 102.2 (he has never gotten fevers before homeopathy so I think this is a good sign), and now he has a bit of a cold with stuffy nose. I'm not sure if I should dose him now or wait until he is over the cold.
Btw, thank you for your help in my other thread.
Btw, thank you for your help in my other thread.
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-10-11
Fevers are a good sign if rare, not if common.
Just give him a dose now. It will either help or do nothing.
Fevers are a good sign if rare, not if common.
Just give him a dose now. It will either help or do nothing.
allicando last decade
2011-10-12
As I stated in my other thread, I gave the remedy last night and today he has seemed to react very positively to it, with no aggravation that I can see! He was more interactive today and responsive - no screaming from pains, and generally cheerful! Good so far!
2011-10-15
Ok, I think that over the last few days he has been more interactive, asking us more questions about US instead of just about things he wants to know about...more engaged...less screaming and no muscle cramping...less OCD and rigidity!
However, his hyperactivity has been through the roof and his teachers have talked to me about it several times this week saying it is not like him. I really rather think it is a side effect of the oral vitamin methyl B12 we started giving him last week, and I am going to start giving less and see how that goes. He has also been stimming more (most of his stims are hyperactivity, like running around in circles, jumping, making noises, etc), but his teacher said he's been doing it with his hands too. I think this is also a sign of the B12, since I have never seen him do this during an aggravation (or the hand thing ever, really.)
Mood has been much better and overall our interactions have been much more positive. He still wakes early but has not had a night terror since I gave him the remedy!
2011-10-15
Starting to not be quite as reponsive though...not looking at you as much when you speak to him and instead more looking down and being distracted by things...like a toy, the buttons on a shirt, etc. Also slightly more likely to say, 'No, no!' and interrupt or correct you, or frown about something. It's not a dramatic backslide, but enough to wonder if we're getting towards the time I should redose again. I am wondering if the WHOLE symptom picture has to come back comepletely, or I can just see the downward trend before I need to redose. This part has always confused me. If I know he is regressing, but hasn't completely hit the 'bottom' yet, if you will, can I redose him then or do I have to wait? And when redosing how should I change it? Thanks!
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:35:24 GMT]
As I stated in my other thread, I gave the remedy last night and today he has seemed to react very positively to it, with no aggravation that I can see! He was more interactive today and responsive - no screaming from pains, and generally cheerful! Good so far!
2011-10-15
Ok, I think that over the last few days he has been more interactive, asking us more questions about US instead of just about things he wants to know about...more engaged...less screaming and no muscle cramping...less OCD and rigidity!
However, his hyperactivity has been through the roof and his teachers have talked to me about it several times this week saying it is not like him. I really rather think it is a side effect of the oral vitamin methyl B12 we started giving him last week, and I am going to start giving less and see how that goes. He has also been stimming more (most of his stims are hyperactivity, like running around in circles, jumping, making noises, etc), but his teacher said he's been doing it with his hands too. I think this is also a sign of the B12, since I have never seen him do this during an aggravation (or the hand thing ever, really.)
Mood has been much better and overall our interactions have been much more positive. He still wakes early but has not had a night terror since I gave him the remedy!
2011-10-15
Starting to not be quite as reponsive though...not looking at you as much when you speak to him and instead more looking down and being distracted by things...like a toy, the buttons on a shirt, etc. Also slightly more likely to say, 'No, no!' and interrupt or correct you, or frown about something. It's not a dramatic backslide, but enough to wonder if we're getting towards the time I should redose again. I am wondering if the WHOLE symptom picture has to come back comepletely, or I can just see the downward trend before I need to redose. This part has always confused me. If I know he is regressing, but hasn't completely hit the 'bottom' yet, if you will, can I redose him then or do I have to wait? And when redosing how should I change it? Thanks!
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 23 Jan 2012 02:35:24 GMT]
allicando last decade
From brisbanehomoeopath on 2011-10-16
Repeat the remedy, once only. Relapse does not have to be complete to redose, and in fact is of no benefit to the patient to wait that long. It just has to be marked and persistent.
No change to the redose as yet, just give him one more dose and let's see what the response is.
You should probably get hold of 200c as well.
Repeat the remedy, once only. Relapse does not have to be complete to redose, and in fact is of no benefit to the patient to wait that long. It just has to be marked and persistent.
No change to the redose as yet, just give him one more dose and let's see what the response is.
You should probably get hold of 200c as well.
allicando last decade
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