suppressed gonorrhea

I feel for you because I am dealing with the same thing but think somewhat worse. I am having the pain in legs and feet. My eyes are getting very weak as far as sight goes. Sleeping is very bad due to the pain. This has been going on for the last three years. No one here seems to know what to do about this condition. Wish they did but just don't. Good luck in finding something to help.

Forgot to mention that you might want to look into cell salts and essential oils.

Don't know anything about suppressed Gonorrhea? It is a fundemental part of our theory of chronic diseases (miasm). Treatment of such a state is no different to any other state - take the symptoms, apply the medicine that matches them. The success relies on the skill and training of the practitioner, like all other situations.

Gardenerd, just because you had gonorrhea in the past does NOT mean you now have the Sycotic miasm. You must be susceptible for this to happen.

I have seen patients with a history of gonorrhea clearly displaying (and needing remedies relating to) all the other miasms.

The problem I find with homeopathy is knowing who knows what they are talking about when it comes to healing this condition. No one seems to have any testimonials from people that have been helped by them. The same is true with medical doctors also. They all want to charge but can not deliver.

It is true, internet forums are difficult places to meet people in any meaningful way. There are many people who situate themselves in forums as experts, and patients have no way of confirming that they are who they say they are.

Almost all of my business comes from word of mouth - from patients who had good results. This is typical of most homoeopaths treating patients face to face.

I find Dr. Du Schepper's advice on how to find a good homoeopath quite useful even if you are trying to assess the advice given on a forum like this.

http://www.drluc.com/homeopathy-select.htm

Ok. I must explain some things.

It is absolutely possible to have more than one miasm at a time. Everyone who hasn't used homeopathy has more than one miasm.

If you've ever had gonorrhea, and not had it re-established by homeopathic treatment - then you still have suppressed Gonorrhea, and need homeopathic treatment!

Of course many miasms can be cured at the same time! How many times has one remedy reestablished psora on the skin and Gonorrhea at the same time! I'm sure many of us have seen this many times.

http://simillimum.com/education/little-library/constitution-....

Please look at this article... especially the section at the bottom titled 'A Case History of Sycosis'. It will explain what happens in homeopathic treatment of suppressed gonorrhea. When the discharge is reestablished all of the secondary symptoms are cured for good. And your health should return to excellent condition.

Any homeopath who doesn't understand that there can be many miasms in the same case should read the section titled 'Classifying Miasmic Rubrics'.

I also encourage both patients who have had gonorrhea, and homeopaths who want to understand the Ghonnorhea miasm to read what Kent has to say about this!

http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentlect/lect21.htm

Dear Gardenerd,

Are you still interested in homoeopathy treatment or you just had enough?

Ecogenie, I agree with you 'The same is true with medical doctors also. They all want to charge but can not deliver.' I may add, it is the same with Homoeopathic Doctors and professionals, they charge a lot, waste a lot of time, make the patient their permanent customer and deliver nothing.

Please try to understand, this is a forum, not someone's clinic, therefore, everyone coming here has the right to exchange views with the best of their abilities.

In my opinion, on this forum, timely help must be extended to the patients in pain rather than teaching them the Homoeopathic principles and philosophies, as they are least interested at the moment.

Anyway, someone with suppressed gonorrhea may explore our remedy THUJA to start with, again, in my opinion?

May God bless you?

Regards
Nawaz

Please answer the new patient intake form for a bit more information.

http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/239454/

I was also taught the mult-miasmatic model that has been popular in homoeopathy for long time, espoused by some of the greatest of homoeopaths. This is the way I practiced for many years.

Personally, I found that model very impractical. It did not help me to choose medicines on the basis of the perceived miasm, since so many remedies were considered to treat so many miasms, and the miasm being perceived seemed to depend on who was looking at it. I was often back to square one, with a large group of remedies in front of me, a large number of miasmatic characteristics,and all fo this not helping me one bit to choose a way to go.

When I approached more experienced homoeopaths for guidance, not one of them could show me how the multimiasmatic model helped them select a remedy. It seemed to be more anecdotal - after selecting a medicine based on the symptoms, they could go back and so 'it helped because it was sycotic'. But prior to that, what they would show me, was a complicated chart of pathologies, diseases, characteristics that showed all the miasms. It was like a web of information that went everywhere and nowhere.

The best I would get from them, was an admonition to 'make sure the remedy covers the miasm' and absolutely no explanation on how I could do that, or how they were doing it.

When I moved to the single dominant miasm model, seen as an integral part of the remedy/state of the patient over the longest span of their life, I was finally able to use miasm more practically. Now for most chronic cases the miasm actually made it easier to select the remedy, at times reducing the choice to one remedy only (or at least a very tiny group).

I am aware this idea may still be somewhat controversial. However my primary focus in practice was always to be able to use the tools that the philosophy provided for me. The concept of multiple miasms conflicted with the concept of totality - one vital force, one state - yet multiple miasms? It did not sit well with me, and did not serve any useful function when prescribing. For the most part, I would end up just choosing the remedy that suited the state anyway - since all the miasms were found in all the main remedies (polycrests) it didn't make any difference to my choice.

I could never understand how such an important idea could amount to nothing but a discussion topic amongst homoeopaths. It seemed such a waste.

Which is why when I was exposed to Dr. Sankaran's approach it appealed greatly to me. Finally a way that I could use miasm to help select the remedy.

Single dominant miasm does not imply there are no other miasmatic influences in an individual's life. It does however state that only one miasm is 'running the show' so to speak. A medicine that covers the symptoms and this dominant miasm will cure deeply. It also means that remedies are strongly associated with a single miasm rather than being stretched to cover all of them.

Over the years, it has not been my experience generally that miasms need to be treated in layers either. Once the dominant miasm is quietened, the person begins to display reactions in their health that are less intense, more 'normal' for the situations they encounter. At this stage of treatment, miasm no longer needs to be considered in every prescription.

'not one of them could show me how the multimiasmatic model helped them select a remedy.'

The section 'Classifying Miasmic Rubrics' of David Little's article offers just that.
http://simillimum.com/education/little-library/constitution-....

For example, I am treating a patient who is very much a Sulphur constitution who shows many psoric symptoms, and had a case of ghonnorhea suppressed 5+ years ago. Sulph is a remedy that covers psora, ghonnorhea, tb, and syph. On Sulph LM1 he has had acne reestablsihed on his skin and a ghonnorheal discharge at the same time. The Sulph is removing both miasms at the same time.

In another case, a patient is an Ars. constitution, who was displaying many syphilis, TB symptoms and primary psysical psoric symptoims of acne on the face and back. Arsenicum removed the tb wanderlust symptoms, the emotionally destructive symptoms of syphilis and has brought the acne back to the skin, and cured many of his psoric symptoms. His general state is greatly improved since starting the Ars. about 7 months ago. At this stage there are some inherited figwart symptoms that seem more prominent because the other miasms have been removed.

This miasmatic perspective is so practical in actual homeopathic treatment!

I've seen disasters caused by Sankaran-ian practitioners because they give a medicine that doesn't cover the miasms the patient has. In the worst cases, I've seen patients given remedies that are considered non-miasmatic, that don't cover any miasms at all (except in Sankaran's model) when the patient will tell you of active miasms such as ghonnorhea or excema that they've had!

http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentlect/lect18.htm

As Kent says 'Hahnemann says that before he began that collection of symptoms he was struck somewhat with wonder that Nux Vomica and Ignatia and such short acting medicines were able to cure only a single manifestation of disease, a group of symptoms, or they would relieve for a time and then the symptoms would come back, although he had followed up the treatment to the best of his knowledge.

At the end of a case, he could discover that there had been a continuous progress in spite of the fact that he had relieved his patient of suffering a good many times.

So it is, while acute acting remedies are used, and you will use them if you do not know the psoric doctrine.

The short acting medicines are the ones that contain the counterparts of the acute, manifestations of psora, and hence when these acute manifestations appear in groups of symptoms you will naturally select acute remedies, and you will palliate them from time to time, but at the end of years you will look upon every individual case, and will notice that the case has been steadily progressing.

You will find that you have not shuck at the root of the trouble, that there is an underlying something present and prevailing and that the disease is steadily growing worse.

Hahnemann saw this and it was a mystery to him because he had acquired a perfect mastery over the acute diseases with the acute remedies.

Such apsorics had been at this time very well proved, Belladonna, Aconite, Bryonia, Arnica, China, Nux Vomica, etc., etc., and these had been found to be perfectly suitable for the acute manifestations of psora and for the acute miasms.'

I really don't have the time to go into it.

To understand the Sycotic miasm please read these ideas expressed by Kent and others.

Hahnemann said that he expected his students to need a few years to understand the psoric theory. I think it took me several years to fully understand the miasmatic theory.

http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentlect/lect21.htm
http://simillimum.com/education/little-library/constitution-....

Okay this all sounds very good but the average person doesn't have time to learn about homeopathy while suffering with suppressed gonorrhea. All they want to hear is if there are people out there that have been helped with suppressed gonorrhea. Testimonials of people that are well from using homeopathy. Have all of them call me that have used homeopathy and have been cured. Then I would say homeopathy is the way to go in treating suppressed gonorrhea. Otherwise people will continue to suffer and waste away while just listening to a bunch of words they can not understand.

Goodness, geez. I didn't see that you're not on a remedy and that nobody has taken on this case.

I will try to look at it later if I have time, but I'm extremely busy. Otherwise, if someone else can look at these cases, please do.

Please post your current symptoms.

Also, please prioritise your objectives.

1. Learning Homoeopathy

2. Receive Treatment for SG

3. Helping Others

4. Any other Goal

We will go from there!

I have a question, HI.

Suppose you have a chronic miasmatic case, with the sum of all PQRS presenting symptoms leading to Aconite. Will you give the remedy or disacrd it on ground that it is a remedy not anti-miasmatic enough?

Best wishes,
Niel

If there was a chronic miasmatic case, it would be extremely rare for the symptoms to lead to aconite because aconite isn't similar to the disease state. I'm not saying that it hasn't ever been correct for a case, but it would be very rare.

Generally there would be two situations. The non-miasmatic remedy would palliate, and one would need the remedy for the miasm - such cases often need the Nosodes or remedies such as Sulph. or Thuj. to move forward. In other cases, a remedy such as Aconite might do some good and might move the symptoms to the point where another remedy would be called for.

Why do so many psoric cases call for Sulphur? Why do so many sycotic cases call for Thuja? It is because Sulphur produces symptoms in proovings that are similar to psora. In proovings Thuja produces symptoms similar to sycosis.

So few cases of psora or ghonnorhea call for Aconite (or Arnica!) because those remedies don't produce those symptoms in proovings!

Arnica from Dr. Allen's Encyclopedia:

SKIN:

► Skin red, [36].
► *Skin red, hot, and œdematous, [36].
► Skin cold, dry, [30].
► Eruption, with great burning or smarting, [38].
► Vesicular eruption, with great heat and great irritation, [36].
► Fine vesicular eruption, with itching, [36].
► Red patches, with swelling and burning, [39].
► Caused erysipelatous redness and turgescence of the skin, with increased temperature, and in many places papular elevations, which on slight touch itch rather than pain, and are tipped with a small vesicle, [34].
► Erythematous inflammation of the skin with œdema over the face and whole body; it becomes vesicular and finally scales off, [32]. [810.]
► Nettle-rash eruption (child from smelling Arnica), [32].
► Itching rash (produced by moistening the skin with the tincture), [1].
► Eruption like pin-heads with red skin, [36].
► Vesicles, closely set, acuminated, on an inflamed base, [38].
► Red points and vesicles with red areola, smarting and itching, [39].
► Pustules in fourteen days, [37].
► Pimples on the side of the forehead, partly filled with pus (after three days), [7]. ► Rash on the face, especially the forehead, which goes and comes, [35].
► Erythema of the face; less about the margins of the hair; worse on the lids. The cheeks, upper lip, and nose dark-red and moderately swollen. The concha, especially its margin, swollen and bright red; the adjacent parts were much swollen and red. The lids were œdematous, and œdematous sacs hung from the lower lids; with heat in the face and violent biting (itching), disturbing sleep. Pulse normal, [33].
► (A repeated result of using tincture of Arnica on himself and others).
► Eruption over the malar bone, [36]. [820.]
► Eruption on the cheeks, like small-pox; mostly under the eyes, [5].
► Pimple on both sides of the upper lip (after two days), [7]. ► Pimple in the groove of the upper lip, in the middle, with redness all around, and tensive pain, [5].
► Small, rapidly suppurating acne-pustule under the right labial commissure, [24].
► Several vesicles in middle of lower lip, containing a clear fluid and soon drying into scabs, [25].
► Pimples in the nose and under the nose, which are filled with pus at the tips, with a biting pain, [1].
► Pimple on the side of the neck, which when touched stings and pains as if ulcerated (after forty-eight hours), [1]. [This kind of pimple is painful to touch, surrounded with an inflamed red border: is extremely similar to a boil. Boils are, therefore, cured by Arnica. Homœopathically Arnica may be used as a preventive against boils in persons who are subject to them. I know this from experience. -H.]
► Erysipelatous inflammation, the left hand dark-blue, and covered with large and small vesicles which gave the skin the appearance of a rhinoceros hide, [37].
► Eruption on the palms, causes complete exfoliation of the skin; the hands have a scaly look, and the skin is somewhat cracked in the folds, [39].
► Itching pimple between the thumb and the index finger; when touched a fine stinging pain, as if a splinter were in it (after forty hours), [1]. [830.]
► Burning pain at times in this, at times in another part of the skin, [1].
► Sense of cold, at times in one, at times in another place in the skin, [1].
► Transient but violent tearings at different times and on different parts of the skin, [24].
► A sharp pricking sensation over the whole surface of the body, [13].
► (Stinging, burning, and itching pain in the skin, here and there, which is felt when lying down for the siesta; it soon goes off of itself and by scratching), [1].
► Itching of the skin, [25].

GENERALITIES

► (Jerks and shocks in the body, as by electricity), [12]. [See note to S. 632. -Hughes.]
► Sudden twitches of single muscles in almost every part of the body, especially in the limbs; those twitches produce a shock either in single parts of the body, or in the whole body, [10].
► Uneasiness in the whole body, without any mental anguish; a kind of excessive mobility, which finally becomes a kind of trembling of the whole body, [1]. [770.]
► Orgasm of the blood in the evening, accompanied by dizziness of the head; he feels pulsations in the whole body; (he coughs for hours until he vomits; this wakes him at night), [1].
► When walking in the open air, he feels as if the whole right side, especially the shoulder, were too heavy and paralyzed; he does not feel this in the least when in the room (after eight hours), [2]. ► *Lassitude and sluggishness of the whole body; the legs are scarcely able to stand, [6].
► General fatigue, lassitude, and sleepiness, [27].
► General weakness, [26].
► Loss of strength, [35].
► *General sinking of strength; he can scarcely move a limb, [6].
► Feeble in walking, as if suddenly blighted with old age, [35].
► Tremulous uneasiness and weakness, [4].
► *Weakness, weariness, sensation as of being bruised; these symptoms oblige him to lie down, [4]. [780.]
► Felt sick and feeble on rising, [30].
► Comfortable feeling of exhaustion, [25].
► He feels faint when walking; he recovers himself when standing, [1].
► Faintness, [35].
► *Painful and excessive sensitiveness of the whole body, [1].
► *Painful sensitiveness of all the joints and of the skin, on making the slightest motion (after four hours), [1].
► Extreme malaise, [29].
► Indescribable discomfort and disinclination to activity, [26].
► Excessively violent pain, which caused many to scratch the wall or the floor with their nails, like madmen; the pains do not continue more than an hour (immediately after taking the medicine), [14]. [790.]
► (Burning and cutting pains here and there), [12]. [See note to S. 632. -Hughes.]
► Everything on his body feels as if it were tied too tight, [1].
► Extremely disagreeable painfulness of the periosteum of all the bones, resembling almost a drawing in all the limbs, as in fever and ague, [1].
► From time to time tearing in almost every part of the body, especially, however, in the lower and upper extremities; in the lower extremities they are mostly felt when sitting; the pain for the most part appears to rise from below upwards, [7].
► Stitching pains, [21].
► Burning stitches in different parts of the body, [24].
►► *Felt as if bruised over the whole body, [35].
► Twitching pain in the affected part (after two hours), [1].
► Disagreeable sense, as of tingling or dull pain in a contused part, [1].
► Fine prickings in almost every part of the body, especially the nose, eyebrows, eyelids, even hands and fingers, [1]. [800.]
► Intense pricking and itching of the entire body, [28].

MIND.

► Excessive sensitiveness of the mind; extreme disposition to agreeable as well as disagreeable emotions, without weakness or excessive sensitiveness of the body; (on one occasion this excessive sensitiveness of the mind was observed before that of the body; I have also seen these two kinds of sensitiveness occurring in alternation or simultaneously), [1].
► Uncommon liveliness [24].
► Bright, talkative (this was a curative reaction in a person of an opposite mood), [8].
► Calm, bright mood (curative reaction), [6].
► *Indifference to everything, [1].
► Weeping, [1].
► After supper she weeps, is peevish, listens to nobody, and does not wish to be told anything, [1].
► Depression of spirits and absence of mind (after three hours and a half hours), [7]. ► Hopelessness, [1]. [10.]
► Anxiety, [6], [12], [14], [15].
► *Hypochondriac anxiety, [1], [35].
► Violent attacks of anxiety, [2].
► Anxiety about the present and the future (third day), [8].
► Frightfulness, [1].
► Unexpected trifles frighten and cause him to start (after an hour and a half), [7].
► Apprehension of future evils, [1].
► Horror of instant death, [35].
► Uncommonly peevish; everything is disagreeable to her, [4].
► Hypochondriac peevishness; he is not disposed to do anything, [1]. [20.]
► She is extremely peevish; all her former cheerfulness and amiable manners have gone (after one hour), [4].
► Peevishness; he would like to quarrel with everybody, [1].
► Quarrelsomeness and peevishness, [1].
► He is contradictory; nothing can be done to suit him (after three and twelve hours), [1]. ► She is extremely morose and irritable; *she does not speak a word, [1].
► Moroseness; one first desires all sorts of things, and afterwards repels them, [1].
► Sullen mood, as after a quarrel, [8].
► Sullen insolence and imperiousness (after some hours), [1].
► Obstinate and headstrong resistance to other people's opinions (after four hours), [1].
► Irritable, sensitive mood, [10]. [30.]
► Excessive irritation of the temples; she easily laughed when there was no occasion for it; when something disagreeable was told her she got angry, and broke forth in loud howling, [1].
► (Excessive inclination to perform many and long literary labors, without possessing the strength which is required to terminate them without injuring health), [1].
► He is easily absorbed by reveries while awake, [7].
► He sits absorbed in a revery, although he thinks, properly speaking, of nothing, [7].
► Absence of mind; he cannot direct his thoughts long to one object, [9].
► Absence of mind; his thoughts imperceptibly wander from their object, and dwell upon images and fanciful visions, [4].
► After walking in the open air, he is ill-disposed to think or talk, notwithstanding he was very cheerful before (after nine hours), [2].
► Aversion to every earnest labor, [27].
► He loathes every sort of work, [1].
► Uneasiness of body and mind (without there being any anxiety); one feels as if one were prevented from doing something which is extremely necessary, accompanied by a total want of disposition for any kind of work, [1]. [40.]
► Inability to perform continued active work, [26].
► *Want of memory; he forgets the word he is about speaking, [3].

On reading it, one clearly realizes that Arnica is an anti-psoric par excellence. Going by the fashion of taking mental symptoms as guide for deciding if the remedy is miasmatic enough, Arnica covers Psoric, Sycotic as well as Tubercular miasms.

Regards,
Niel

Hi wrote:


'Why do so many psoric cases call for Sulphur? Why do so many sycotic cases call for Thuja? It is because Sulphur produces symptoms in proovings that are similar to psora. In proovings Thuja produces symptoms similar to sycosis.'

- Psora to hahnemann was the itch mite eruption. Try treating acaria with any Homeopathic remedy without external application. Burnett failed, Clarke failed, Hering and Farrington failed as well. They would always kill the mite and its eggs with an external application and then give a remnedy to cover the eruption caused by it.
- By your logic, Calcarea should be used more in psoric cases than Sulphur because the pathogenosis of skin symptoms is greater in Calcarea than Sulphur.
- End of the day, you take care of the miasms or not, the remedy or sequence of remedies selected on the BASIS OF PECULIAR, RARE, STRANGE & QUEER SYMPTOMS will always cure.

So few cases of psora or ghonnorhea call for Aconite (or Arnica!) because those remedies don't produce those symptoms in proovings!
- Exactly. What a remedy can produce, it can cure. This is Homeopathy - nothing more, nothing less. None of Hahnemann's followers used Miasm as a basis for remedy selection - neither did Hahnemann. Dig out any case of Hahnemann where a remedy was selected on a miasm. It was always on the presenting symptoms.

'Generally there would be two situations. The non-miasmatic remedy would palliate, and one would need the remedy for the miasm - such cases often need the Nosodes or remedies such as Sulph. or Thuj. to move forward. In other cases, a remedy such as Aconite might do some good and might move the symptoms to the point where another remedy would be called for.'

- Tell me one unambiguous classification of anti-maismatics. Every guru seems to have his own list. And, in end analysis, the list covers almost all of our remedies, from Abies to Zingiber!!!

Regards,
Niel

I have seen many physicians on the Forum criticise remedies like Belladona and Aconite on grounds that they are not anti-miasmatic nough. What ignorance! Read the introduction to Belladona MMP and you will find how much Hahnemann extolls the virtues of Belladona as a long-acting anti-psoric. Read Clarke's introduction to Aconite and find out how much he extolls the virtues of Aconite as a chronic remedy par excellence.

There are no limits to the Simillimum and any categorization is dangerous.

In my practice, the usefulness of miasms is limited to the following:

- Moving a case forward. Important remedies : Sulphur, Mercurius, Thuja, Nux vomica, Hepar sulph and the Nosodes.
- Understand the anamnesis of the case and judge if the cure is happening as per the Hering's law of cure.

Aude sapere...

Regards,
Niel

You've made it seem like we disagree, when our opinion is very close.

At times, there will be a case that is sycotic, and no matter how one prescribes on the symptoms the case doesn't get anywhere. There are times when Med. will move the case forward.

Yes, plenty of people give different grades for remedies. It's not the grade, but the ability of the remedy to cure. If the remedy has the property to cure, then it doesn't matter what grade someone's given it. The grades are just to help us understand the properties of the remedies. Hahnemann classified a group he called anti-psorics in the chronic diseases, and these classifications, while not perfect, are valuable.

Great to see such serious discussion going on here! I've been trying to get people discussing the miasms here for a while!

Cheers!

'Dig out any case of Hahnemann where a remedy was selected on a miasm. It was always on the presenting symptoms.'

The only remedies that Hahnemann ever mentioned for gonorrhea were Thuja. and Nit-Ac. The only remedy he ever mentioned for Syph. was Merc. He did have many anti-psorics.

My position is exactly as Kent describes here. You will note that Kent clearly identifies Arnica as a not-psoric remedy.




Kent:
http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentlect/lect18.htm

'Hahnemann says that before he began that collection of symptoms he was struck somewhat with wonder that Nux Vomica and Ignatia and such short acting medicines were able to cure only a single manifestation of disease, a group of symptoms, or they would relieve for a time and then the symptoms would come back, although he had followed up the treatment to the best of his knowledge.

At the end of a case, he could discover that there had been a continuous progress in spite of the fact that he had relieved his patient of suffering a good many times.

So it is, while acute acting remedies are used, and you will use them if you do not know the psoric doctrine.

The short acting medicines are the ones that contain the counterparts of the acute, manifestations of psora, and hence when these acute manifestations appear in groups of symptoms you will naturally select acute remedies, and you will palliate them from time to time, but at the end of years you will look upon every individual case, and will notice that the case has been steadily progressing.

You will find that you have not shuck at the root of the trouble, that there is an underlying something present and prevailing and that the disease is steadily growing worse.

Hahnemann saw this and it was a mystery to him because he had acquired a perfect mastery over the acute diseases with the acute remedies.

Such apsorics had been at this time very well proved, Belladonna, Aconite, Bryonia, Arnica, China, Nux Vomica, etc., etc., and these had been found to be perfectly suitable for the acute manifestations of psora and for the acute miasms.

Hahnemann had not yet learned that the acute miasms were utterly and strictly acute miasms, and could not, therefore, compare acute miasms with chronic miasms, or vice versa.

He had not seen them yet as miasms.

One will not understand the acute miasms clearly until able to compare them with chronic miasms.

They side up one with another, and make it wonderfully manifest.

The acute miasms come on either with sufficient violence to cause death to patients, or with less violence, wherein there is a period of progress and a tendency to recover.

They cannot be prolonged in the patient, and must subside.'