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To Amritendu

My apologies for not responding to your post as I did not get the email alert due to some software problem on the ABC.

I note that you are taking Nat Phos 6x to reduce your weight but your weight will not be reduced as you are also taking Valium to sleep. You are invited to type 'Danger of using Valium' into Google to read the side effects of using this powerful drug on a long term basis.

I copy one below from
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1598843/the_many_da....

'Potent mood-stabilizing medications such Diazepam drugs offer a wide array of dangerous and frightening side effects, including: seizure, a false sense of well-being, depression, confusion, loss of coordination and motor function, slurred speech, severe stuttering, inability to concentrate, periods of 'black out', fatigue, drowsiness, dizziness, loss of appetite, respiratory depression, lack of fear in risking-taking behaviors, compulsive thoughts and behaviors, and even thoughts of suicide.'

If you wish to sleep you must first change your lifestyle and your 'very stressful and hectic work schedule'
You must also exercise regularly to sweat it out to create the demand from your body for sleep. You must control your diet and drink plenty of water up to 3 liters daily to enable your body to lose the fat which you must lose ASAP.

You can also use Arnica 30c in the Wet dose made as follows taken twice daily with the last dose taken just before bed.


The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
i m harry
i use nat phos 6x german version 6 tablets a day
my weight is 80kg
my height is 5 feet 2 inch
 
harry 572 8 years ago
this is da first time ma periods have been missed or irregular
 
harry 572 8 years ago
Dear Dr.Joe,thanks for your advise.I will try to stop taking valium however I found that after taking Natphos 6X 2 tabs thrice I am having severe constipation.Iam taking 5-6 litre water but its not helping.Also I would like to know your detailed view on phytalocca berry.
Thanks & Regards. Amritendu
 
AMRITENDU 8 years ago
Nat Phos 6x is NOT the cause of your constipation. You can increase the dosage to 3 tablets taken thrice daily and report results. This should help your constipation.

It is also essential to do some form of exercise to make you sweat as this is essential to reduce weight.

Patients who have used Phytolacca have reported that it was of no use.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Dear Joe,

I am 40 now, but since about 18 months I gained massive weight (20 kilo).
I want to try your idea, but all I get here in Germany is Schueesler Salt Nat Phos D6 (No. 9)
Is that correct, is that the same as 6x ??

Thank you so much
Dan
 
skywalker89 8 years ago
To Lyco

I have just read your 2 posts of March 7 as I did not get the auto email alert again.

I note that you addressed 'William' in your first where you discussed the Natrium/Natrum Phosphoricum and copied my notes on this Cell Salt which as I stated works in wondrous ways to help stabilize GERD where it works by accelerating the passage of food down the gut thereby preventing the secretion of excess gastric juice.

My discovery of how it reduces weight is, if I may state so myself, MONUMENTAL as it confers the patient to reduce weight by at least 1kg per week. It does so very safely and there are many unknown hundreds of thousands of obese patients who have used it and have dropped their weight.

It is indeed a matter of great concern that no recognition of the immense good that this simple remedy can do to mankind has been made by the international media as although the press and TV hailed the great discovery of Rimonabant in 2006 it suffered from an abrupt demise when it was discovered about 2 years later that it was responsible for some damage to the brain. It seems such a shame that a simple Homeopathic remedy that can make a great difference to the World's Obese who constitute over 60% of the population in the developed countries is not enjoying the publicity that it deserves.

I presume that I do not qualify for any publicity as I am just Joe De Livera who incidentally am 82 years of age. I would like to place on record here that I have yet another discovery that I discovered in 2005 to control Diabetes and that is Arnica 6c in the Wet dose. It is almost as potent as Metformin and I have many patients who use it instead of this drug which causes many side effects some of which are contact dermatitis and the feeling of exuding heat in waves which are most disconcerting to the patient.


I shall copy some information below on Rimonabant from Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimonabant

Rimonabant (also known as SR141716; trade names Acomplia, Bethin, Monaslim, Remonabent, Riobant, Slimona, Rimoslim, Zimulti,[1] and Riomont) is an anorectic antiobesity drug that has been withdrawn from the market. It is an inverse agonist for the cannabinoid receptor CB1.[2] Its main effect is reduction in appetite.

Rimonabant was the first selective CB1 receptor blocker to be approved for use anywhere in the world. In Europe, it was indicated for use in conjunction with diet and exercise for patients with a body mass index greater than 30 kg/m², or patients with a BMI greater than 27 kg/m² with associated risk factors, such as type 2 diabetes or dyslipidaemia. In the UK, it was available beginning in July 2006. As of 2008, the drug was available in 56 countries. On 23 October 2008, the European Medicines Agency (EMEA) issued a press release stating its Committee for Medical Products for Human Use (CHMP) had concluded the benefits of Acomplia no longer outweighed its risks, and subsequently recommended the product be suspended from the UK market. Sanofi-Aventis later released a press statement stating the drug had been suspended.[3][4] Approval of the drug was officially withdrawn by the EMEA on 16 January 2009.[5]

Side effects

Shortly after market introduction, press reports and independent studies suggested side effects occurred more intensely and more commonly than shown by the manufacturer in their clinical studies. Resulting from drug actions at CB1 receptors in the brain, reports of severe depression and suicidal thoughts are frequent.[10] As CB1 receptors are fairly ubiquitous throughout the central nervous system, it is not currently understood where exactly the inverse agonist is acting to cause these side-effects.

On 15 June 2007, BBC News reported[11] a committee advising the U.S. FDA had voted not to recommend the drug's approval because of concerns over suicidality, depression, and other related side effects associated with use of the drug.

[edit] Other uses

[edit] Smoking cessation

Rimonabant may also be found to be effective in assisting some smokers to quit smoking. Sanofi-Aventis is currently conducting studies to determine the possible value of rimonabant in smoking-cessation therapy. The Studies with Rimonabant and Tobacco Use (STRATUS) program involves more than 6,000 subjects. STRATUS is designed to explore two smoking-related therapies: first, to use rimonabant directly to aid in smoking cessation; second, to help prevent weight gain in former smokers. Initial results apparently suggest rimonabant is effective for both uses. However, the FDA has explicitly stated to Sanofi-Aventis that, without additional studies, rimonabant cannot be approved in the United States for smoking cessation therapy. According to a Cochrane review in 2007, rimonabant 'may increase the odds of quitting approximately 11/2-fold'.[12]

[edit] Addiction

Rimonabant reduced resumption of cocaine-seeking responses triggered by two of the three most common triggers of relapse in humans, priming and cues. It may also reduce ethanol- and opiate-seeking behavior.[13]

[edit] Memory

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is known to impair short-term memory. It was therefore hypothesised that rimonabant may improve short-term memory. Indeed, in animal studies, it significantly improved the performance of rats to encode information in the short-term memory.[14]

[edit] Blockage of cannabis effects

Rimonabant blocks the psychoactive and some of the cardiovascular effects of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in humans without affecting the pharmacokinetics.[15]

[edit] Effect on physical activity

Rimonabant reduces voluntary wheel running in laboratory mice.[16]

Side effects

Shortly after market introduction, press reports and independent studies suggested side effects occurred more intensely and more commonly than shown by the manufacturer in their clinical studies. Resulting from drug actions at CB1 receptors in the brain, reports of severe depression and suicidal thoughts are frequent.[10] As CB1 receptors are fairly ubiquitous throughout the central nervous system, it is not currently understood where exactly the inverse agonist is acting to cause these side-effects.

On 15 June 2007, BBC News reported[11] a committee advising the U.S. FDA had voted not to recommend the drug's approval because of concerns over suicidality, depression, and other related side effects associated with use of the drug.

[edit] Other uses

[edit] Smoking cessation

Rimonabant may also be found to be effective in assisting some smokers to quit smoking. Sanofi-Aventis is currently conducting studies to determine the possible value of rimonabant in smoking-cessation therapy. The Studies with Rimonabant and Tobacco Use (STRATUS) program involves more than 6,000 subjects. STRATUS is designed to explore two smoking-related therapies: first, to use rimonabant directly to aid in smoking cessation; second, to help prevent weight gain in former smokers. Initial results apparently suggest rimonabant is effective for both uses. However, the FDA has explicitly stated to Sanofi-Aventis that, without additional studies, rimonabant cannot be approved in the United States for smoking cessation therapy. According to a Cochrane review in 2007, rimonabant 'may increase the odds of quitting approximately 11/2-fold'.[12]

[edit] Addiction

Rimonabant reduced resumption of cocaine-seeking responses triggered by two of the three most common triggers of relapse in humans, priming and cues. It may also reduce ethanol- and opiate-seeking behavior.[13]

[edit] Memory

Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is known to impair short-term memory. It was therefore hypothesised that rimonabant may improve short-term memory. Indeed, in animal studies, it significantly improved the performance of rats to encode information in the short-term memory.[14]

[edit] Blockage of cannabis effects

Rimonabant blocks the psychoactive and some of the cardiovascular effects of Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in humans without affecting the pharmacokinetics.[15]

[edit] Effect on physical activity

Rimonabant reduces voluntary wheel running in laboratory mice.[16]




Answering your question:
'What a discovery!
I have question, though: do you know if fat is lost or is the sodium phosphate 6x causing weight loss due to lactic acid being broken down and exhaled? Or is it something else?'

All I can state at this stage is that i have been informed by many patients that they have enjoyed blessed relief from GERD by using Nat Phos 6x and Arnica 30c in the Wet dose and they do not seem to be bothered by how it works because it really does. I believe that it works by accelerating the passage of food down the gut by ensuring that it is quickly pushed out of the stomach into the Duodenum thereby preventing the secretion of excess gastric juice and HCl (Hyedochloric Acid) which are the main constituents of GERD. As you may be aware medicine has just one remedy to control this release and it is PPI (Proton Pump Inhibitor) drugs like Nexium Omeprezole and about 20 others each of which are more dangerous than the last and which have been discovered to affect the brain and cause severe irreversible damage.

The Joepathy I prescribe works within a few hours to stabilize and control GERD. It has also helped to CURE this disease very safely.

As you may be aware, I do not subscribe to the classical tenets of Homeopathy and I was branded a maverick by that crowd of experts simply because their classical training could not visualize how the therapy that I prescribed which they derisively termed 'Joepathy' could possibly work as I was not qualified and should not, according to them, dare to prescribe any remedy for patients. I believe that they were motivated by jealousy as I have throughout my 25+ years of prescribing my therapy been very successful in the therapy I have prescribed which I have always done free of charge and I include the remedies to patients who consult me in Sri Lanka. This seems to irk them even more as according to them unless I am qualified I dare not prescribe a remedy to a patient.

You will remember the many altercations that I was compelled to waste my time on in the recent past on other threads that you visited and there was one Australian homeopath with whom I crossed swords and finally succeeded in overcoming as the Moderator just ordered him not to bug me.

I note that you are 7 years younger to me at 75 years and although you cannot be classified as Obese at 68.2kg you can use Nat Phos 6x to reduce weight which you will notice will be at least 1kg per week. This can easily be verified by checking your weight on the same scale at the same time weekly.

I would also recommend that you take Arnica 30c in the Wet dose nightly and you will simply be amazed at the result the day after.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
To Dan

You are advised to have yourself checked to discover the reason for your sudden increase in weight as 20kg within 18 months is by no means normal.

The Schuessler product is perhaps the best that you can get and D6 is the equivalent of 6x.
Please ensure that you get this remedy in tablet form.

You can ask for it as a Biochemic Cell Salt. It was first recorded by Dr Schuessler about 125 years ago.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
dear joe
i m using nat phos D6 from 3 weaks but no response ,i m taxi driver in frankfurt germany and here we find nat phos d6 .what is suggesion for me
br
sabi
 
sabi1976 8 years ago
To Sabi

Good the learn that you have monitored this thread in Frankfurt, a city I first visited in 1947 shortly after WW II and later spent some time in 1955.

I have observed that Nat Phos 6x (NP) only works with about 80% of those who use it and it is likely that you are in the 20% who do not respond. However it is worth staying with it for a few months and you may increase the dosage to 3 tablets taken after each of 2 meals daily to observe if it will help you. You will find that some patients on this thread have reported that they felt lighter even though there was no reduction of their weight.

You can also include Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken nightly just before you sleep as some patients like you have reported that the 2 remedies work jointly to reduce weight.

It is important that no drugs and no coffee are taken during this period as NP is a very shy remedy which does not work when other drugs and coffee are in use. Sausages are also taboo as they are loaded with Saltpeter as are ham and bacon.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
dear joe
i dont understand saltpeter ,
here in germany everything saved in pack ,even water is also so pack, what i should avoid ?
well i dont eat sousage cola or coffe ,
is pepmint or green tea is allow to drink???
hav u any phone number to talk ???
best reg.
sabi
 
sabi1976 8 years ago
To Sabi

I do not wish to indicate my phone number on this forum which is open to the world but if you would like to send me an email to the address you will see on my profile, I can then indicate it.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
dear joe
my email is
sirajulmuneer at yahoo.com
best regards
sabi
 
sabi1976 8 years ago
dear joe
nice 2 talk 2 u ,but voice wan not clear anyway i use nat phos for next month.
next problem is my father have liver cirrhosis here in germany and hepatic enzepalopathy ,diabetic typ 2 ,stomoch and legs with water .
doctor gives him
hepa merz (1-1-1)
lactolose (1-1-1)
insulin 4 times
carvidilol (1-0-0)
spirobeta 50mg (1-0-0)
detrusitol 2mg (1-0-1) for urin .
he cant stop his urin
what can u recmond him ??
best regard
sabi
 
sabi1976 8 years ago
Hi, I was reading through the instructions and I was confused.
Are you mixing
Mineral water ( flat or sparkling) ?

with the Fleet product to make

Nat Phos 6X?

of are you mixing Nat Phos 6x in it ?

I was confused as to the steps involved, if someone who has had success with this can let me know, I would appreciate knowing how to do this properly.

Thank You.
 
healthtalkresearch 8 years ago
I have not prescribed Fleet Phos Soda as I have had some reports that it can be accidentally abused by the patient in the process of making it.

Nat Phos Biochemic Cell Salts are freely available throughout the world and it is best to use a product that has been manufactured according to therapeutic guidelines.

Nat Phos 6x must be used in the original tablets and is not effective when made into the Wet dose.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Hi Joe! I've been reading through this thread and am totally fascinated! I just received my Nat. Phos 6x in the mail today, and took my first dose (2 tablets) tonight after dinner. I wondered if you could answer just a few questions for me. General facts that may be relevant about me: I am 28, about 205 lbs, 5' 7' tall and am currently on two prescription medications: Metformin 500mg twice daily (for PCOS, not diabetes), and Synthroid 150mcg once daily (for hypothyroidism). I am also breastfeeding.

1. Would you recommend for me to discontinue the use of my prescriptions? Perhaps substitute the wet dose of Arnica? You mentioned not to take any drugs with Nat. Phos. Does this also apply towards vitamins? I take a daily multi with iron, a B-complex (because the Metformin depletes it) and occasionally an acidophilus or a fiber supplement. Should I discontinue use of all those? I am mostly interested right now in losing weight.
2. You said no bacon, ham, sausage (and, I'm assuming salami or pepperoni or other salty meats), no coffee, cola, or alcohol. Are teas, non-cola sodas (like Sprite, Club Soda, Root Beer) ok? Is all alcohol prohibited or only certain types? (...well! Giving up the diet Coke is going to be hard enough! :) )

I think that's it for now. I am excited to try this! I began cutting my calories back 5 days ago, and have already lost 1 lb. I am hoping the Nat. Phos. will boost my weight loss! I also am training for my second triathlon which takes place next month, so I have been very active lately. I did my first tri last year in August and trained all summer for it and did not lose a single pound! I have very stubborn weight! (Well, I also got pregnant at the beginning of summer, but still!)

Thank you so much for your time!
 
chelszilla 8 years ago
I have observed that Nat Phos 6x will not work when the patient uses other drugs or supplements.

I would not like to take the responsibility of advising you to stop them but in the interest of your unborn baby I do believe that you should, except for the Synthroid which is OK during your pregnancy.

You stated that you are breastfeeding your baby and that you are pregnant. This seems somewhat unusual but in any event you are advised NOT to participate in the next Triathlon in the interest of your unborn baby.

If you wish to reduce your weight you must stop all other drugs, and the vitamins you listed:

'2. You said no bacon, ham, sausage (and, I'm assuming salami or pepperoni or other salty meats), no coffee, cola, or alcohol. Are teas, non-cola sodas (like Sprite, Club Soda, Root Beer) ok? Is all alcohol prohibited or only certain types? (...well! Giving up the diet Coke is going to be hard enough! :) ) '

Please visit:

The Danger of Aspartame. (This is the sweetener used in Diet Coke)

http://aspartame.mercola.com/
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Oh! Sorry for the confusion! I meant that I was pregnant LAST summer, and now am nursing that baby! I am not currently pregnant.

Does the aspartame antidote the Nat. Phos?

Thank you,
Chelsea
 
chelszilla 8 years ago
To Chelsea

I note your correction.

I hope that your daily exercise routine and the Nat Phos 6x with the Arnica 30c in the Wet dose will help with your weight reduction and also help you in your Triathlon. I hope that you will win it and I shall expect you to keep me advised of your final rating.

Aspartame will not permit Nat Phos 6x to work to reduce weight.

I hope that you have read the article I referred to in my last post.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Thank you! I did read the article and will avoid aspartame! Thank you for posting it.

Should all soda pop be avoided or just colas and the ones with aspartame?

I began my diet regime (Weight Watchers) on Monday, started the Nat. Phos. on Friday, and am down 4lbs already!

I will let you know how it progresses! I'm not athletic enough to win the triathlon, but I hope to beat my time from last year.

Chelsea
 
chelszilla 8 years ago
Thank you for confirming that you have lost 4 lbs in just a week which is twice the weight loss that patients have reported.

In your case it is your bulk at 205 lbs that has enabled you to lose 4 lbs but you will soon notice that after you have lost another 10 lbs that your weight loss will taper down to around 2 lbs weekly. You should also feel much lighter as reported by my other patients and you are reassured that there are absolutely no repercussions on your body as a result of taking Nat Phos regularly as prescribed.

You must avoid all food items that I have spelt out to you in previous posts and the Arnica 30c may even help you to shine in your oncoming Triathlon.

Best of Luck and I shall be awaiting your final placings.

Report progress weekly.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Dear Joe,

Hope you are doing well. Reading your prescription of Arnica 30 c in wet doses. Can I take 2 doses of Arnica 6 c daily instead?

Gracias,
Ramsa
 
Ramsa 8 years ago
To Ramsa

You have not indicated the reason you wish to use Arnica 30c or 6c but you must understand that Arnica will not help you to reduce weight.

Nat Phos 6x will do so.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Joe,
My bad. I should have been more clear.
My blood sugar level is 150 fasting and 220 (P P)
I travel much and I was wondering if I can carry Arnica 6 C instead of wet doses of Arnica 30 C

Gracias
 
Ramsa 8 years ago
Diabetic patients who have used the dry pellets have stated that they do not work in the same manner that the Wet dose does.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago

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