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Hi Astra
Stop kidding.There is nothing like Murthy's method.
I frankly think you are getting overexcited about the air refreshener.
I will need more instances,and more positive proof that it really antidoted Ars.
Yes,strong odors are harmful to the extant that they antidote the medicine,in the very act of taking,but exposure to odors,after a day or two..i am not sure.
I am not discouraging your idea,but there could be other reasons,why Ars.stopped working.
Murthy
Stop kidding.There is nothing like Murthy's method.
I frankly think you are getting overexcited about the air refreshener.
I will need more instances,and more positive proof that it really antidoted Ars.
Yes,strong odors are harmful to the extant that they antidote the medicine,in the very act of taking,but exposure to odors,after a day or two..i am not sure.
I am not discouraging your idea,but there could be other reasons,why Ars.stopped working.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
What else could do it?
(could it be that he drank a cup of coffee? no.. let's don't think the worst.)
next time when air freshener was gone-ars worked ok.
could air freshener contain camphor?(I don't have any-hate them)
(could it be that he drank a cup of coffee? no.. let's don't think the worst.)
next time when air freshener was gone-ars worked ok.
could air freshener contain camphor?(I don't have any-hate them)
Astra2012 last decade
I am not ruling out that the air freshener could have antidoted the medicine.
It is a definite possibility.
But,we can't confirm it unless we experience the same problem in few more cases.
Other possibility is the natural ups and downs of the disease,even when he is on correct medicine.
The cure can't be like a straight line graph,and we have to expect these ups and downs.
That is why it is said to wait atleast for a week,to judge about the action of the medicine.
Murthy
It is a definite possibility.
But,we can't confirm it unless we experience the same problem in few more cases.
Other possibility is the natural ups and downs of the disease,even when he is on correct medicine.
The cure can't be like a straight line graph,and we have to expect these ups and downs.
That is why it is said to wait atleast for a week,to judge about the action of the medicine.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Astra2012 last decade
Astra am interested in as many as i can go to. so please give me a few urls. this is a subject i am very interested in since my late doctor encouraged me.
maya_hari last decade
Astra
Merisel is again worse.I told him to repeat Ars.one dose.
If it relieves him again,we have to either to put him on plussed doses,or up the potency.
Murthy
Merisel is again worse.I told him to repeat Ars.one dose.
If it relieves him again,we have to either to put him on plussed doses,or up the potency.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Pankaj and Magicure
I am sure you will see this thread.Astra seems to be away.
I have again repertised the case.
Nux.v and Lyc are coming up very strong,particularly if you add the fear of failure.
Ars.is also a strong contender.
But,given his relief from Stool,worse pressure,better hot applications,worse on waking,right side,backache,less thirst,Nux.v is coming up very strong.The backache is not prominent in Ars.Ars.doesn't have the fear of failure.
Pl.let me know your opinions.
Magicure
It looks like your suggestion of Nux.V is worth a try,and thanks for the same.Pl.keep thinking what could be the next med.in case Nux.also fails to relieve.
Pankaj
What are your views.
Murthy
I am sure you will see this thread.Astra seems to be away.
I have again repertised the case.
Nux.v and Lyc are coming up very strong,particularly if you add the fear of failure.
Ars.is also a strong contender.
But,given his relief from Stool,worse pressure,better hot applications,worse on waking,right side,backache,less thirst,Nux.v is coming up very strong.The backache is not prominent in Ars.Ars.doesn't have the fear of failure.
Pl.let me know your opinions.
Magicure
It looks like your suggestion of Nux.V is worth a try,and thanks for the same.Pl.keep thinking what could be the next med.in case Nux.also fails to relieve.
Pankaj
What are your views.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hello Murthy,
I'm back and... leaving again in few days (fri evening).]
Seems the course is right in "adrenals". What do you think ars did-suppresed?
I wish I could understand that whole thing-like in biology - everything can be explained and understood so easily.
I'm not taking any new cases here this year as I'm going to be out a lot (holidays,b-days and so called "family affairs) Instead I will just leave my posts here and there.
(not to mention I've got some new books from r Aggarwal in New Delhi!)
btw the water therapy would help almost everyone here!
I'm back and... leaving again in few days (fri evening).]
Seems the course is right in "adrenals". What do you think ars did-suppresed?
I wish I could understand that whole thing-like in biology - everything can be explained and understood so easily.
I'm not taking any new cases here this year as I'm going to be out a lot (holidays,b-days and so called "family affairs) Instead I will just leave my posts here and there.
(not to mention I've got some new books from r Aggarwal in New Delhi!)
btw the water therapy would help almost everyone here!
Astra2012 last decade
Hello murthy,
Read this thread today.
Thanks for considering Nux.
Is Merisel still taking Flax seeds ? that can cloud the picture.
I am happy for him that his complaints are improving.
Now bloatedness needs to be taken care of. And Nux definitely needs to be complemented. (I think we should try it in higher potency before complementing its action )
The very first remedy I thought of was Sulphur,as it completes the action of Nux in ALL the complaints,but I shall confirm it ...
Kali carb ... well , seems a good remedy to consider.
Shall get back to you.
Regards...
Read this thread today.
Thanks for considering Nux.
Is Merisel still taking Flax seeds ? that can cloud the picture.
I am happy for him that his complaints are improving.
Now bloatedness needs to be taken care of. And Nux definitely needs to be complemented. (I think we should try it in higher potency before complementing its action )
The very first remedy I thought of was Sulphur,as it completes the action of Nux in ALL the complaints,but I shall confirm it ...
Kali carb ... well , seems a good remedy to consider.
Shall get back to you.
Regards...
magicure last decade
Astra and Magicure
Welcome back.Looks like Ars.is only partially indicated.They just palliate and then can't help further.
I feel he is more a Kali carb type.I have read again and again in many materia medicas about kali carb,and the essence is matching.
More over,kali carb and Nux.v are complimentary,to each other,and will work togethe without spoiling the action of one another.
Vithoulkus says we can't think of Kali carb,without thinking of Nux.V.They are so close,and so complimentary.
His constant bloatedness is making me to think of trying Kali carb after a few days of gap.
We can always go back to Nux in higher potency,if required.
Though Sulphur is a good choice in many cases,after Nux.v,and vice versa,I would like to see some sulphur symptoms before considering it.
Flax seed,is a natural food,and helps to create bulk,which I feel is good for constipated people.
Let us see.
Yes,Astra,water therapy is an excellant method to get rid of constipation.Once the constipation problem is tackled,many issues get resolved on their own.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Murthy
Welcome back.Looks like Ars.is only partially indicated.They just palliate and then can't help further.
I feel he is more a Kali carb type.I have read again and again in many materia medicas about kali carb,and the essence is matching.
More over,kali carb and Nux.v are complimentary,to each other,and will work togethe without spoiling the action of one another.
Vithoulkus says we can't think of Kali carb,without thinking of Nux.V.They are so close,and so complimentary.
His constant bloatedness is making me to think of trying Kali carb after a few days of gap.
We can always go back to Nux in higher potency,if required.
Though Sulphur is a good choice in many cases,after Nux.v,and vice versa,I would like to see some sulphur symptoms before considering it.
Flax seed,is a natural food,and helps to create bulk,which I feel is good for constipated people.
Let us see.
Yes,Astra,water therapy is an excellant method to get rid of constipation.Once the constipation problem is tackled,many issues get resolved on their own.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Astra
I got abdur Rehman's Remedy Relationships.
How did you think of parting with it?It is excellent.
It is a sort of repertory also,if you understand the concept of collaterals.
If the chosen remedy fails,you just look into the collaterals,to select a more appropriate remedy.
Never part with books.They are to be treasured.
Murthy
I got abdur Rehman's Remedy Relationships.
How did you think of parting with it?It is excellent.
It is a sort of repertory also,if you understand the concept of collaterals.
If the chosen remedy fails,you just look into the collaterals,to select a more appropriate remedy.
Never part with books.They are to be treasured.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
The point was I promised someone (and I think you even know whom) and didn't have much time to copy over 300 pages!Someone finished copying for me and sent it-and of course did everytrhing wrong! (I worry-but only when I think about it).
dr Day said we need 10 glasses of water every day! It's impossible for me yet-I'm at 6. But it is so simple and so beneficial!
dr Day said we need 10 glasses of water every day! It's impossible for me yet-I'm at 6. But it is so simple and so beneficial!
Astra2012 last decade
Murthy: how did you know ars is palliative (the same as supressing)?
(btw accord to Murphy it has a back pain,it doesn't have fear of failure-instead it has fear that everything can happen---I just want to understand what happened)
The second dose seemed to work and then the third didn't work at all!
(btw accord to Murphy it has a back pain,it doesn't have fear of failure-instead it has fear that everything can happen---I just want to understand what happened)
The second dose seemed to work and then the third didn't work at all!
Astra2012 last decade
Astra2012 last decade
Hello Murthy,
yes , Kali Carb seems to be ok , and Sulphur should also be kept in mind.
I think it would be a great idea if we ask him to narrate all his CURRENT complaints again. I mean , his mentals as well as as physicals. (including sleep dreams etc)
This can help us a lot. We will know the exact current picture and then we can decide.
From his last post , it seems he has some tensions in his family. How much is he affected by these matters ? I think he has mentioned sometime back that he shares extremely good relationship with his wife. What about other family members? kids? attachment ?is he anxious and worried a lot about his dependents?
If yes, then this sure is a Kali feature.
Lets confirm a few more things again before deciding.
yes , Kali Carb seems to be ok , and Sulphur should also be kept in mind.
I think it would be a great idea if we ask him to narrate all his CURRENT complaints again. I mean , his mentals as well as as physicals. (including sleep dreams etc)
This can help us a lot. We will know the exact current picture and then we can decide.
From his last post , it seems he has some tensions in his family. How much is he affected by these matters ? I think he has mentioned sometime back that he shares extremely good relationship with his wife. What about other family members? kids? attachment ?is he anxious and worried a lot about his dependents?
If yes, then this sure is a Kali feature.
Lets confirm a few more things again before deciding.
magicure last decade
Astra
I too really don't know,why Ars improved initially,and stopped working later.These things do happen,and the easiest explanation is partially indicated remedy.!!
Suppression and palliation are different I think.Suppression word is used when the symptoms are masked,and the disease tends to go to a deeper level.
For example you give Pulsatilla for a cold in the initial stages,and the discharge improves,but the problem goes ino chest.This is suppression.(Homeo medicines also can suppress like allopathy.!)
Whereas,you give say allium cepa,and his physical symtoms improve,only for a short time,and the same symptoms come back.This is palliation.
I read that if the medicine acts palliatively,it won't work more than two to three times.That is why in terminal cases,even for palliation,you have to keep changing the remedy,by selecting a different,but somewhat simiar medicine.
Yes,i know for whom the copy was meant,H.Dr.S.What happpened?Did it go to the wrong address?
Six glasses??Too much for you???.You know what is really necessary is 6 Litres.!!!We have a branch of medicine called naturopathy,(you too may have it there),and this is what they advise.
Anyway,try to take more water.It really helps,particularly for ladies and it helps to keeep clear of UTI problems.
Murthy
Murthy
I too really don't know,why Ars improved initially,and stopped working later.These things do happen,and the easiest explanation is partially indicated remedy.!!
Suppression and palliation are different I think.Suppression word is used when the symptoms are masked,and the disease tends to go to a deeper level.
For example you give Pulsatilla for a cold in the initial stages,and the discharge improves,but the problem goes ino chest.This is suppression.(Homeo medicines also can suppress like allopathy.!)
Whereas,you give say allium cepa,and his physical symtoms improve,only for a short time,and the same symptoms come back.This is palliation.
I read that if the medicine acts palliatively,it won't work more than two to three times.That is why in terminal cases,even for palliation,you have to keep changing the remedy,by selecting a different,but somewhat simiar medicine.
Yes,i know for whom the copy was meant,H.Dr.S.What happpened?Did it go to the wrong address?
Six glasses??Too much for you???.You know what is really necessary is 6 Litres.!!!We have a branch of medicine called naturopathy,(you too may have it there),and this is what they advise.
Anyway,try to take more water.It really helps,particularly for ladies and it helps to keeep clear of UTI problems.
Murthy
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Magicure
Kali Carb is a difficult person to get symptoms.He is highly disciplined,and expects every body to be so.
You might have observed his cryptic replies most of the time,and his expectations from his sub-ordinates.He is a C.E.O
The symptom that really made me think about kali carb is his anxiety in stomach.You remeber,whenever he is anxious,he feels it in the stomach.When his son has some assignment in school,he has a 'nervous stomach.'
This symtom is most prominent in Kali Carb,and Kent gives a graphic description of it in his lectures on materia medica,and Vithoulkus quotes it verbatim in his Essence of materia medica.Even the reperteries confirm it.
I always believe,it is the symtoms which are unrelated to the main complaint,that are important for selection of a remedy.
His ticklishness when touched in the soles,confirms the remedy,as again it is a rare and peculiar symtom,very strong in Kali carb.
Moreover,it is a complimentary to Nux.v in both ways.What I mean is you can safely give Nux,then Kali carb and again nux,if required without spoiling the action of the remedies.Not all so called complimentaries are like this.
For example Calc is a complimentary for Sulph,but not vice versa.I am sure you know what I mean.
So,I would like to try a dose of Kali carb,if he slips back.He will slip back,as Nux can't hold him long,with 30 potency.
Sulphur,Yes..but,I think we should try kali carb first.
Murthy
Kali Carb is a difficult person to get symptoms.He is highly disciplined,and expects every body to be so.
You might have observed his cryptic replies most of the time,and his expectations from his sub-ordinates.He is a C.E.O
The symptom that really made me think about kali carb is his anxiety in stomach.You remeber,whenever he is anxious,he feels it in the stomach.When his son has some assignment in school,he has a 'nervous stomach.'
This symtom is most prominent in Kali Carb,and Kent gives a graphic description of it in his lectures on materia medica,and Vithoulkus quotes it verbatim in his Essence of materia medica.Even the reperteries confirm it.
I always believe,it is the symtoms which are unrelated to the main complaint,that are important for selection of a remedy.
His ticklishness when touched in the soles,confirms the remedy,as again it is a rare and peculiar symtom,very strong in Kali carb.
Moreover,it is a complimentary to Nux.v in both ways.What I mean is you can safely give Nux,then Kali carb and again nux,if required without spoiling the action of the remedies.Not all so called complimentaries are like this.
For example Calc is a complimentary for Sulph,but not vice versa.I am sure you know what I mean.
So,I would like to try a dose of Kali carb,if he slips back.He will slip back,as Nux can't hold him long,with 30 potency.
Sulphur,Yes..but,I think we should try kali carb first.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Thanks Murthy,
Onne more question from Abdur's book: collaterals. Does that mean they can be alternated?
It was sent to the right address but not air mail! (my fault-I should be more specific in my instructions- and he was used to send papers for me via reg. mail when I had my publishing company). So I worry now about when/if ok.
And my order for books was lost on the way to New Delhi.
So I worry double now.
I asked S. to let me know when it comes --but will he say anything when it gets lost or comes in bad shape?
I'd better stop thinking about it.
Onne more question from Abdur's book: collaterals. Does that mean they can be alternated?
It was sent to the right address but not air mail! (my fault-I should be more specific in my instructions- and he was used to send papers for me via reg. mail when I had my publishing company). So I worry now about when/if ok.
And my order for books was lost on the way to New Delhi.
So I worry double now.
I asked S. to let me know when it comes --but will he say anything when it gets lost or comes in bad shape?
I'd better stop thinking about it.
Astra2012 last decade
Ok Murthy, trying Kali seems to be a fair decision.( we are sure about his attachment to his family members and as you have correctly said his anxious stomach directs us to Kali carb)
But I sincerely feel that we should first increase the potency of Nux to 200 before introducing Kali Carb. Kali is needed , no doubt, ( and may be even Sulphur at some point !!)but I am more comfortable with trying the range of potencies of Nux first since it has acted well so far.
What do you think?
But I sincerely feel that we should first increase the potency of Nux to 200 before introducing Kali Carb. Kali is needed , no doubt, ( and may be even Sulphur at some point !!)but I am more comfortable with trying the range of potencies of Nux first since it has acted well so far.
What do you think?
magicure last decade
Astra
Even ordinary post reaches the destination most of the time.The missing cases are very rare,even in international mail.So,don't worry.
Collaterals doesn't mean that they can be alternated.It means a remedy,which can be tried,in case the first one you choose failed to give desired response.
For example,you gave Pulsatilla for UTI infection,but there is no response.No point in looking at complimentaries,and followed well remedies.Look at collaterals,for the same symptom.So,you will see Cantharis as another choice.
Did you read the introduction by Dr.Krishna Murthy?Read it once again.
Murthy
Even ordinary post reaches the destination most of the time.The missing cases are very rare,even in international mail.So,don't worry.
Collaterals doesn't mean that they can be alternated.It means a remedy,which can be tried,in case the first one you choose failed to give desired response.
For example,you gave Pulsatilla for UTI infection,but there is no response.No point in looking at complimentaries,and followed well remedies.Look at collaterals,for the same symptom.So,you will see Cantharis as another choice.
Did you read the introduction by Dr.Krishna Murthy?Read it once again.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Magicure
I am not in a hurry to prescribe next medicine.I will wait till the progress tapers off.
If his bloatedness gets reduced even by 10 percent,I will try Nux.V 200.But if it remains as it is,while other symptoms have improved,and the improvement comes to a standstill,I think we should consider Kali Carb.
I have not yet decided on the next medicine.I keep an open mind.
Thanks for your interest in the case.We can always share our thoughts,and it will help the patient.
Murthy
I am not in a hurry to prescribe next medicine.I will wait till the progress tapers off.
If his bloatedness gets reduced even by 10 percent,I will try Nux.V 200.But if it remains as it is,while other symptoms have improved,and the improvement comes to a standstill,I think we should consider Kali Carb.
I have not yet decided on the next medicine.I keep an open mind.
Thanks for your interest in the case.We can always share our thoughts,and it will help the patient.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Astra
As far as books are concerned it looks like you are not serious.
Unless you read the preface and introductions of any book,how do you know what is the intent of the author,and how to get benefit by it?
These are not fiction books,and it is very important to read the preface
and other articles,that precedes the book.
Murthy
As far as books are concerned it looks like you are not serious.
Unless you read the preface and introductions of any book,how do you know what is the intent of the author,and how to get benefit by it?
These are not fiction books,and it is very important to read the preface
and other articles,that precedes the book.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hello Murhty,
I just read Merisel's reply.
I am happy that except for bloatedness , his complaints have greatly improved.
Yes , today he again speaks of anxious stomach !! Kali is going to come in picture , no doubt ...
But it sure is a wise decision to wait till Nux has done its job completely ... We should not disturb the action of a remedy that is helping the patient.
Lets see...
Good handling of the case Murthy, Kudos to you !!!
I just read Merisel's reply.
I am happy that except for bloatedness , his complaints have greatly improved.
Yes , today he again speaks of anxious stomach !! Kali is going to come in picture , no doubt ...
But it sure is a wise decision to wait till Nux has done its job completely ... We should not disturb the action of a remedy that is helping the patient.
Lets see...
Good handling of the case Murthy, Kudos to you !!!
magicure last decade
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy,
Today his pain is increased again. May be the action of 30 potency is exhausted.
I think we should move on to Nux 200 3 doses consecutive nights.
What do you feel ?
Today his pain is increased again. May be the action of 30 potency is exhausted.
I think we should move on to Nux 200 3 doses consecutive nights.
What do you feel ?
magicure last decade
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