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The Ultimate Cure for Obesity
This is my Christmas Gift which I would like to share with all who are overweight.A few months ago I discovered that Natrum Phosphoricum (Nat Phos) 6x which I had given a few friends who came to me complaining of acidity after meals, also had a most unusual reaction on their weight. They discovered that they shed their weight by between 2 to 3 kg per month, on their normal daily regimen of eating and exercise. They informed me that they passed more water than usual and that they felt much lighter in their bodies and were happy to be able to use their old garments which they had been compelled to discard over the years.
My discovery may be considered as unbelievable but it is indeed true as anyone who is overweight can discover for him or her self. The use of Nat Phos 6x on a daily basis is quite safe as it constitutes a concentration of only 1/1Millionth of the salt. It promotes Peristalysis in the stomach and gut thereby reducing the build up of acidity in the stomach which leads to heart burn. It has been in use for many years as the ultimate remedy for acidity especially after a heavy meal but it has never been used, as far as I know, to reduce weight. The dose is 3 tablets Nat Phos 6x taken twice daily, or 2 tablets taken thrice daily, preferably after meals.
It is possible that my discovery can be considered as an important milestone in the Materia Medica of Homeopathic Remedies for the treatment of Obesity and I would recommend that those who use this simple remedy will please post their observations on their weight loss on this Forum.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all.
Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka
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♥ Joe De Livera on 2004-12-25
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On Joe's advice I started taking Nat.Phos 6x,as advised,and I am glad to report that it seems working.
I started just a week back and I can already see improvement in terms of feeling of lightness,and improved agility.
I am now 112Kg and will report back on 1st Jan'05.
Murthy
I started just a week back and I can already see improvement in terms of feeling of lightness,and improved agility.
I am now 112Kg and will report back on 1st Jan'05.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy,
I am copying below some information on Nat Phos which may give some clue to how this salt works in the reduction of weight :
NATRUM PHOSPHORICUM
Sodium and Phosphate ions are to be found in our body in the muscle, nerve and brain cells, in the blood corpuscles and in the tissue fluids. According to Dr Schuessler, Nat Phos splits the lactic acid, which is produced by the work of muscles into carbonic acid and water. The carbonic acid is absorbed by the sodium phosphate and brought to the lungs where it is eliminated in the process of breathing. If Sodium phosphate is lacking, there results an excess of lactic acid and consequently a sour taste, heart burn, sour stools, vomiting of sour, caseous matter, particularly in babies who are overfed with sugar and milk. If lactic acid reaches the lymphatic glands, the albumin of the3 lymph coagulates and the gland begins to swell. In the initial stages of swelling of the lymphatic glands therefore, Nat Phos has a healing effect because it can split lactic acid. Mat Phos further assures that the uric acid of the blood which is formed by the splitting up of the albuminous substance is kept in solution and secreted by the kidneys. Should this not be the case, uric acid dill be deposited in the joints. The sequels are Rheumatism. Gout, Sciatica, Lumbago. In the gall Nat Phos saponifies the fatty acids which have been consumed with the food. It is hence indicated against digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat. Nat Phos also dissolves Cholesterol.
Joe
I am copying below some information on Nat Phos which may give some clue to how this salt works in the reduction of weight :
NATRUM PHOSPHORICUM
Sodium and Phosphate ions are to be found in our body in the muscle, nerve and brain cells, in the blood corpuscles and in the tissue fluids. According to Dr Schuessler, Nat Phos splits the lactic acid, which is produced by the work of muscles into carbonic acid and water. The carbonic acid is absorbed by the sodium phosphate and brought to the lungs where it is eliminated in the process of breathing. If Sodium phosphate is lacking, there results an excess of lactic acid and consequently a sour taste, heart burn, sour stools, vomiting of sour, caseous matter, particularly in babies who are overfed with sugar and milk. If lactic acid reaches the lymphatic glands, the albumin of the3 lymph coagulates and the gland begins to swell. In the initial stages of swelling of the lymphatic glands therefore, Nat Phos has a healing effect because it can split lactic acid. Mat Phos further assures that the uric acid of the blood which is formed by the splitting up of the albuminous substance is kept in solution and secreted by the kidneys. Should this not be the case, uric acid dill be deposited in the joints. The sequels are Rheumatism. Gout, Sciatica, Lumbago. In the gall Nat Phos saponifies the fatty acids which have been consumed with the food. It is hence indicated against digestive disturbances resulting from excessive consumption of fat. Nat Phos also dissolves Cholesterol.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks Joe,for the added information.
I am a sedentary person,and I shall not change any of my habits,till I use Nat.Phos for a month.
This way,the results can be assesssed properly.I really wish it works.Let us see.
I am hopeful.If I can reduce even 4 kg. in a month,I will say,it will be wonderful.
Murthy
I am a sedentary person,and I shall not change any of my habits,till I use Nat.Phos for a month.
This way,the results can be assesssed properly.I really wish it works.Let us see.
I am hopeful.If I can reduce even 4 kg. in a month,I will say,it will be wonderful.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Joe,
I ordered Nat Phos 6x by mail but received Nat Phos 10x (they always send the next lowest strength if they do not have the strength I am requesting).
Will 10x work the same way for my weight or should I look furthur until I get the remedy in 6x strength?
Hoping 10x will work.
Merry Christmas.
I ordered Nat Phos 6x by mail but received Nat Phos 10x (they always send the next lowest strength if they do not have the strength I am requesting).
Will 10x work the same way for my weight or should I look furthur until I get the remedy in 6x strength?
Hoping 10x will work.
Merry Christmas.
peace last decade
Peace,
I presume that the Nat Phos 10x shoud also have the same effect but I have no experience using this potency as all my experiments have been carried out with 6x.
There is no doubt now that this simple remedy works in the reduction of weight. I have received reports from many people to whom I had recommended it both here in Sri Lanka and abroad that their weight reduction is in the order of 2-5kg per week in the first week but this rate seems to taper down after about a month, depending on how heavy the person was. It is quite safe to be used on a daily basis as it is 1/1Millionth of the salt. Please keep a note of your weight today and the reduction every week.
I presume that you have already received the Arnica 6c for your son suffering from eczema which we were discussing in another thread. I would like to know how he has reacted to the Arnica therapy.
Joe
I presume that the Nat Phos 10x shoud also have the same effect but I have no experience using this potency as all my experiments have been carried out with 6x.
There is no doubt now that this simple remedy works in the reduction of weight. I have received reports from many people to whom I had recommended it both here in Sri Lanka and abroad that their weight reduction is in the order of 2-5kg per week in the first week but this rate seems to taper down after about a month, depending on how heavy the person was. It is quite safe to be used on a daily basis as it is 1/1Millionth of the salt. Please keep a note of your weight today and the reduction every week.
I presume that you have already received the Arnica 6c for your son suffering from eczema which we were discussing in another thread. I would like to know how he has reacted to the Arnica therapy.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Joe De Livera,
The information which you pasted above is of natrium phos and not natrium phos 6x.
The action of natrium phos is different as compare to the natrium phos 6x in the body.
For rest of the information, I have no idea. May be it worked for you.
w
The information which you pasted above is of natrium phos and not natrium phos 6x.
The action of natrium phos is different as compare to the natrium phos 6x in the body.
For rest of the information, I have no idea. May be it worked for you.
w
william last decade
William,
You are quite correct that the quotation that I copied was of NATRIUM Phosphoricum and not NATRUM Phosphoricum. However it can safely be presumed that the author of The Handbook of Biochemistry Mohammad Masood Qureshi referred to the same Biochemic salt that we all know and use as Nat Phos. You will note that this publication is only a translation of the original work by Dr Deter's work which bears the same title.
He has also specified the potency of this salt at 6x on page 111 as the most commonly used potency where he refers to the dosage used. It can therefore be presumed that my quotation also refers to the same 6x potency that I have successfully used to reduce weight in many obese persons.
The main point to be considered is that I have discovered that this remedy actually works whenever it is used to reduce weight. In fact I have not had any case of a failure so far and since you seem sceptical that it only worked for me and not others, you are welcome to try it out to verify if it does work and I shall be interested in your findings.
I may also mention here that I am 173 cm tall and weigh 68.2 kg at age 75. As a result I have not used Nat Phos 6x to reduce my weight but only use it to help with my digestion occasionally whenever I feel uncomfortable after a meal.
Joe De Livera
You are quite correct that the quotation that I copied was of NATRIUM Phosphoricum and not NATRUM Phosphoricum. However it can safely be presumed that the author of The Handbook of Biochemistry Mohammad Masood Qureshi referred to the same Biochemic salt that we all know and use as Nat Phos. You will note that this publication is only a translation of the original work by Dr Deter's work which bears the same title.
He has also specified the potency of this salt at 6x on page 111 as the most commonly used potency where he refers to the dosage used. It can therefore be presumed that my quotation also refers to the same 6x potency that I have successfully used to reduce weight in many obese persons.
The main point to be considered is that I have discovered that this remedy actually works whenever it is used to reduce weight. In fact I have not had any case of a failure so far and since you seem sceptical that it only worked for me and not others, you are welcome to try it out to verify if it does work and I shall be interested in your findings.
I may also mention here that I am 173 cm tall and weigh 68.2 kg at age 75. As a result I have not used Nat Phos 6x to reduce my weight but only use it to help with my digestion occasionally whenever I feel uncomfortable after a meal.
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Could Nat Phosp work for someone who is not obese but overweight? Since this remedy is related to ionic components in body fluids, could this weight loss be due to loss of water? Level of salts in body fluids is related to fluid retention- the more salts, the more water retention. I am worried that the weight lost in such a manner may come back once one stops taking the remedy.
catchmehere44 last decade
I wonder when Overweight becomes Obesity. I believe that both are due to the same factors and that Nat Phos 6x works for both problems.
My findings are that Nat Phos reduces weight by increasing the frequency of passing water which results in the weight reduction.
I believe that it will be up to person suffering from overweight to use the opportunity when his/her weight is reduced to do more exercise and to eat less in order that the benefit that the Nat Phos gives them is not wasted.
My findings are that Nat Phos reduces weight by increasing the frequency of passing water which results in the weight reduction.
I believe that it will be up to person suffering from overweight to use the opportunity when his/her weight is reduced to do more exercise and to eat less in order that the benefit that the Nat Phos gives them is not wasted.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
I understand that exercise and moderation in eating habits would have to be exercised in order to maintain weight. However, water weight that is lost may be regained more easily because it is related to salt content in one's food etc.
catchmehere44 last decade
I am with Catchmehere.
To reduce weight in a healthy manner, you need to lose the "fat" content of your body, not the "water" content.
To reduce weight in a healthy manner, you need to lose the "fat" content of your body, not the "water" content.
magicure last decade
You have made an interesting point on whether Nat Phos will reduce the fat but I have no positive evidence on how the weight reduction occurs as my accidental discovery that this remedy reduces weight is now only 2 months old. I do know however that those who use this remedy pass more water than usual and it is therefore obvious that this leaching of the excess water is responsible for the reduction of weight.
I believe that it is far safer than all Diuretics that are used in Alopathy to promote urination. I know that one has to use Potassium to replace the loss when using any Diuretic but I have no evidence that this is necessary when using Nat Phos 6x. It would be interesting to analyze the urine within a week after taking the remedy. I presume that some control can be exercised over the weight loss by regulating the number of tablets taken and the frequency. I do know however that 2 tablets taken just twice daily works in weight reduction and perhaps this can be recommended as the standard safe dose. It is possible that this dosage can be yet lowered but this will have to be the subject of further tests before we can make any positive recommendations.
I do hope that qualified scientists will take over soon and carry tests out to figure out what the optimum dosage is for this remedy when used for weight reduction. The main thing is that it really works unlike others which may or may not work to achieve the same effect. This remedy at 6x is the equivalent of 1/1millionth of the salt as I mentioned in a previous post , and I don't think that at this very low potency, it can do any harm to the body. However we will only know after trials are carried out in greater detail in the future.
It is my fervent hope that it will not be commercialzed by interested pharmaceutical firms and sold as the Magic weight reduction remedy at the usual exorbitant prices at which Alopathic drugs are sold. The cost here in Sri Lanka of 1 tablet is about US $0.002 which is virtually nothing. 450 gm of these pills costs $4.00 and this package contains about 3000 pills. I have not really counted the pack but this is an estimate.
I believe that it is far safer than all Diuretics that are used in Alopathy to promote urination. I know that one has to use Potassium to replace the loss when using any Diuretic but I have no evidence that this is necessary when using Nat Phos 6x. It would be interesting to analyze the urine within a week after taking the remedy. I presume that some control can be exercised over the weight loss by regulating the number of tablets taken and the frequency. I do know however that 2 tablets taken just twice daily works in weight reduction and perhaps this can be recommended as the standard safe dose. It is possible that this dosage can be yet lowered but this will have to be the subject of further tests before we can make any positive recommendations.
I do hope that qualified scientists will take over soon and carry tests out to figure out what the optimum dosage is for this remedy when used for weight reduction. The main thing is that it really works unlike others which may or may not work to achieve the same effect. This remedy at 6x is the equivalent of 1/1millionth of the salt as I mentioned in a previous post , and I don't think that at this very low potency, it can do any harm to the body. However we will only know after trials are carried out in greater detail in the future.
It is my fervent hope that it will not be commercialzed by interested pharmaceutical firms and sold as the Magic weight reduction remedy at the usual exorbitant prices at which Alopathic drugs are sold. The cost here in Sri Lanka of 1 tablet is about US $0.002 which is virtually nothing. 450 gm of these pills costs $4.00 and this package contains about 3000 pills. I have not really counted the pack but this is an estimate.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
I have no objection on your experience with Nat Phos 6x for reducing weight. Rather I will appreciate that you shared your experience at forum.
I do practice remedies according to the sign and symptoms. If in my patient, if I would be find sign and symptoms of Nat phos in obese person, I will never hestitate to use nat phos but if the sign and symptoms are not there then I will be reluctant to use nat phos just not on plea that nat phos in 6x reduces weight.
There are lot of clinical tips like you mentioned about nat phos but this is no rule.
You said whenever you used nat phos, you got result is simply not believeable and neither acceptable. This only shows your intentions that nat phos is very important remedy for reducing weight.
The books of homeopathy are full of clinical tips. I was reading in a book about lycopodium. The writer said, I have use lycopodium on thousand and thousands of patients on impotency and it worked like a missile. But I never got result from this remedy in below 45 years of age. Yes, this remedy has very good result in old age person, if sign and symptoms matches with this remedy.
This does not mean that everybody start using lycopodium just due to this fact that a writer claimed so much about a remedy. Yes, writer's claimes should be taken as clinical experience and we should keep that observation in our mind while treating our patients but this does not mean that we start blindly using that remedy without taking full case analysis. This will expoil your cases.
If you will do it then you will "OCCASIONLY" use the remedy again and again and will not cure your case.
Just like you admitted in your own case where you said,
You said "I have not used Nat Phos 6x to reduce my weight but only use it to help with my (digestion occasionally) whenever I feel uncomfortable after a meal."
This also confirms that you do not take your symptoms and always use nat phos for your digestion problem. Although you also got results but never cured your complaints. Due to the same reason you are always using nat phos.
You are also saying right and I am also not wrong. :) Actually, this habit does not cure cases. ;)
I hope you have followed what I was trying to say. :D
Thanks for sharing your views on Nat Phos.
W
I have no objection on your experience with Nat Phos 6x for reducing weight. Rather I will appreciate that you shared your experience at forum.
I do practice remedies according to the sign and symptoms. If in my patient, if I would be find sign and symptoms of Nat phos in obese person, I will never hestitate to use nat phos but if the sign and symptoms are not there then I will be reluctant to use nat phos just not on plea that nat phos in 6x reduces weight.
There are lot of clinical tips like you mentioned about nat phos but this is no rule.
You said whenever you used nat phos, you got result is simply not believeable and neither acceptable. This only shows your intentions that nat phos is very important remedy for reducing weight.
The books of homeopathy are full of clinical tips. I was reading in a book about lycopodium. The writer said, I have use lycopodium on thousand and thousands of patients on impotency and it worked like a missile. But I never got result from this remedy in below 45 years of age. Yes, this remedy has very good result in old age person, if sign and symptoms matches with this remedy.
This does not mean that everybody start using lycopodium just due to this fact that a writer claimed so much about a remedy. Yes, writer's claimes should be taken as clinical experience and we should keep that observation in our mind while treating our patients but this does not mean that we start blindly using that remedy without taking full case analysis. This will expoil your cases.
If you will do it then you will "OCCASIONLY" use the remedy again and again and will not cure your case.
Just like you admitted in your own case where you said,
You said "I have not used Nat Phos 6x to reduce my weight but only use it to help with my (digestion occasionally) whenever I feel uncomfortable after a meal."
This also confirms that you do not take your symptoms and always use nat phos for your digestion problem. Although you also got results but never cured your complaints. Due to the same reason you are always using nat phos.
You are also saying right and I am also not wrong. :) Actually, this habit does not cure cases. ;)
I hope you have followed what I was trying to say. :D
Thanks for sharing your views on Nat Phos.
W
william last decade
Sorry to disappoint all of you,but I didn't see any difference after 15 days of use.
May be it works on certain types of constitutions.Any way,I will continue for another 15 days.
Murthy
May be it works on certain types of constitutions.Any way,I will continue for another 15 days.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy,
Yours is the second case that was reported that did not respond to Nat Phos 6x in Sri Lanka. Thie first was an asthmatic who was using allopathic drugs and I presume that this may be the reason.
I doubt that you will reduce your weight with Nat Phos if you have not already noticed any loss by now. All who have used it informed me that they pass more water than usual and this accounts for the loss of weight.
I have been treating a case of a Salivary Calculus of the Parotid gland with Calc Fluor 6x and she informed me that she too was losing weight as she was passing water more frequently.
This case is interesting as she had already been operated on once to remove the first calculus but there was pain about a year after the surgery due presumably to another calculus formation. This disconfort was relieved within about 10 days after treatment with Calc Fluor 6x. I have kept her on a daily dose of 1 tablet of this remedy daily to prevent this calculus recurring.
I do not know if this remedy calso an help you with weight lost but it can be considered if the Nat Phos 6x does not work.
Yours is the second case that was reported that did not respond to Nat Phos 6x in Sri Lanka. Thie first was an asthmatic who was using allopathic drugs and I presume that this may be the reason.
I doubt that you will reduce your weight with Nat Phos if you have not already noticed any loss by now. All who have used it informed me that they pass more water than usual and this accounts for the loss of weight.
I have been treating a case of a Salivary Calculus of the Parotid gland with Calc Fluor 6x and she informed me that she too was losing weight as she was passing water more frequently.
This case is interesting as she had already been operated on once to remove the first calculus but there was pain about a year after the surgery due presumably to another calculus formation. This disconfort was relieved within about 10 days after treatment with Calc Fluor 6x. I have kept her on a daily dose of 1 tablet of this remedy daily to prevent this calculus recurring.
I do not know if this remedy calso an help you with weight lost but it can be considered if the Nat Phos 6x does not work.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear joe
I would like to continue for 15 days more,and then leave it if there is no response.
Thanks for your info,on calc.flour.
Murthy
I would like to continue for 15 days more,and then leave it if there is no response.
Thanks for your info,on calc.flour.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Murthy,
I occurred to me that you may like to vary the dose to 2 tablets 3 times daily instead of 3 taken twice daily. This is just a thought but I am not hopeful that you will react as the others have done to this remedy.
You can also increase the 2 tablets per dose to 3 taken three times daily. I don't think that this increase can hurt.
Joe
I occurred to me that you may like to vary the dose to 2 tablets 3 times daily instead of 3 taken twice daily. This is just a thought but I am not hopeful that you will react as the others have done to this remedy.
You can also increase the 2 tablets per dose to 3 taken three times daily. I don't think that this increase can hurt.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Can you tell me if any patients have had side effects using Nat Phos 6x -- I am very keen to take this.
Thanks very much!
jo316
Thanks very much!
jo316
jo316 last decade
Can someone tell me what this means?
The following are the indications of Natrum Phosphoricum, as it relates to vertigo, dizziness. Strongest indications are in bold, the next strongest are in italics, and the remaining indications are in a plain typeface.
Does it means that this causes vertigo, or that it helps it?
Thanks very much!
The following are the indications of Natrum Phosphoricum, as it relates to vertigo, dizziness. Strongest indications are in bold, the next strongest are in italics, and the remaining indications are in a plain typeface.
Does it means that this causes vertigo, or that it helps it?
Thanks very much!
jo316 last decade
I am so impressed with Mr. or rather Dr. Joe De Livera's discover I myself have started taking it. I am not an overweight really but have a tummy. I walk a lot (20 miles a day) and visit mountains a lot so my legs and arms are normal but fat is at tummy region. I am 43 but can easily pass saying 35 or even below.
Folks I will post my results in a month.
In all cases I am thankful to Dr. Joe De Livera for his intention to help us all.
Kuldeep
Folks I will post my results in a month.
In all cases I am thankful to Dr. Joe De Livera for his intention to help us all.
Kuldeep
kuldeep last decade
Joe
I would appreciate if you could let me know as to where I can get Natrium Phos 6x as
suggested by your goodself. Whenver I asked for this remedy , they say that it should be natrum phos and that there is no difference between these two. I know you have categorically said that it is Natrium Phos.
I live in USA.
A. Chandra
I would appreciate if you could let me know as to where I can get Natrium Phos 6x as
suggested by your goodself. Whenver I asked for this remedy , they say that it should be natrum phos and that there is no difference between these two. I know you have categorically said that it is Natrium Phos.
I live in USA.
A. Chandra
achandra last decade
I was wondering where I had specified NATRIUM Phos but did not see any reference in my posts above. Natrum Phosphoricum is Sodium Phosphate and you can get it from any Homeopathic Pharmacy in the 6x potency which is in tablet form.
Before you commence treatment you must weigh yourself preferably without any clothes and then do so weekly and record the weight loss on the same scale which you can perhaps share with others who may be encouraged to use it to reduce their weight.
Before you commence treatment you must weigh yourself preferably without any clothes and then do so weekly and record the weight loss on the same scale which you can perhaps share with others who may be encouraged to use it to reduce their weight.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
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