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Then the Lachesis suppressed the insomnia, and caused the worsening of a more important symptom. This is unfortunate, but it is lucky you didn't continue as such treatments can make you harder to cure.

Hi Michelle,

Don't know if you have mentioned this in your thread
anywhere- but when was the last time you had a CBC ( complete
blood count test) and if there are any digestion issues,
a liver panel also?

If you have not done this in some time, I would do it.
Just to have the facts on a physical level and to rule
out deficiencies. You may want to get your Vit D and B levels
checked out too.

Regards,

Simone
[message edited by simone717 on Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:33:35 GMT]

How low is low-like borderline?

Hi- read this from dr.briffa.com about iron levels in women.

He thinks they should be around 50 to feel energetic.


Low iron can cause fatigue in women, and reasons why this treatable condition is so often missed
By Dr John Briffa on 11 July 2012 in Nutrients and Supplements, Women's Health

There’s a lot of reasons why someone may complain of undue fatigue, but there’s a few things that tend to recur. One thing worth looking out for, especially in women, is iron deficiency. Monthly blood loss is a major risk factor for this, obviously, especially if coupled with a diet low in properly iron-rich foods such as red meat and liver. It’s a common problem, and one that is often easily resolved. The problem is it tends to go unrecognised.

A fundamental reason for this, which I describe in this blog post, is that we doctors tend in women to think that fatigue is often caused by anaemia (low levels of the red blood cell pigment haemoglobin that carries oxygen around the body and delivers it to tissues). So, when we see a woman of childbearing age, anaemia is often thought of. Often, though, a blood test will not reveal anaemia as defined by ‘normal’ blood levels.

The normal range of haemoglobin is lower in women than in men. One reason for that might be that women of reproductive age are generally losing blood each month. I remember one of my tutors questioning the wisdom of having a haemoglobin normal range for women lower than that for men. He suggested that we might be simply letting many women be ‘a bit anaemic’.

But even leaving this (I think, valid) thought aside, another problem with checking for anaemia only is that iron deficiency can occur in the absence of anaemia. So, while iron deficiency is a very common cause of anaemia (especially in women), just because a woman is not anaemic does not mean she is not low in iron. And iron deficiency, even in the absence of anaemia, can cause fatigue and other symptoms such as low mood.

Because of this, it makes sense to check for iron levels too. There are several iron-related tests, and the one I’ve found to be most useful for judging overall iron levels in the body is something known as the serum ‘ferritin’ level. However, even when this test is done, we have other problems relating to its interpretation.

This issue relates again to the concept of ‘normal ranges’. Generally, normal ranges encompass 95 per cent of people. That means to have a ‘low’ or ‘high’ reading someone has to be in the bottom or top 2.5 per cent of the population. Some might argue (as I would) that this means to be ‘abnormal’ you have to be really very abnormal, and maybe it would make sense to make the ‘normal’ range narrower.

The normal range for ferritin in women is often about 12-150 ng/ml. That looks quite wide, doesn’t it? Someone with a ‘normal’ ferritin of 12 or 20, say, will still be very much down the low end of the scale, and perhaps be suffering as a result of their low iron.

We do have some evidence that this indeed may be the case in the form of a study which was published this week [1]. Almost 200 women aged 18-53 suffering from fatigue were included in the study. All of them were non-anaemic (haemoglobin levels 12.0 g/dL or more) and had ferritin levels lower than 50 ng/ml. The women were treated with ferrous sulphate (the form of iron most commonly prescribed by doctors) or placebo for a total of 12 weeks.

In the women taking iron, fatigue scores dropped by about half. There was a drop in fatigue scores seen in those taking placebo too, but to a lesser extent. The greater improvement in those taking iron was statistically significant.

This study provides at least some evidence that just being in the ‘normal range’ for iron levels (ferritin) is not enough. I’ve found in practice that, as this study suggests, ferritin levels should be above about 50 ng/ml for someone to feel properly energised.

The form of the iron used in this study (ferrous sulphate) is the last form of iron I’d use in practice, though. It’s generally difficult for the body to absorb this form of iron, and it’s often irritant to the gut and often causes constipation. My preferred form of iron is actually the brand Floradix in liquid form. I find this usually does an efficient job of picking up someone’s iron levels (and energy) where appropriate.
[message edited by simone717 on Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:22:42 GMT]

Have you managed to get hold of the remedy yet?

Oh ok - so has there been anything noticeable as yet?

Hi Michelle,

The Dr. says he looks at the serum feritin levels for the iron.

A lot of people have trouble with iron supplements, and that
is why he is talking about the liquid.

However,he does not know about homeopathy or cell salts.
Many people take Ferrum phos 6x which has minute traces
of the mineral in it and this works very well to rebalance
the cells themselves. Of course your diet has to be right-
the easiest way to absorb it is thru chicken or meat and I
don't know what your diet is like.

You cannot take two remedies at a time, but if me I would
try the Ferrum phos 6x, ( hylands brand tabs at whole foods) 3 tabs, four times a day and see
if you perk up and sleep better, which you would notice in
a few days of doing this. I would try that before I went
onto Prozac.

Ah right - I completely missed that post, and was working on the assumption you were still waiting for the remedy.

These cases are hard to do over an internet forum - I don't like people being on the meds, but I cannot offer the same level of support I could in my face-to-face clinic.

As the symptoms appear to be worsening, can you give me another clear and detailed description of the depression, focussing on your experience of it - deep, dark, spiral, expansive, tornado, moving downward, force, out of control - these are hints to what kind of state you are describing, so if you could go further with these that would really help me.

Well you could try, 2 tabs of Ferrum phos once
a day and see what goes on. It could be the other
salts were wrong for you.

You can overdose on the salts-You have to take
the indicated salt, try it for a few days,
and when things feel better you stop the salt or when new things come up you stop the salt.

But I would get those blood tests done, and have
the facts, to see where you are at right now,
bc I do feel you are depleted and have to fine
tune this and maybe the liquid will work out for
you better.
[message edited by simone717 on Tue, 24 Mar 2015 01:30:09 GMT]

this is what i call "impatience of patient and over confidence of homeopath" destroys the curing process.

the remedy given by homeo.mzp was totally working and the improvement was fine,

insomnia was on the way to cure, and depression treatment takes almost 8 months to show effective improvement,

but this is what is happening.....

regards,
antivirus

yes you are right, i personally suffered from generalized anxiety depressive disorder so i know its treatment is long.

evacationer will surely help you out.

but i can recommend some allopathic drugs for your situation, you can freely ask me.

may god bless and cure you

regards,
antivirus

Well, it was my professional opinion that Direction of cure was incorrect - and dangerous. You would not see insomnia improving while depression worsening.

If we establish the correct OUTWARD movement, you will see the difference.

It is important when dealing with serious conditions to properly understand the principles of homoeopathy and to be able to apply them.

Depression CAN be quite difficult to treat, that I certainly agree with.

All of that aside, I can certain see you are suffering too much. Let me look at what you have written and see if we can prescribe something more appropriate.
[message edited by Evocationer on Wed, 25 Mar 2015 00:16:03 GMT]

Ok, I have spent some more time pouring over your case.

Could you get hold of Sepia 30c. I suspect you will need a deeper acting potency at some point but I want to start you there.

I actually looked at a lot of the physical symptoms as well - the bladder issues, the problems starting after the birth of a child, the early tooth decay, the bleeding gums, the difficulty opening the jaw, the lower back pain. If I then look at the nature of the depression, it certainly looks strongly like the remedy Sepia.

Take one dose to begin with and let me know what happens within 24 hours.