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What cannot be explained by known scintific logic is called 'Empirical phenomenon'...or observed phenomenon....that is all.
Quartz crytals release energy on application of external mechanical force....that energy quantum is measurable by electronic instruments.
When materials release energy ...it can be measured.
Further more, law of energy is that it cannot be released from nothing. It is only transformation from one form of energy to another.(Electrical to light in bulb, mechanical to sound in guitar, mechanical to electric in hydropower stations, electrical to mechanical in a mixie..etc. etc.)
Only exception is nuclear energy...which is released by bombardment of nuclear energy generating materials and process is known as 'fusion'....here mass is getting converted into energy and follows the E = mc squared relationship....given by Albert Eienstien.
Pankaj Varma
Quartz crytals release energy on application of external mechanical force....that energy quantum is measurable by electronic instruments.
When materials release energy ...it can be measured.
Further more, law of energy is that it cannot be released from nothing. It is only transformation from one form of energy to another.(Electrical to light in bulb, mechanical to sound in guitar, mechanical to electric in hydropower stations, electrical to mechanical in a mixie..etc. etc.)
Only exception is nuclear energy...which is released by bombardment of nuclear energy generating materials and process is known as 'fusion'....here mass is getting converted into energy and follows the E = mc squared relationship....given by Albert Eienstien.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
This was the question..
'Hi Pankaj
If there is no dynamic energy (which you can't measure) in the homeopathic medicines, how do you explain their working? '
You have not answered it.
Murthy
'Hi Pankaj
If there is no dynamic energy (which you can't measure) in the homeopathic medicines, how do you explain their working? '
You have not answered it.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Explaination:
A permanently-polarized material such as quartz (SiO2) or barium titanate (BaTiO3) will produce an electric field when the material changes dimensions as a result of an imposed mechanical force. These materials are piezoelectric, and this phenomenon is known as the piezoelectric effect.
Conversely, an applied electric field can cause a piezoelectric material to change dimensions. This phenomenon is known as electrostriction, or the reverse piezoelectric effect.
Piezoelectric Effect
Reverse Piezoelectric Effect
Piezoelectric materials are used in acoustic transducers, which convert acoustic (sound) waves into electric fields, and electric fields into acoustic waves. Transducers are found in telephones, stereo music systems, and musical instruments such as guitars and drums.
Quartz, a piezoelectric material, is often found in clocks and watches. An oscillating electric field makes the quartz crystal resonate at its natural frequency. The vibrations of this frequency are counted and are used to keep the clock or watch on time.
A permanently-polarized material such as quartz (SiO2) or barium titanate (BaTiO3) will produce an electric field when the material changes dimensions as a result of an imposed mechanical force. These materials are piezoelectric, and this phenomenon is known as the piezoelectric effect.
Conversely, an applied electric field can cause a piezoelectric material to change dimensions. This phenomenon is known as electrostriction, or the reverse piezoelectric effect.
Piezoelectric Effect
Reverse Piezoelectric Effect
Piezoelectric materials are used in acoustic transducers, which convert acoustic (sound) waves into electric fields, and electric fields into acoustic waves. Transducers are found in telephones, stereo music systems, and musical instruments such as guitars and drums.
Quartz, a piezoelectric material, is often found in clocks and watches. An oscillating electric field makes the quartz crystal resonate at its natural frequency. The vibrations of this frequency are counted and are used to keep the clock or watch on time.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
If I had a cogent and convincing answer...I wouldn't have asked the question of measurement of the energy release.
That is why I started my post saying 'Empirical phenomenon'....one that is observed.
What is observed is this:
You give homeopathic med in high potency to an individual and it generates some changes in his / her system.
That is all. (period).
If you try to explain it then you hit a dead end:
No energy transformation that can be measured, no substance to cause chemical/biological reaction ...proofs have not been found as of now!!!!!!!
If there are proofs available, please enlighten me.
Thanks,
Pankaj Varma
That is why I started my post saying 'Empirical phenomenon'....one that is observed.
What is observed is this:
You give homeopathic med in high potency to an individual and it generates some changes in his / her system.
That is all. (period).
If you try to explain it then you hit a dead end:
No energy transformation that can be measured, no substance to cause chemical/biological reaction ...proofs have not been found as of now!!!!!!!
If there are proofs available, please enlighten me.
Thanks,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
DO NOT THINK OF 'ENERGY'
Do not think of Dilution / potency.
THINK ONLY OF DRUG SIGNATURE / PICTURE and its intensity.
TO THE ABOVE QUESTION, PLEASE READ Nesha-India's answer to question by 'sazim' in
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/50156/1, ''specially post dated 17 February 2006''
- AND -
Also read http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/4
''specially post dated : 30 January 2006 & 09 December 2005'' & other posts.
CONSIDER THIS QUOTE :
'It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious'
Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
Do not think of Dilution / potency.
THINK ONLY OF DRUG SIGNATURE / PICTURE and its intensity.
TO THE ABOVE QUESTION, PLEASE READ Nesha-India's answer to question by 'sazim' in
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/50156/1, ''specially post dated 17 February 2006''
- AND -
Also read http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/35254/4
''specially post dated : 30 January 2006 & 09 December 2005'' & other posts.
CONSIDER THIS QUOTE :
'It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious'
Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
Nesha-India last decade
Yes Nisha,
Appreciate your answers on that thread and regard your understanding of homeopathy.
It is the drug picture vs. the disease picture and an appropriate potency selection..they trigger the Immune system ....which then takes over.
Science has still to explain how the trigger mechanism works...doesn't matter...it works...that is more important.
Thanks,
Pankaj Varma
Appreciate your answers on that thread and regard your understanding of homeopathy.
It is the drug picture vs. the disease picture and an appropriate potency selection..they trigger the Immune system ....which then takes over.
Science has still to explain how the trigger mechanism works...doesn't matter...it works...that is more important.
Thanks,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
I have said what i had to say.I have said nothing new.It is all very well known that homeopathic medicines work.That there is no matter in them.That there is something which happens in the dilution and succussion process which makes simple alcohol into a homeopathic remedy.That what that 'something' is has not yet been understood by 'Science'.I don't care if you are an Electronics Engineer or the greatest scientist of this world.It is a fact that Science of today has not reached the level where they can understand this 'homeopathic phenomenon', forget measuring it.It is too tough a problem for the 'Science' itself.Forget the poor lab technologist.
Your problem starts with the word 'energy' which raises visions of different kinds of energies which have been measured or are measurable by Science.This 'homeopathic energy or power or whatever is there in the alcohol, is not measurable or traceable by any means.Not till now at least.
Arguing beyond this is meaningless.Let us stop it now.By the way, if you can develop a means to trace and measure this 'healing energy' using your skills as an Electronic Engineereven if in collaboration with some Lab Technologist, both of you would become immortal in the history of Science and get the Noble Prize too.
Rajiv
I have said what i had to say.I have said nothing new.It is all very well known that homeopathic medicines work.That there is no matter in them.That there is something which happens in the dilution and succussion process which makes simple alcohol into a homeopathic remedy.That what that 'something' is has not yet been understood by 'Science'.I don't care if you are an Electronics Engineer or the greatest scientist of this world.It is a fact that Science of today has not reached the level where they can understand this 'homeopathic phenomenon', forget measuring it.It is too tough a problem for the 'Science' itself.Forget the poor lab technologist.
Your problem starts with the word 'energy' which raises visions of different kinds of energies which have been measured or are measurable by Science.This 'homeopathic energy or power or whatever is there in the alcohol, is not measurable or traceable by any means.Not till now at least.
Arguing beyond this is meaningless.Let us stop it now.By the way, if you can develop a means to trace and measure this 'healing energy' using your skills as an Electronic Engineereven if in collaboration with some Lab Technologist, both of you would become immortal in the history of Science and get the Noble Prize too.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
We were discussing a subject...no need to go off the edge !!
You contributed some meaning ful things there.
It all started with the distinctions between potency and dilution.
Cheer up.
Pankaj Varma
We were discussing a subject...no need to go off the edge !!
You contributed some meaning ful things there.
It all started with the distinctions between potency and dilution.
Cheer up.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
I don't think i went off the edge.Otherwise i would have apologised.I don't like to offend anyone.I wanted to make my point clear and hence the use of superlatives.You can do your research and find out if what i said is correct or not.
In the end, what matters is that these remedies work.There is a rich philosophy, tradition and current practice which supports this subject.A homeopath hardly needs to worry about when or how Science will be able to explain this.If he knows his materia medica well and understands the 'laws of cure', he can help many people regain health.
All the best.
Rajiv
I don't think i went off the edge.Otherwise i would have apologised.I don't like to offend anyone.I wanted to make my point clear and hence the use of superlatives.You can do your research and find out if what i said is correct or not.
In the end, what matters is that these remedies work.There is a rich philosophy, tradition and current practice which supports this subject.A homeopath hardly needs to worry about when or how Science will be able to explain this.If he knows his materia medica well and understands the 'laws of cure', he can help many people regain health.
All the best.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Hi joe,
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. One word for you 'Ubuntu' its african word which means life towards huminity.
One doubt, plz don't mind on Jan 2004 in below email you were stated you would be 80 on october and your birthday was October 19th 1929. I dont understand your exact age.. are you really that old ?
site:.otherhealth . com/homeopathy-list-discussion
To Shannon
' I will be 80 years old in October and I believe that I am the best example of how Arnica which I have taken since 1996 '
Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. One word for you 'Ubuntu' its african word which means life towards huminity.
One doubt, plz don't mind on Jan 2004 in below email you were stated you would be 80 on october and your birthday was October 19th 1929. I dont understand your exact age.. are you really that old ?
site:.otherhealth . com/homeopathy-list-discussion
To Shannon
' I will be 80 years old in October and I believe that I am the best example of how Arnica which I have taken since 1996 '
Pawan Wairagade last decade
Pawan
Glad that you liked my post which intrigues me as it was first made by me in January 2004 which is all of 8 years ago which makes me 83 years old and thank God I am still alive and kicking in the same manner that I have been doing for the last, say 70 years of my life.
I must also give Arnica the credit due to its miraculous power to maintain life at an optimum level and I would refer you to my article 'Arnica the Miracle Remedy' on
http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66.
I drive daily to work and back and I am the CEO of a family owned business which was established by my late father in 1924 before I was born and in which my youngest son is now in charge of, although I still call the 'shots'. I spend about 2-3 hours on Homeoapthy on this ABC and my own Website and also try to help any patients who consult me in office when I give my services and the medicines free of charge.
A good example of the 'proof of the pudding' in my affinity to Homeopathy and more especially Arnica is the fact that no one who meets me believes my age which they usually estimate at around 65 years. I do not bear the usual signs of old age and do not sport any wrinkles on my skin. I do not have any aches and pains in my body and I exercise daily for around 45 minutes to lift my heart bpm to 115 for about 10 minutes. Sometimes to 120 if I feel good.
If you will spend some time on my Website you will read more about my research into Homeopathy which I have 'simplified' into what the classical homeopaths on this and other forums have derisively classified as 'Joepathy' which is an aspect of this curative art which is practical and works in a manner more positively to cure than classical homeopathy which in the majority of cases just gives the suffering patient the run around while the classical homeopath beats about the bush as instructed by the classical exponents of this science.
I am not alone in my 'this for that' therapy and you will tead if you visit the website below:
PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/
Where do you live?
Joe
Glad that you liked my post which intrigues me as it was first made by me in January 2004 which is all of 8 years ago which makes me 83 years old and thank God I am still alive and kicking in the same manner that I have been doing for the last, say 70 years of my life.
I must also give Arnica the credit due to its miraculous power to maintain life at an optimum level and I would refer you to my article 'Arnica the Miracle Remedy' on
http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66.
I drive daily to work and back and I am the CEO of a family owned business which was established by my late father in 1924 before I was born and in which my youngest son is now in charge of, although I still call the 'shots'. I spend about 2-3 hours on Homeoapthy on this ABC and my own Website and also try to help any patients who consult me in office when I give my services and the medicines free of charge.
A good example of the 'proof of the pudding' in my affinity to Homeopathy and more especially Arnica is the fact that no one who meets me believes my age which they usually estimate at around 65 years. I do not bear the usual signs of old age and do not sport any wrinkles on my skin. I do not have any aches and pains in my body and I exercise daily for around 45 minutes to lift my heart bpm to 115 for about 10 minutes. Sometimes to 120 if I feel good.
If you will spend some time on my Website you will read more about my research into Homeopathy which I have 'simplified' into what the classical homeopaths on this and other forums have derisively classified as 'Joepathy' which is an aspect of this curative art which is practical and works in a manner more positively to cure than classical homeopathy which in the majority of cases just gives the suffering patient the run around while the classical homeopath beats about the bush as instructed by the classical exponents of this science.
I am not alone in my 'this for that' therapy and you will tead if you visit the website below:
PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/
Where do you live?
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Hi again Joe... I am from India. I am also suffered from skin disoder 'Eczema' , on both palms and right ankle(dark spot about 1.5 cm in diameter area). taking your remidies from yesterday only, but with Arnica 30C pallet not liquid(ethanol).
My father also have Eczema(Psoriasis not confirmed but symptoms are as similar to my eczema). Strange part is , eczema was develope first in me then after some period time his sysmptoms were appeared. Now he has eczema on this both ankle, palms and left elbow, it has dry, sometimes gets deep cracks on fingers.
i will give try on me first ... lets see.. hope for best... also forgot to mention from last few months having gases issue in my stomach. Should i take Nat Phos 6x ? in wet dose or pallets?
Regards,
Pawan
[message edited by Pawan Wairagade on Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:52:33 GMT]
My father also have Eczema(Psoriasis not confirmed but symptoms are as similar to my eczema). Strange part is , eczema was develope first in me then after some period time his sysmptoms were appeared. Now he has eczema on this both ankle, palms and left elbow, it has dry, sometimes gets deep cracks on fingers.
i will give try on me first ... lets see.. hope for best... also forgot to mention from last few months having gases issue in my stomach. Should i take Nat Phos 6x ? in wet dose or pallets?
Regards,
Pawan
[message edited by Pawan Wairagade on Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:52:33 GMT]
Pawan Wairagade last decade
Pawan
The remedy for your Eczema is Arnica 3c in the Wet dose NOT 30c.
The pellets are of no use whatever. If you wish to be CURED the Rx is copied below. You can also give it to your father who should hopefully respond in the same manner.
It is necessary that you follow my therapy literally and the topical or application of the liquid from the bottle directly on the skin as often as possible is also essential.
The remedy is made up as follows:
Order the remedy in the Liquid Dilution in Alcohol in a bottle with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake it hard to produce bubbles. This is homeopathic succussion and must be done every time before a capful of the bottle which is the dose is taken as directed.
Take a capful of the remedy water twice daily and also apply the water on your lesions as often as possible.
You should observe some improvement in your condition on about the third day into this therapy.
Please report your response on the third day.
It is understood that you will not take any other drug while using the Arnica therapy.
The remedy for your Eczema is Arnica 3c in the Wet dose NOT 30c.
The pellets are of no use whatever. If you wish to be CURED the Rx is copied below. You can also give it to your father who should hopefully respond in the same manner.
It is necessary that you follow my therapy literally and the topical or application of the liquid from the bottle directly on the skin as often as possible is also essential.
The remedy is made up as follows:
Order the remedy in the Liquid Dilution in Alcohol in a bottle with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake it hard to produce bubbles. This is homeopathic succussion and must be done every time before a capful of the bottle which is the dose is taken as directed.
Take a capful of the remedy water twice daily and also apply the water on your lesions as often as possible.
You should observe some improvement in your condition on about the third day into this therapy.
Please report your response on the third day.
It is understood that you will not take any other drug while using the Arnica therapy.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks joe for you prompt reply.. is it 6c or 3c .. bit confused?
I aleardy had taken 30C. Is good stop 30c dose and then use 3c/6c dose?
I aleardy had taken 30C. Is good stop 30c dose and then use 3c/6c dose?
Pawan Wairagade last decade
In the past, I had prescribed the 6C, but I have recently been informed by patients that the 3C is more effective than the 6C in the wet dose In the treatment of Eczema.
Since you have already taken the 30 C you may stop it for a few days and start on the 3C in the Wet dose in 3 days time.
Since you have already taken the 30 C you may stop it for a few days and start on the 3C in the Wet dose in 3 days time.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
ok. few days means how many days exactly Joe?
I will get 3c in liquid form and will follow your preparation and suggestion.
I will get 3c in liquid form and will follow your preparation and suggestion.
Pawan Wairagade last decade
Hello Joe,
Greetings!!
I have stopped 30c dose now and will go for 3c dose. As far as for dose 30c there is slight improvement in these three days, i mean, thick skin becoming thinner .... will update you for 3c .
thanks for you kind guidance :) take care
[message edited by Pawan Wairagade on Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:49:50 GMT]
Greetings!!
I have stopped 30c dose now and will go for 3c dose. As far as for dose 30c there is slight improvement in these three days, i mean, thick skin becoming thinner .... will update you for 3c .
thanks for you kind guidance :) take care
[message edited by Pawan Wairagade on Wed, 14 Mar 2012 06:49:50 GMT]
Pawan Wairagade last decade
Hi Joe,
its really hard to find the Arnica 3C dose. I have bought 6C dose and will go for it.
i will update you on this.
One more this, is it safe to use homeopathic medicine to pregnant woman?
Below is my post for my wife
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/326317/
Please reply
its really hard to find the Arnica 3C dose. I have bought 6C dose and will go for it.
i will update you on this.
One more this, is it safe to use homeopathic medicine to pregnant woman?
Below is my post for my wife
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/326317/
Please reply
Pawan Wairagade last decade
I believe that you live in India and if so, cannot understand your difficulty to get Arnica 3c.
You may use the 6c potency for Eczema but the 3c is better.
Remember to take the 6c in the Wet dose twice daily and also dampen the lesion/s with the water from the bottle as often as you can do so as this accelerates the cure.
I see that another advisor is treating your wife and have put in my post to observe progress as I will then get an automatic email.
I would prefer that she does not take any drugs or homeopathic remedies during the first Trimester as this is a critical period but after this time it will be OK.
She can then start on Arnica 30 in the Wet dose taken just once daily and you can report her response.
You may use the 6c potency for Eczema but the 3c is better.
Remember to take the 6c in the Wet dose twice daily and also dampen the lesion/s with the water from the bottle as often as you can do so as this accelerates the cure.
I see that another advisor is treating your wife and have put in my post to observe progress as I will then get an automatic email.
I would prefer that she does not take any drugs or homeopathic remedies during the first Trimester as this is a critical period but after this time it will be OK.
She can then start on Arnica 30 in the Wet dose taken just once daily and you can report her response.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Hello Joe,
As I have searched in local stores first and unable to find out there. Yes, I can get it from other area but need to search hard :).
Thanks for your time to look into my post Joe.
As I have searched in local stores first and unable to find out there. Yes, I can get it from other area but need to search hard :).
Thanks for your time to look into my post Joe.
Pawan Wairagade last decade
seems like 6c works .. there is small improvemnt on my eczema. Will update futher on progress.
Thanks
Thanks
Pawan Wairagade last decade
Glad to note that you have discovered that Arnica 6c in the Wet dose has helped your Eczema.
I hope that you remembered that while taking it orally, you must also apply it topically directly on the lesions as often as is possible as this accelerates the cure.
You can even keep the lesion damp with the Arnica remedy water by covering with a gauze but do not keep it on for more than an hour at a time as this is counterproductive.
Keep me advised of your progress.
I do hope that the classical homeopaths will visit this thread to learn how Joepathy works in a manner that can be considered is better than all their classical homeopathy put together. No classical homeopath will ever use Arnica for Eczema simply because he was never taught that Arnica and other remedies can be used to help cure diseases not listed in the classical texts.
I hope that you remembered that while taking it orally, you must also apply it topically directly on the lesions as often as is possible as this accelerates the cure.
You can even keep the lesion damp with the Arnica remedy water by covering with a gauze but do not keep it on for more than an hour at a time as this is counterproductive.
Keep me advised of your progress.
I do hope that the classical homeopaths will visit this thread to learn how Joepathy works in a manner that can be considered is better than all their classical homeopathy put together. No classical homeopath will ever use Arnica for Eczema simply because he was never taught that Arnica and other remedies can be used to help cure diseases not listed in the classical texts.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Are you using the 6c or the 3c?
If it is the 6c you have your answer as to the reason why your Eczema has not responded as it should do otherwise.
If it is the 6c you have your answer as to the reason why your Eczema has not responded as it should do otherwise.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
taking biochemic/tissue salt .. drastic improvement showing on skin ... Silica 6x (Skin salt), Kali Mur 6x, kali phos 6x ... 2 tablets thrice a day and I have taken Nat Mur 6x several times.. I have stopped Arnica now as there were no effect for skin problem may be I came under 20%. Anyway thanks for your guidance and help ... because of you only i got very interest in Homeopathy . I read lot of stuff on internet.
Regards,
Pawan Wairagade
Regards,
Pawan Wairagade
Pawan Wairagade last decade
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