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Hi Murthy !
I am referring to the post you have addressed to me today.

My comments:

You and Rajiv were repeatedly asking me about the books I was using as reference. I just gave you both one name...of DR.V.R.BAJAJ and R.K.TANDON.
(Homeopathic Guide to Family Health)....to see a sample of the comments you both would come out with.

May I inform you...that book devotes a whole chapter to the life and work of Dr. Samuel Hahnemann.

That book has a whole Chapter on 'Organon of Medicine' by 'Dr. Samuel Hahnemann'.

In its chapter on Selection of Remedy ...the authors have reproduced Section 83 to 90 of the Organon.

Frankly, I was be-numbed on reading yours and Rajiv's unpleasant comments (putting it mildly) on that book.

That book is with me since 1992.

Are you assuming that from 1992 to 2006...I wouldn't have read anything about or from the Organon ???

(If just had that limited info about me).

I am again and again stating that your system and my system are different. And the choice was made after 'looking at the other side also'. I found my system more effective.

In that debate I made very important points that are relevant to the growth and acceptance of homeopathy by a larger number of people in the world compared to the acceptability it has today.

Those comments were made in great seriousness and as they have been there in my thoughts for a long time.
(Like the need for an instrument and a unit for measuring the strength of the 'Vital Force').

They relate to observations for the future growth of homeopathy...things that are yet to be discoverd (looking beyond the wall).

My request to you, Rajiv and Jacob is to make considered remarks and not abrupt remarks.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,

I did not make any abrupt remark about you.Go back to that thread and see all the posts in sequence.You called me a 'television reporter' and i kept showing respect to you.I appreciated your knowledge of the materia medica.Next day, i woke up in the morning and when checked this forum page, i saw your aggressive tone and then you derogated me by calling 'kid' etc.I returned the compliment.But in the end i apologised to you for being elder to me.Still i can see that you refuse to tone down your aggresiion.

Can you show me one abrupt remark that i made?That is not the way i am.

If you are thorough with the Organon, good for you.But i can only discuss within the framework of what portion of your knowledge you display through your posts.If you choose to protect your 'brand equity' and still call something hidden from the world as 'my system', what can one make of it?How can a brand have brand equity when what that brand represents is lost upon everyone.If you indeed have a system of homeopathy that you have developed, please write a book and share with the world.Then one can discuss the merits and demerits of that book.But then, a system also has a philosophy behind it, the need for such a system, a proper explanation why the author considers the old system or systems to be a failure and so on.You believe in multiple remedies at the same time.Fine.But what is the philosophy behind it?How do they work?Explain in great detail to the world.If you feel your 'brand equity' will be eroded, then write a book.It will compensate you financially for the information that you shared with the world apart from bringing name and recognition from other homeopaths.But in the absence of a detailed explanation of 'your system', do not claim abut it.

I do not have any personal system.I follow the great masters of homeopathy and learn humbly at their feet.I also learn from other fellow homeopaths and their experiences.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Rajiv,

That was an explaiantion of 'Muna Bhai'....I didn't call you Muna Bhai / kid....heaven's sake!!
Muna bhai came in becoz of the rose flowers.

If you have doubts about the understanding/interpretation of a post...you are welcome to directly ask me thru e-mail.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,

I am again pasting the relevant portion to which i had just referred in my last post on this thread which you had written in my 'honour' a few days ago:


'I can now understand some of your bitterness...which stems out of your illness.

I wish you 'Get Well' and send you a bouquet of roses just like Munna Bhai did to Lucky Singh ...in Munna Bhai Lage Rahoo.

Pankaj Varma

For those who don't understand Hindi:

Muna Bhai Lage Rahoo ....literal meaning...Kid Brother! keep persisting !

Hidden meaning.....Kid Brother ! I may not agree with you ..but I admire your preseverence!'


You made a blanket statement that my 'bitterness' (only you could see bitterness in my open appreciation of your knowledge of materia medica) stems from my 'illness'.What a summary conclusion?How did you know that i am still very ill?While you were busy seeing the 'bitterness' in me, praises kept pouring on me for my loving and compassionate nature.

How can the correct translation of 'Munna Bhai' be 'kid brother'?It will be 'Brother Munna'.If your real intention is only to render an accurate translation, then what was the need to give your hidden (which was openly mentioned) message which was as follows:

'Hidden meaning.....Kid Brother ! I may not agree with you ..but I admire your preseverence!'

I took it as a slight as it is very clear to anyone who has a little knowledge of the English language.So i returned the compliment in a like manner.

This was just to keep the matters straight and to sort it out between you and me.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
quote

'hi ravi,

murthy's theory.

joe'

*********************

hi joe

it made me to laugh.

it is not murth's theory. it is hahn.'s theory. it is homeopathy.

murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Pankaj

Organon is not only about selection of remedy.

It looks to me you read it in bits and pieces.My advice is to read it from cover to cover in one sitting, when your mind is fresh. It may take a couple of hours, but it is worth it.

Coming to the nature of your comments, you have a tendency to hit below the belt.

Your comment on Rajiv's illness is in very poor taste, and it is natural that one reacts strongly,if a reveletion of previous illness, for the sake of discussion, is used to settle scores.

Myself and Rajiv are trying hard to put the bad things that are said behind us.
Please understand it.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Pankaj and Kuldeep, Jacob and Murthy


Homeopathy is an ever expanding science bordering on paraphysics (where matter equals energy), and is a much much advanced system to cure diseases. Allopaths and hard core scientists are still scratching their head about its functionality, so debating about the classical and neoclassical ways of practicing homeopathy wont yield results on this
forum.

I totally agree with Jacob and Murthy, that you cannot go against the basic principles of homeopathy as envisaged by the great Hahnemann. Hahnemannic homeopathy has some basic principles, which if avoided, would put you in such a peril, that you would be completely lost. To cure completely is to follow Hahnemannic homeopathy, but that doesn’t stop anyone to improve the basic principles as well.

Einstein proved that nothing can exceed the speed of light within the laws of known physics, but that law is based on the assumption that you are travelling from point “A” to point “B”. Interestingly if you change the assumption, that is instead of going from point “A” to point “B”, let point “B” come close to point “A” (through molding of space), you will break the basic law of physics. (travelling more than the speed of light)

What I am trying to say is, that Hahnemann is not the final word on homeopathy, he was a great revolutionary who showed us what homeopathy is, and how miraculous it can be, but its upto the scientist/doctors of today and tomorrow, who will make great strides into this remarkable gift which our creator has bestowed on us.

Regards

sazim
 
sazim last decade
Actually, it's HAHNEMANN'S theory, not Muthy's, which would be known had the above poster actually studied the subject in detail.

'As for my prescribing Arnica "right left and center' I can assure you that I do not do so except in the many cases that I have discovered that it helps where the other standard remedies do not.'
Hmm, that's odd, because I have been here only 2 or 3 weeks, and I have seen either Nat Phos or Arnica 'prescribed' by the above person to practically every new body seeking help, and the same on other forums, and also, the 'Arnica wet dose' is something they tout as cure for practically everything from anal fistula to hair loss, including their own nightly dose for keeping them fit at an old age.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Sorry Murthy, I see you have already posted this, my link had only brought me to the second page of this thread, and indeed, it supllied a good chuckle here too ;)


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Hi sazim

You are right. The development shouldn't stop and it didn't stop.

For example Hahn. was not in favor of nosodes. But, you hardly find a classical homeopath who doesn't use them.

Hahn. was highly critical of coffee. Now,many homeopaths feel his views on coffee are not very accurate, and coffee is to be avoided only if the person is addicted to it.

However, the fundamentals of homeopathy remain the same.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Sazim, I could not have put this better myself, and totally agree with all your points, especially the latter, which is, it may suprise some to read, very much the centre of my own work.

As Kent said, 'when Homoeopathy is hundreds of years old, our successors will acquire knowledge that we do not possess now.'
A quote I have always used to defend my own further elaborations and theories based on true doctrine, when these are attacked by others.

It just requires a very good knowledge of the subject to realise what really IS new theory and advancement based on this doctrine, and what is harmful deviation and useless theory.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
'My request to you, Rajiv and Jacob is to make considered remarks and not abrupt remarks.'

That is perhaps the most Ironic and laughable statement I have ever read in my life. Some should try looking in their own graden rather than over the wall to their neighbour's...


(...hmm, this 'profound quote' thing at the end of posts, is becoming quite contageous, maybe I CAN see the point of it...when it actually makes sense that is ;) )


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
'What I am trying to say is, that Hahnemann is not the final word on homeopathy, he was a great revolutionary who showed us what homeopathy is, and how miraculous it can be, but its upto the scientist/doctors of today and tomorrow, who will make great strides into this remarkable gift which our creator has bestowed on us. '

Sazim's quote copied above with which the present company has agreed, epitomizes my own use of Homeopathic remedies which this same company has classified as Joepathy.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe

You don't know anything about homeopathy, except the names of few medicines.

Please back off from this learned discussion.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I did not realize that you could be that RUDE.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
It is remarkable how you descended from Hpathy.com to the ABC a few days ago and proceeded immediately to display your high faluting concept of what to you, is classical homeopathy by keeping on criticizing me and others who have been on this forum for many years and who have spent a lot of time in our dedicated efforts in helping those who post on this forum.

It is a matter of interest to me and to other members of this forum that you have not tried to help by prescribing any remedies to those who post here in the hope of a cure. I would suggest that you put your money where your mouth is and show the resident patients and prescribers here how you would treat an ailment instead of causing so much unnecessary friction by insisting on your own concept of classical homeopathy with your abrasive comments which only serves to disturb the peace and love that this forum was noted for till you invaded it after an absence of many years.



I would like to add that my patients whom I have helped with my own concept of Homeopathy think otherwise. I copy below an example:

re: anal fistula- fissure From overanxious on 2006-10-17
Dearest Jo what an Angel you are!...

I have had the Doc look at me today.. The cut is there and it does keep opening with little blood every two or three weeks. 'No fissure' 'No Fistula' Dry and External Hemroids with its accompanying little hole.. I have ordrered all I need Homeopathically and the Doctor has given me the Antibiotic Ointment for when and if the hole does open up again. I have lost another 3 kg in weight this week. I have gone from being morbidly obese to obese.. heading for just FAT now (Chuckles)

I thank you from the center of my being

re: anal fistula- fissure From Joe De Livera on 2006-10-17
You embarass me with your comments !

I am glad that your doctor reassured you that all is well and the best news is that he gave you that much needed prescription for the Antibiotic ointment which is an essential part of this therapy. Use it liberally to ensure that the lesion is permitted to heal without the bacteria.

Keep on with the Arnica but if you do not have any pus discharge, you can drop the Silicea.

Keep us posted with the progress of your lesion which I feel will quickly heal.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe

You are mistaken that I shy off from prescribing here.

I did so,and got good feedback, even very recently.

See the Nux.Vomica thread.

I will not prescrinbe like you guys at the drop of a hat.

Rajiv and Jacob have already started prescribing here.

I too will do so, when time permits.

But,primarily, I took it upon myself to expose all this pseudo homeopathy.

Unless and until the moderator feels that I am doing a disservice to the patients here, I will continue, in exposing these reckless prescriptions.

I want ABC too to be known as a good homeopathic forum.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Joe

See the Asthma topic .fauzia now comes out with the truth.

Your Nat.sulph therapy did aggravate her daughter.

Now, what do you say?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
If there is a motive to find a fault, it is always present.
 
kuldeep last decade
To Murthy

I am copying below the first post of Fauzia the mother dated May 5 2006 who describes the pathetic condition of her daughter who was a chronic Asthmatic from the age of 1 year. She was on inhalers which she had to use merely to survive right up to the time that I took her case last May and she has been off inhalers for most of the time except when Fauzia panics and either rushes her to the doctor or gives her a puff which is very rarely today.

I am satisfied that the Nat Sulph has helped her as it was prescribed by me, first in the wet dose and then in the split dose but there is nothing that I can do to increase her resistance to URT infections which have invariably brought on an attack of her asthma. This cannot however be adduced to the Nat Sulph merely because the mother panics like she did with her croup which you will note did not bring on her asthma.

I have prescribed Ars Alb 200 to be used whenever she has an attack and cannot breathe and I cannot understand the reason why she does not follow my instructions.

I am considering changing the remedy to Blatta Orientalis 6c to be used in the same manner as the Nat Sulph as I too agree that the Nat Sulph may have reached the end of its ability to help her.

I do wish that I was able to cure the daughter's Asthma as I have done in the case of many other patients but this case seems to be more difficult than others that have responded and are cured as they do not use any remedy any more.

It will be appreciated that the mere fact that one case does not respond in the manner that others have done cannot be shown up as the general rule with the therapies that I have used to cure over 3000 patients on this forum which can be read if you have the patience to do so in the archives where I have over 4500 posts recorded.

I have in another post requested you to 'put your money where your mouth is' and prescribe a remedy to help the patients on the ABC instead of invariably criticizing me and others on this forum.

You are invited to do so and join me in helping to resolve this case. All I am interested in is to see Fauzia's daughter is healed and our joint efforts may succeed where my sole effort has not met with the success that I expected.





asthma

From fauzia
on 2006-05-26
434 replies
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my daughter is 6 and a half yrs old and she is suffering from recurrent wheezing and cough from the age of 1 yr....the doctor diagnosed her as asthma patient...they prescribed her flexotide inhaler for 2 months last yr and ventoline inhaler incase of coughing....she had several asthma attacks of cough and wheezing almost every month till now...this yr also prescribed her of flexotide and ventoline inhalers for two months...but as long as she is on the inhalers she is ok but after a week of withdrawl she starts coughing etcc. atleast almost every night during sleep she coughs...i am really in need of help
i have tried so many homeopathy medicines but no permanent cure...can any of the doctors here help????
 
Joe De Livera last decade
'but this case seems to be more difficult than others that have responded and are cured'
The reason being, that there is no standardised cure for asthma, or any other complaint. Each case is to itself unique, and as stated eleswhere, such cases can only actually be termed CURED, by proper follow up, performed by a practitioner with knowledge of what to look for in terms of signs of supression.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Beliefs!
 
kuldeep last decade
and...'Sazim's quote copied above with which the present company has agreed, epitomizes my own use of Homeopathic remedies which this same company has classified as Joepathy.'
No, it does not, because you sir, do not follow Hahanemann. You merely pick and choose certain assertions he has made to justify your own methods. You would be well advised to actually sit down and read the Organon cover to cover, maybe then you will realise exactly what he would have thought, and indeed DID think of such methods as your own. Whatever it is you think you are practicing, please do not ever think you are following in the footsteps of Hahnemann, because you are most definitely not.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Facts! and 200 years of them too ;)
 
Hahnemania last decade
'It is remarkable how you descended from Hpathy.com to the ABC a few days ago and proceeded immediately to display your high faluting concept of what to you, is classical homeopathy by keeping on criticizing me and others who have been on this forum for many years and who have spent a lot of time in our dedicated efforts in helping those who post on this forum.'

The period of time involved is irrelevant, truth is truth...and wait, of what to Murthy is classical Homoeopathy? Please Joe, tell us, what is YOUR concept of classical Homoeopathy then?
 
Hahnemania last decade
I told you Murthy, hours, not weeks.

and um, I'm glad you um...took it upon yourself...to expose all this pseudo Homoeopathy...


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade

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