Joe De Livera--Influenzinum

I have used Influenzinum 200c for over 100 members of our staff last December and they all did not contact the Flu which is always prevalent in Sri Lanka at that time.

You should use a repeat dose 2 weeks after the first to ensure full protection. 4 globules consitute a dose.

It is quite safe to be used in the potency 200c in the manner I have indicated above .

You are best advised to use the Boiron as they will have the latest viruses added to the remedy.

Joe,
I live in USA and here this is the time we all get flu vaccine every year but because of shortage it's not easy to get now. Do you think that Influenzinum 200 from Boiron will work here as well (virus from us also included)? and also can it be given to infants as well?

I know at least one person 77 years old who contacted the flue after the 'Flu Shot' and almost died as a result. She lives in Ottawa where there was no shortage of the vaccine last year.

You will discover that the Influenzinum is far superior to this Flu Shot which as far as I know does more damage after it is taken than otherwise.

I cannot advise you on the use of Influenzinum for infants and you will have to take advice from those who are more knowledgeable than me on it use for babies. I presume that you are aware that infants have a greater inbuilt resistance to catching viruses that adults.

Joe,

This intrigues me a lot. I have four questions on this remedy:

1. Does Boiron change it yearly in reference to whatever virus is going around?

2. Just like the flu vaccine, how does one know if the virus Borion uses is valid for whatever comes along (i.e., the infamous bird flu?)

3. When should one start the dose? When they are healthy? Or is there a certain month to do it? I've just had a bad cold and don't want to go through it again.

4. Did any of your people have an aggravation from the 200C dose they took?

Thanks, Joe. Look forward to hearing from you so I can stock up on this remedy.

Jane

1. I am informed that Boiron incorporates the latest viruses into their Influenzinum. Suggest you contact them directly for the latest news.

2. I do hope that they will get the Avian Flu virus also incorporated into their latest supply.

3. You may only use the first dose when you are absolutely OK. If you wish to avoid colds the remedy is Bacillinum 200 also taken in the same way with the booster taken 2 weeks after.

I stop a cold coming on as soon as I have any symptoms. In my case I sneeze twice in quick succession and even without any others I take Ferr Phos 30x dose 2 tablets every 3 hours till the nose clears up. If the virus migrates to the throat I use Belladonna 30 dose 2 globules every 3 hours.

4 Not one of our staff showed any adverse symptoms. I believe that we are all apprehensive about using the Influenzinum at first but the resulting resistance that one gets is far more than with the proverbial Flu Shot which sold in the US for $500 at the peak of the demand last year as people were in a panic to get it and some ended in hospital shortly afterwards as they were infected by the very shot that they took to provide resistance from the flu.

Thank you, Joe.

I will absolutely order the Influ. 200C without hesitation and pass this info onto my friends and family.

Another few questions based upon things you brought up:

1. My recent flu bout started with sneezing and a runny nose. The aches and sore throat came later. I'm not sure how one determines whether one has a "flu" or a "cold." Perhaps this is a dumb question, but I'd like to know. Thus, if I took Bacillium and I had the flu, what would happen and vice versa (Influenzium and I had a cold?)

2. Is once around mid-November and then repeated two weeks later all that is needed for protection until spring? Can I take both the Influ. 200C and the Bacillium 200C (of course at different intervals, perhaps a month apart) for complete protection?

3. I am starting a program with my homeopath where I will take one dose of a remedy for a specific problem I'm having and then possibly repeat that dose in a month's time or longer. Will there be any counteracting effect from either the Influ. 200 or Bacill.?

Thank you again for your prompt response and personal experience. I always find that personal experience (especially when you have a large group of 100 people!!!) to use as positive proof that this works.

Jane

Good to know that you got my response so quickly. This is the power of the new technology today !

If you get a feeling of unease with body pain, headache and generally not wanting to be active, this is usually the Flu virus attacking your body.

If however you start with sneezing and coryza, this is a cold virus attacking your nasal membranes. The feeling of malaise with a temperature when the cold virus is fully active is the body's way of fighting the infection which by that time is taken over by a bacteria after the virus dies out, usually in about 3 days. It is this bacteria that can cause havoc with other major problems like Bronchitis and Pneumonia. Rest at home and drink plenty of liquids (not canned).

The best remedy is Ferr Phos 30x which you should carry with you always to be used every 3 hours when you have the first signs of a virus invasion. The earlier you fight it, the better you will be able stop it before it gets into your body to create further havoc.

You will eventually discover that you will build up your bodily resistance and I can quote my own case when I used to catch colds about 40 years ago at least twice monthly, and today I never get a cold as I start the treatment as soon as I sneeze twice which in my case is my early warning system kicking it.

Bacillinum is the potentized remedy made from "Macerated Tuberculosed Human Lung tissue". It is very safe to be used but will not help with the Influenza virus. It is used to provide prophylactic cover against the cold viruses. It is also very effective for Catarrh.

Yes you may take both Influenzinum and Bacillinum but with about 2-4 weeks time difference between each.

If you wish to stop a cold use the Ferr Phos 30x which I use whenever I start a sniffle. Other remedies are Gelsemium 30, Hepar Sulph 30, Nux Vomica 30 both of which are effective but are not as good as the Ferr Phos 30x (not 30c).

Bell 30 if the virus hits your throat. This can follow after your cold virus in the nose is stopped when the same or another virus migrates down to the throat and if left untreated can result in a cough and later still Bronchitis or Pheunomia when an Antibiotic (Azithromycin) is essential.

I note that you intend starting on 'program' with your homeopath and if you would like to share your ailment with me, I may be able to help.

I use just 1 teaspoonful of Arnica 30c every night and have used it daily for the last 10 years. I believe that I am the only person in the whole world to have used it in this manner and I would recommend that you too use it in the Wet Dose which I have often detailed on this forum.

I believe that this is easily the best 'tonic' that one can use instead of Vitamins and other drugs which I know Americans use on a daily basis. I believe that I owe this remedy my present state of wellness with BP 120/80 pulse 6-65 at age 76.

Influenzinum acts best if given as a prophylactic but if the disease is in incubation period it is not so effective and if given in episode it just accelerate the cure process .It is equally effective and safe for infants.It is better to use it before the flue season to protect,and on appearance of the sign and symptoms of flue it efficacy is much reduced.Joe if it is capable of taking care of the whole situation the manufacturer will be deprived of money you know.
sajjad.

Thank you again, Joe and Sajjad.

Joe, is Ferrum Phos a "universal" remedy for the symptoms you suggested or is it just "your" remedy? (one that works for your specific constitution?) The reason I ask is that I used to have a Ferrum constitution when I was younger but I've now developed a Belladonna constitution. I've found that a dose of Belladonna for me reduces and often eliminates many of the symptoms I'm having. In fact, I took it last night when my cold was starting to hit my throat and today I have no sore throat and feel much better.

Re: the arnica, remember I'm the one who experimented with it this past summer? It certainly worked well for me and my husband.

I'm still so new to homeopathy (just around 10 years of studying it off and on) that I don't quite "get" how to decipher which remedy is the absolutely correct one for symptoms during a cold, especially when symtpoms can overlaap based on the profiles of the remedies in my books. Very confusing sometimes! I see similarities between Allium cepa and Nux Vomica. Can anyone tell me concrete difference to look for between these two?

Finally, I am in the process of ordering remedies for myself and some friends. From what I've read, it seems that most cold and flu remedies should be taken in either 6X or 9C potency for best effect and then taken more often. I realize that Influ. and Baccil. need to be taken in the 200C potency. That makes sense. But instead of purchasing an array of potencies for EACH remedy I intend to buy, what is the BEST potency to choose for most effectiveness??

One final question: I occasionally drink coffee and so does my husband. When we are doing any specific short term homeopathic treatment, we always steer clear of mint, camphor, etc. If the Infl200 and Bacil200 are meant to last until spring, does that mean that coffee and mint and garlic will antidote the remedy??? I'd be hard pressed to stay away from garlic and the occasional cup of java for 6 months!

Thank you.

Jane

Jane,
Thanks for your interest in homeopathy,the brief reply to your questions is as .
1.In all acute diseases 6c is used,the advantage is that being a low potency it can be repeated frequently.it all depends upon the condition of the patient,i once repeated belladonna after every 5 minutes without any bad affect,so it all depends on the condition.
2.Potencies like 200 and above are suitable when mind symptoms are very clear and dominating,or when nosodes are used.
3.When you are puzzled between two identical remedies,look for their modalities as allium cepa is worse in the evening while of nux vomica is worse in the morning,you can immediately dicide the remedy.I think you understand now.
You can freely discuss any problem regarding homeopathy,i will try my best to satisfy you, to guide you ,to educate you.
sajjad.

I have used many remedies to fight the colds that I used to catch twice monthly that I can claim to have specialized is seeking the most effective remedy to stop them. I believe that I have succeeded as I have not caught a cold for the whole of this year and perhaps for a long time before.

I have stuck to the Ferr Phos 30x as I have found this remedy the most effective. The 6x and 12x which I have also used are not quite that effective and I have had to eventually use the 30c to stop catching a cold.

I recommend that you also experiment with the various remedies that I have suggested and stay with the one that suits you best.

I note that you stopped an throat infection with Bell and am glad that you used this remedy which I had referred to in my last post. You must remember however that you will have to use it even after all the irritation in your throat leaves you as the virus can easily stage a come back if you stop it as soon as you feel better when the irritation leaves you. I usually take the Bell in the dry dose for 3 doses after all is well.

I have indicated the remedies and their potencies that best suit me and those that I have observed also help others. You too should experiment with these remedies and also many others that are in use by others and if possible share your discoveries as I do on this forum so that others too may benefit.

There is no such thing as the perfect remedy or the perfect potency for any remedy. One has to use one's instinct born of the years of association with this science of healing which I believe is the best attitude that a person like me who gets great satisfaction from helping others through homeopathy, can have especially at my advance age of 76 years.

I believe that after you have done some study in this science it it up to each one to use the knowledge and if the remedies are available to experiment with them to see which remedy suits which ailment best.

The classical homeopaths will not dare to do so as they have invariably been brainwashed to only use or prescribe the remedy that is identified in the Repertories and MM's after the process of case taking which I do not believe in as it takes far too much time. I prefer the direct approach which has been termed as the "this for that" method which I accept is more allopathic in its approach than homeopathic. However the main crux of the matter is that it usually works and both I and the patient are happy. I do use Radar 9 which I have purchased a few months ago to deal with difficult cases but prefer to use my own experience and my instinct in identifying the remedy for the patient.

My discoveries that Arnica can be used for many other ailments other that those that are listed in the classical Repertories is a case in point where I have not hesitated to experiment with the remedy which I feel is perhaps suited for a particular ailment. I believe that my discovery that Nat Phos 6x for weight reduction and Arnica 30 for Diabetes control can help humanity and can perhaps be recorded in Repertories in the future.

I do remember that we have been in contact some months ago about the Arnica which I recommended you and your husband use. I use it nightly myself and owe to it my state of wellness which I hope others who read this post will also use as I presume you and your husband are using it today.

You may drink coffee occasionally but I would prefer that you switch over to tea which as you may know is grown here in Sri Lanka where we still refer to it as Ceylon Tea. However if you wish to take any remedy for an ailment you must not take the tabooed items as the efficacy of the remedy will be lost.

Thanks, again, Joe. Have indeed taken another dose of Belladonna 30C this morning.

What is Radar 9?

Jane

I was just about to go to bed when I saw your post come in.

You must take Bell every 3 hours to stop a throat virus from taking hold.

Radar is perhaps the best Homeopathic software used by many homeopaths and costs over $1000.

Thanks, Joe.

Joe,

Apparently, Bacillinum is only available to professional homeopaths. I called Daniel at Homepathy Works and was unable to get him to sell it to me. I did mention that you had mentioned it to me but that didn't seem to make a difference.

Any ideas of where I can purchase Bacillinum?

Also, found out that the Influenzinum remedy is made "fresh" every year from late September to early October. It typically carries the three foremost strains of flu that are thought to be active for that season.

Also, talked to a great source at one of the labs I deal with and he said that the "Bird Flu" is "not a big deal" and has been totally blown out of proportion to breed fear and force people to get the vaccine....It's the vaccine that is worrisome, he says, and can cause unknown "complications." (his word). Read into that what you wish. I know what it means to me.

Jane

I note that you contacted Daniel of Washington Homeopathic Products but that he had not helped you. You may call Jod Lilliard the CEO of this organization who also knows me as the local representative of Homeopaths Without Borders. We had 5 teams from this organization here in Sri Lanka eary this year to help the survivors of the Tsunami and I hope that Joe will help you if you mention my name.

Good to know that Boiron USA uses the latest Flu viruses in the Influenzinum. I hope that they will also include the Avian Flu virus which seems to be driving the US crazy when it has not even been reported there. I was informed only this morning on the BBC news that the vaccine is only made by Roche in Switzerland and that they are refusing to license other laboratories to manufaacture it even under license.

I believe that it is important that the body is helped to maintain an even level of health which will enable it to naturally overcome the flues that are ongoing at any point in time. This is not done only by vaccines or Influenzinum.

I have not caught any influenza virus and seem to be immune to it for the 3 years and hope that I will be able to maintain my state of health which I believe I owe to my regular use of just 1 dose which I now take in the wet dose of a teaspoonful of Arnica 30 every night before sleep.

I note that I had inadvertently misspelt Joe Lilliard's name which I had typed JOD in the second line of my post.

This should read as JOE.

Thanks, Joe. I'll call Joe Lillard on Monday and see if I can get through to him. Daniel was very straight on the fact that Bacilinum could ONLY be sold to professionals. What are they afraid of?

Jane

I have just discovered that I have again misspelt Joe's surname which shold read as LILLIARD.

Pardon me for these errors in spelling out Joe's name correctly.

I would prefer that you wait patiently till all the symptoms of colds are OK before you take the Influenzinum as there is a possibility that it may aggravate the problem.

You can also consider using Bacillinum 200 also taken in the 2 doses like the Influenzinum to help you to build up resistance to colds and coughs.

These ailments are best treated as soon as they are starting with:

Colds: Ferr Phos 30x 3 times daily
Throat bugs: Belladonna 30c 4 times daily.

Correction to dosage for colds

Ferr Phos 30x 4 times daily (not 3)