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I'll post more later and tell you about the juice fast. Right now I'm just checking in to say I'm feeling crabby, too, on Day 22. Prickly Bitch is my nickname for this aspect of my personality.
I suspect my detoxing diet and juice fast has dumped some E toxins out of my fat and into my bloodstream. I'm having some little symptoms -- tingles and little sparks -- but I'm not dizzy or nauseous or brain blotto. Just edgy.
I'll go to the zoo with Mamamia and Catgranny, too. I haven't lived in Omaha for a long time, but until two years ago when he died, my dad still lived in the house I grew up in. My brother-in-law lives there, too; my sister died in 1996. I guess having family buried in Omaha cemeteries (and mom in Pensacola) makes for a strong tie to a place. Silly, huh? I have a number of friends in Omaha as well. I know what you mean about growth. Except I think it's sprawl: not pretty and not well-planned. Did you grow up in Omaha, Mamamia? I went to Westside High School.
More later. I need to go growl for awhile and get some of this frustration out of my system. You'd think I'd be mellow today after running 4 miles last time with my trainer. We started in a light rain, which turned into a heavier rain -- still felt nice, as it was quite warm. Then the civil defense sirens went off (tornado warning), the rain got harder, and it began to hail. Ouch!!! Fortunately, I was wearing a baseball cap. But let me tell you, hail strikes on bare skin are painful. I have a bizarre wound on my left index finger knuckle from the bounce of one hail stone. It's bruised and swollen. It's not that we didn't have sense to come in from the rain; we were running along the Mississippi in a downtown park, and there was no shelter until we got back to where we could stand in a dry spot under the bridge. I think I'm getting tired of all this rain. Tomorrow we begin, if the forecast holds, a four day stretch of sunny and dry days.
OK, must please the boss now. LOL Send me calming energy, please, and I'll sent it to all of you, too.
Laurel
I suspect my detoxing diet and juice fast has dumped some E toxins out of my fat and into my bloodstream. I'm having some little symptoms -- tingles and little sparks -- but I'm not dizzy or nauseous or brain blotto. Just edgy.
I'll go to the zoo with Mamamia and Catgranny, too. I haven't lived in Omaha for a long time, but until two years ago when he died, my dad still lived in the house I grew up in. My brother-in-law lives there, too; my sister died in 1996. I guess having family buried in Omaha cemeteries (and mom in Pensacola) makes for a strong tie to a place. Silly, huh? I have a number of friends in Omaha as well. I know what you mean about growth. Except I think it's sprawl: not pretty and not well-planned. Did you grow up in Omaha, Mamamia? I went to Westside High School.
More later. I need to go growl for awhile and get some of this frustration out of my system. You'd think I'd be mellow today after running 4 miles last time with my trainer. We started in a light rain, which turned into a heavier rain -- still felt nice, as it was quite warm. Then the civil defense sirens went off (tornado warning), the rain got harder, and it began to hail. Ouch!!! Fortunately, I was wearing a baseball cap. But let me tell you, hail strikes on bare skin are painful. I have a bizarre wound on my left index finger knuckle from the bounce of one hail stone. It's bruised and swollen. It's not that we didn't have sense to come in from the rain; we were running along the Mississippi in a downtown park, and there was no shelter until we got back to where we could stand in a dry spot under the bridge. I think I'm getting tired of all this rain. Tomorrow we begin, if the forecast holds, a four day stretch of sunny and dry days.
OK, must please the boss now. LOL Send me calming energy, please, and I'll sent it to all of you, too.
Laurel
Naria last decade
Hullo to all my old friends and welcome to the new ones sorry we had to meet this way.
I am "almost?" settled. LOL. I have been so damn busy it is nuts I wanted so badly to read all the posts but I thought NO I better not or else I will sit down and respond to all of em so I waited a few days to read the whole lot of em. Plus I knew that we have some very competent folks here who offer wayyyyy better advice then mine..:)
My hubby is off Thurs and Fri of this week and of course I work those two days. What a rip huh?
I am glad to see you all again I fear writing all the names cause I know I will leave someone out.
I now have practically no side effects left over from the E but I do have that nasty weight gain.
Talk about lack of self esteem. My cousin had a swim party for her daughters 2nd birthday on Saturday. I realllly did not wana go mostly because of my weight (that is so sad huh?) I mean when I walked up there were probably 10 of us between ages of 23-30 we have all had at least one kid on only myself and one other girl who has been a lil on chunky side her whole life were not in a suit. The other 8 not only could wear a suit but a two piece on and look SMOKING hot. I have a gorgeous family it is unnerving when your overweight cause ya just dont fit in. AND the other lil chunky gal has the most beautiful face seriously shes gorgeous (one of the Baldwin brothers actually told her so while she was a flight attendant a few years back). So plus I have refused to buy clothing to fit my fat arse I had on jeans and a t-shirt. Thank god I can wear jeans to work because I was not about to go out and buy clothing for this size. BUT I did have a wonderful time at the party and was glad I went. I love my cousins and their families we all grew up so close its a shame I was going to hide out cause I feel fat. I know they love me anyway I am and I them :)
See I am still on the moody side lol. But overall I feel like I am not moving backwards anymore. Maybe taking baby steps forward. I hope you all continue to do well and take each days up and downs in stride. Hugs and prayers for all of you my friends.
Jami
I am "almost?" settled. LOL. I have been so damn busy it is nuts I wanted so badly to read all the posts but I thought NO I better not or else I will sit down and respond to all of em so I waited a few days to read the whole lot of em. Plus I knew that we have some very competent folks here who offer wayyyyy better advice then mine..:)
My hubby is off Thurs and Fri of this week and of course I work those two days. What a rip huh?
I am glad to see you all again I fear writing all the names cause I know I will leave someone out.
I now have practically no side effects left over from the E but I do have that nasty weight gain.
Talk about lack of self esteem. My cousin had a swim party for her daughters 2nd birthday on Saturday. I realllly did not wana go mostly because of my weight (that is so sad huh?) I mean when I walked up there were probably 10 of us between ages of 23-30 we have all had at least one kid on only myself and one other girl who has been a lil on chunky side her whole life were not in a suit. The other 8 not only could wear a suit but a two piece on and look SMOKING hot. I have a gorgeous family it is unnerving when your overweight cause ya just dont fit in. AND the other lil chunky gal has the most beautiful face seriously shes gorgeous (one of the Baldwin brothers actually told her so while she was a flight attendant a few years back). So plus I have refused to buy clothing to fit my fat arse I had on jeans and a t-shirt. Thank god I can wear jeans to work because I was not about to go out and buy clothing for this size. BUT I did have a wonderful time at the party and was glad I went. I love my cousins and their families we all grew up so close its a shame I was going to hide out cause I feel fat. I know they love me anyway I am and I them :)
See I am still on the moody side lol. But overall I feel like I am not moving backwards anymore. Maybe taking baby steps forward. I hope you all continue to do well and take each days up and downs in stride. Hugs and prayers for all of you my friends.
Jami
Jamikissezs last decade
a quick good morning to all...newcomers as well as the "regulars" !!!!
30 day E free for Steph... she is crabby as well, i believe it is NOT a result of E w/d's, but her G.A.D. (of which she wants to overcome on her own)...she is happy as a lark & very sweet to everyone...but her dad & i "see" her true colors...i know her boyfriend gets some of what we experience as well.
Elena....were you able to handle fri night? bee how was your first day on the job going?
Naria, Sheila, Bonnie...thanks for your kind words about "me" contributing to this post, but i thank you all for including me as an outsider looking in...i have gotten so much from you all!
markets are busy today...hope to read more thoroughly after the close!
wishing you all a good, make that a great day!
~dawn
30 day E free for Steph... she is crabby as well, i believe it is NOT a result of E w/d's, but her G.A.D. (of which she wants to overcome on her own)...she is happy as a lark & very sweet to everyone...but her dad & i "see" her true colors...i know her boyfriend gets some of what we experience as well.
Elena....were you able to handle fri night? bee how was your first day on the job going?
Naria, Sheila, Bonnie...thanks for your kind words about "me" contributing to this post, but i thank you all for including me as an outsider looking in...i have gotten so much from you all!
markets are busy today...hope to read more thoroughly after the close!
wishing you all a good, make that a great day!
~dawn
wonderingwhy last decade
Hello everyone, I have been busy with the grandkids the past 2 days. Their mother, is a school teacher and she doesn't get out of school until Thursday. So I have been watching the kids.
Elena, I just wanted you to know that this week I started just taking the 9mg this week.
I want to get off of this stuff. How have you been feeling.
Hope everyone is doing good.
I am going to knock on wood and say I am doing pretty good.
We will see.
Love,
Bonnie
Elena, I just wanted you to know that this week I started just taking the 9mg this week.
I want to get off of this stuff. How have you been feeling.
Hope everyone is doing good.
I am going to knock on wood and say I am doing pretty good.
We will see.
Love,
Bonnie
BonnieR last decade
Lori we loved your peanut butter pie! No wonder it is such a great seller. I did take the liberty of reducing the fat though. Neufchatel, fat free cool whip and reduced fat crust. Cant say it made it any less rich - absolutely sinful. It was great. I reduce the fat on everything I can. But I dont like fat free cream cheese so the Neufchatel was perfect.
Bonnie and Bee I only know one person with fibro, she had a very high stress job that she retired from last year, and her fibro has been better. I didnt know much about it so I looked it up on the web. Hypochondriac that I am, I have a lot of the symptoms. Especially the sleep pattern. But I dont have enough of the trigger points, so I guess I dont.
I did not have a good weekend, between the zappy, bitchy, achy and dizzy, luckily not all at the same time however. I shot a good game of golf this weekend. Its very easy to keep your head down over the ball when you are dizzy. Im feeling better today.
Bee how did your first day of work go? I cant believe you only took the E for three months and got to suffer for it. What an insidiously evil medicine (as we all know).
Mamamia that was me that is the Stepford Wife. I didnt say YOUR husband is controlling, I said MINE is. I guess we have that in common. I have been such a good little wifey for the past two years, I make myself sick. Boy is my husband in for a surprise. The BITCH will be back!
Welcome rosagrl and frustrated78 to our group. Sorry we have to meet like this. Welcome back Jami. How did the move go? Rosa you are at the same spot I am I will start dropping to 18.75 next Sunday. I only have 75.0 capsules (and a lot of them), so I am doing a lot of splitting. When I started splitting the 75s, I kept the capsule (just dumping insides into yogurt and applesauce) and will use those empty capsules to divide the next lot.
And to everyone else. You know who you are. From one crab to the others. Til next time. (Is crabbiness an emotion?)
Love, Sheila
Bonnie and Bee I only know one person with fibro, she had a very high stress job that she retired from last year, and her fibro has been better. I didnt know much about it so I looked it up on the web. Hypochondriac that I am, I have a lot of the symptoms. Especially the sleep pattern. But I dont have enough of the trigger points, so I guess I dont.
I did not have a good weekend, between the zappy, bitchy, achy and dizzy, luckily not all at the same time however. I shot a good game of golf this weekend. Its very easy to keep your head down over the ball when you are dizzy. Im feeling better today.
Bee how did your first day of work go? I cant believe you only took the E for three months and got to suffer for it. What an insidiously evil medicine (as we all know).
Mamamia that was me that is the Stepford Wife. I didnt say YOUR husband is controlling, I said MINE is. I guess we have that in common. I have been such a good little wifey for the past two years, I make myself sick. Boy is my husband in for a surprise. The BITCH will be back!
Welcome rosagrl and frustrated78 to our group. Sorry we have to meet like this. Welcome back Jami. How did the move go? Rosa you are at the same spot I am I will start dropping to 18.75 next Sunday. I only have 75.0 capsules (and a lot of them), so I am doing a lot of splitting. When I started splitting the 75s, I kept the capsule (just dumping insides into yogurt and applesauce) and will use those empty capsules to divide the next lot.
And to everyone else. You know who you are. From one crab to the others. Til next time. (Is crabbiness an emotion?)
Love, Sheila
catgranny last decade
hi again, corn is on the move upward, so needless to say, we have been busy!!! Just about an hour ago, as though the switch was reset, our weather turned beautiful, breezy, mid 70's & humidity dropped too! That alone would make you all feel alive & well.
steph has gotten tickets for the White Sox this evening. She, her dad, & her brother will be going...they are all in the city today & i'm not, so i have the evening to myself...oh gee, what a shame, ha,ha!!! The t.v.studio gives tickets to wanting employees when the game is being televised by the station (a nice perk, we have gone a couple of times since the first of May)...
bonnie, those 2 grandchildren sound like the perfect medicine for taking your mind off of whatever...glad to hear you're feeling good!!
sheila, i haven't golfed this season yet, but my husband goes a couple times a week ( had the round of his life, last thurs evening)...another great place to be, good for our "mental health"!
sara...you didn't float away from arlene did you? hope you are feeling fine & ever so motherly...steph's weekend in cedar rapids was at her boyfriend's sister's house...she & her husband have a 1 month old daughter (their first)...steph was able to hold her lots & feed her once, (heather breast feeds, but also pumps her milk for bottles)...like holding a doll
off to a meeting...we'll talk later
~dawn
steph has gotten tickets for the White Sox this evening. She, her dad, & her brother will be going...they are all in the city today & i'm not, so i have the evening to myself...oh gee, what a shame, ha,ha!!! The t.v.studio gives tickets to wanting employees when the game is being televised by the station (a nice perk, we have gone a couple of times since the first of May)...
bonnie, those 2 grandchildren sound like the perfect medicine for taking your mind off of whatever...glad to hear you're feeling good!!
sheila, i haven't golfed this season yet, but my husband goes a couple times a week ( had the round of his life, last thurs evening)...another great place to be, good for our "mental health"!
sara...you didn't float away from arlene did you? hope you are feeling fine & ever so motherly...steph's weekend in cedar rapids was at her boyfriend's sister's house...she & her husband have a 1 month old daughter (their first)...steph was able to hold her lots & feed her once, (heather breast feeds, but also pumps her milk for bottles)...like holding a doll
off to a meeting...we'll talk later
~dawn
wonderingwhy last decade
Dawn you are so nice. Yes, the grandkids are my life. Well, my husband and daughter, I will keep too.
The older grandaughter is 14, need I say more. The little one is nine and still comes over and sits with me on my front porch and swings. I do love them very much. I truly have been blessed.
I am feeling better these day, (knocking). I am really anxious to see what will happen when I stop taking them completely. I mean as far as the withdrawl. It would seem that it would have to be a little easier than cold turkey, but I am sure I will still experience something.
Talking about weather. It is 95 here today and very humid.
Almost too hot to go outside, but I think as the week goes by, it will be getting cooler.
See you all later,
Love you guys,
Bonnie
The older grandaughter is 14, need I say more. The little one is nine and still comes over and sits with me on my front porch and swings. I do love them very much. I truly have been blessed.
I am feeling better these day, (knocking). I am really anxious to see what will happen when I stop taking them completely. I mean as far as the withdrawl. It would seem that it would have to be a little easier than cold turkey, but I am sure I will still experience something.
Talking about weather. It is 95 here today and very humid.
Almost too hot to go outside, but I think as the week goes by, it will be getting cooler.
See you all later,
Love you guys,
Bonnie
BonnieR last decade
Hello everyone.
Bonnie, I am so glad for you that you have taken the next step. I'm going to start on the 9mg (*only 9mg) tonight. I want off of this stuff too. Sounds like you have been good and busy though! That's great. It will keep your mind occupied. And children can be so much fun to babysit! I have been doing fairly well. The odd crazy spell, and terrible sore muscles but other than that, I'm okay.*Thanks for asking: )
I think you and I are pretty much feeling the same way.
Hang in there. I know I am.
Cat, I have yet to try that pie but now I absolutly have to after those rave reviews! As for golf, I have never played a real game, mini golf yes, and driving range yes, but no real deal. I have heard it can be very relaxing. However I would be worried I would toss the club into the forest with how I have been feeling! LOL
Jami glad to hear you're "almost" settled in! Good for you! I can totally relate to not wanting to put on a bathing suit.All my friends just look fabulous in two pieces and I feel like the odd one out. Don't like feeling that way, but as you said I know they don't judge me, and that they love me anyway.
Dawn, I love baseball games! Good for Steph, but good for you too having the house to yourself! LOL Enjoy it!
Thanks Laurel, whenever you feel like posting the juice fast would be fine by me! Hope your feeling better soon! (* Prickly Bitch, HA HA! I love it!)
Actually I hope we all are feeling better soon!
Take care all, sending calm and positive energy your way.....
xo Elena
Bonnie, I am so glad for you that you have taken the next step. I'm going to start on the 9mg (*only 9mg) tonight. I want off of this stuff too. Sounds like you have been good and busy though! That's great. It will keep your mind occupied. And children can be so much fun to babysit! I have been doing fairly well. The odd crazy spell, and terrible sore muscles but other than that, I'm okay.*Thanks for asking: )
I think you and I are pretty much feeling the same way.
Hang in there. I know I am.
Cat, I have yet to try that pie but now I absolutly have to after those rave reviews! As for golf, I have never played a real game, mini golf yes, and driving range yes, but no real deal. I have heard it can be very relaxing. However I would be worried I would toss the club into the forest with how I have been feeling! LOL
Jami glad to hear you're "almost" settled in! Good for you! I can totally relate to not wanting to put on a bathing suit.All my friends just look fabulous in two pieces and I feel like the odd one out. Don't like feeling that way, but as you said I know they don't judge me, and that they love me anyway.
Dawn, I love baseball games! Good for Steph, but good for you too having the house to yourself! LOL Enjoy it!
Thanks Laurel, whenever you feel like posting the juice fast would be fine by me! Hope your feeling better soon! (* Prickly Bitch, HA HA! I love it!)
Actually I hope we all are feeling better soon!
Take care all, sending calm and positive energy your way.....
xo Elena
Elena last decade
As I've mentioned, I'm still taking Klonopin for anxiety. I feel a lot of shame about this, more some times than others. Today is one of them. And I just had a little panic attack and started to cry again. This after feeling so good for over a week. So happy. So glad to be off the evil E. But then comes the realization that I'm still in drug hell and that I'll have to do another taper/withdrawal to get off this drug. It will likely take longer than with E, given the nature of the drug and the fact that it is truly "addictive." But I can't do it yet. And this means I'm not even really de-toxing because I'm taking a tiny dose of a potent benzodiazepene. And the fact that I'm having little tingles and shocks today is scaring me. I so wanted to be well.
I'm just feeling a big wave of disgust at the moment. :-(
I'm just feeling a big wave of disgust at the moment. :-(
Naria last decade
Naria,
You take whatever you need to take to make yourself well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a non-judgemental place of peace!!!! We certainly cannot reach into our brains and make it all better. The drugs prescribed to us are really not the bad guys, because I think that we can all say that they made us feel better. It is just the side effects that need to be studied a lot further. Do not feel bad if you need medication to make you feel better. That is what we are here for. Drugs or no drugs.
Welcome to all our new family members. My advice!!!...Like everybody else mentioned...go back and read the posts, but also...find someone on the thread that is about the same point of detox as yourself and buddy up!!! We are here at all hours and I am here to help whenever you need me. I have this nifty new laptop so pretty much have the world wide web at my disposal.
Jami....I missed you! Do you hate moving yet? Uhgggg! It is going to take me years to go through all the boxes.
Hey guys! I am glad you liked the pie. There are more sinful recipes where that came from.
We did the catering this past weekend and it was amazing. I also did the funeral. Yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not think I have been in a room of hundreds of saddened people like that in my whole life. I was given great peace of mind when the pastor read from Dad's journal and he spoke of his trust in Christ. So I know for a fact, without a doubt, that Dad is in a better place!!!!!!! My brother and sister-in-law were having a really hard time. Toware the end of his life...Dad could not talk, so he asked the choir director in his church what he could do to "sing in the choir"? She got him some egg shakers. He used them fervently and loved it. So...at the end of the funeral service, the piano player got up and played Amazing Grace, and the church choir performed with only egg shakers. NO voices! It was soooooo moving. After the song finished there was complete silence. A great man is incredibly missed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta go now, I started myself to crying
Love you all
Lori
You take whatever you need to take to make yourself well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a non-judgemental place of peace!!!! We certainly cannot reach into our brains and make it all better. The drugs prescribed to us are really not the bad guys, because I think that we can all say that they made us feel better. It is just the side effects that need to be studied a lot further. Do not feel bad if you need medication to make you feel better. That is what we are here for. Drugs or no drugs.
Welcome to all our new family members. My advice!!!...Like everybody else mentioned...go back and read the posts, but also...find someone on the thread that is about the same point of detox as yourself and buddy up!!! We are here at all hours and I am here to help whenever you need me. I have this nifty new laptop so pretty much have the world wide web at my disposal.
Jami....I missed you! Do you hate moving yet? Uhgggg! It is going to take me years to go through all the boxes.
Hey guys! I am glad you liked the pie. There are more sinful recipes where that came from.
We did the catering this past weekend and it was amazing. I also did the funeral. Yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do not think I have been in a room of hundreds of saddened people like that in my whole life. I was given great peace of mind when the pastor read from Dad's journal and he spoke of his trust in Christ. So I know for a fact, without a doubt, that Dad is in a better place!!!!!!! My brother and sister-in-law were having a really hard time. Toware the end of his life...Dad could not talk, so he asked the choir director in his church what he could do to "sing in the choir"? She got him some egg shakers. He used them fervently and loved it. So...at the end of the funeral service, the piano player got up and played Amazing Grace, and the church choir performed with only egg shakers. NO voices! It was soooooo moving. After the song finished there was complete silence. A great man is incredibly missed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta go now, I started myself to crying
Love you all
Lori
regent last decade
Laurel, as Lori said, there is nothing to be ashamed of. You are doing what is best right now to make yourself feel better. Do not feel bad about this! This is a haven for all of us, we respect and care for each other. We are here for you. And you may not think that you are detoxing, but really you have taken a huge step by getting off the Effexor! You have the strength to do this!The side effects of this drug do need to be looked at, as well as the w/d, but I have to say it did help me for a time when I felt there was no hope. But there always a ray hope somewhere in whatever darkness we experience.
Lori, my sympathies. It must have been a difficult day for you. It sounds like it was a beautifully moving service. You are truly right, he is in a better place. Your tears are expected and let them fall if you need to, but know that everything will be okay. I am glad that you have found some peace of mind. Remember we are here for you just as you are for us.
Bonnie, I'm thinkin of you! How is your day going? You doin okay on the 9mg? Did you find the drop noticeable?
I hope everyone is having a good morning: )
Hugs
xoElena
Lori, my sympathies. It must have been a difficult day for you. It sounds like it was a beautifully moving service. You are truly right, he is in a better place. Your tears are expected and let them fall if you need to, but know that everything will be okay. I am glad that you have found some peace of mind. Remember we are here for you just as you are for us.
Bonnie, I'm thinkin of you! How is your day going? You doin okay on the 9mg? Did you find the drop noticeable?
I hope everyone is having a good morning: )
Hugs
xoElena
Elena last decade
Good morning all
Hi Elena, I have been really busy this week which is great. Helps keep my mind off of myself. Today is my third day in the drop to 9. I have had a sinus headache since last night and woke up with it this morning. I think that is way I don't feel very good.
It is the same way I always feel when I get one of these headaches. So, I don't think I have noticed anything from decreasing the dose. How about you?
Lori, I am sorry about your Dad. I didn't know he had passed away. If you did mention it before, I am sorry I didn't see it.
Hope everyone is doing good today.
I am off to the doctor today just for my 6 month checkup.
You know blood pressure, etc.
Talk to you guys later.
It is supposed to get a little cooler her today and the rest of the week. I really hope so, because it has been terrible.
Love,
Bonnie
Hi Elena, I have been really busy this week which is great. Helps keep my mind off of myself. Today is my third day in the drop to 9. I have had a sinus headache since last night and woke up with it this morning. I think that is way I don't feel very good.
It is the same way I always feel when I get one of these headaches. So, I don't think I have noticed anything from decreasing the dose. How about you?
Lori, I am sorry about your Dad. I didn't know he had passed away. If you did mention it before, I am sorry I didn't see it.
Hope everyone is doing good today.
I am off to the doctor today just for my 6 month checkup.
You know blood pressure, etc.
Talk to you guys later.
It is supposed to get a little cooler her today and the rest of the week. I really hope so, because it has been terrible.
Love,
Bonnie
BonnieR last decade
good morning all...
Lori...my sympathies...that is so "touching/emotional" about the choir & the egg shakers...may all your wonderful memories help keep a smile in your heart!!
(your catering sounds like a success!!!)
Naria...your posts are always so well spoken & your words to all are kind & encouraging...unfortunately, we are always our own worst enemy...please focus on your positive accomplishments & DO NOT BEAT yourself up over the "K"... recognizing your need to be on the K for now is positive in & of itself & THAT IS A GOOD THING...it makes you no less of a E w/d survivor!!!
All of us at any given time have a "down" day & that's perfectly normal...those female hormones can get us into trouble as well...
the temps in the chicago area are low 70's, cloudy, breezy...a very comfortable day to open windows & let the fresh air in...
naria...steph's friend from eden prairie is coming to visit this weekend, she arrives tomorrow! is this your weekend in illinois as well for your reunion?
bee's job must be keeping her busy...hope it going well, don't let it feel overwhelming
the office is more on the quiet side today...i actually prefer when the market's go crazy...
wishing you all a great day...keep the "faith" & enjoy
~dawn
Lori...my sympathies...that is so "touching/emotional" about the choir & the egg shakers...may all your wonderful memories help keep a smile in your heart!!
(your catering sounds like a success!!!)
Naria...your posts are always so well spoken & your words to all are kind & encouraging...unfortunately, we are always our own worst enemy...please focus on your positive accomplishments & DO NOT BEAT yourself up over the "K"... recognizing your need to be on the K for now is positive in & of itself & THAT IS A GOOD THING...it makes you no less of a E w/d survivor!!!
All of us at any given time have a "down" day & that's perfectly normal...those female hormones can get us into trouble as well...
the temps in the chicago area are low 70's, cloudy, breezy...a very comfortable day to open windows & let the fresh air in...
naria...steph's friend from eden prairie is coming to visit this weekend, she arrives tomorrow! is this your weekend in illinois as well for your reunion?
bee's job must be keeping her busy...hope it going well, don't let it feel overwhelming
the office is more on the quiet side today...i actually prefer when the market's go crazy...
wishing you all a great day...keep the "faith" & enjoy
~dawn
wonderingwhy last decade
All, I thank you for your support to my plaint of woe. I got blindsided by the panic attack and tears because I thought all that was behind me, because I thought all that was from the E and that I should be done with such psycho-shenanigans. I had been feeling very euphoric for awhile, so maybe this is just an evening down to more normal emotions. Also, I'd had such a great weekend and felt so great physically the past week that having tingles and zings and hot/cold flashes felt like a "betrayal."
I guess I'm struggling with is is Effexor or is it Klonopin? As well as do I need Klonopin? And then I find that sweet spot of anger that if I'd never taken E I wouldn't be in this dilemma. I can't keep rehashing that one, but it's hard not to go there and then assign some personal blame.
I know I can't drop Klonopin cold turkey. It's dangerous to do that. The withdrawal protocols I've found online recommend a long, slow taper (perhaps up to 18 months! -- although maybe at my low dose it wouldn't be that long). I'm hopeful my doctors will know more about going off this drug and will recognize the reality of side effects. I'm just thinking that I'm in for a long haul of having to deal with my body not feeling the way I want it to. Aargh. ;-0 I guess we'll see what plan we can draw up when I see them on July 5.
I'm not hurting like I was, but I'm not pain free like I was for that short spell either. I keep saying to myself "This, too, shall pass." I believe that; I know that. I'm struggling with impatience (again).
Well, my condolences to the White Sox fans on their loss to the Twins last night in Chicago. I'm going to the Twins game next week, and they seem to be on a pretty good streak so far this season. They're playing Detroit. How are they doing this season, Lori?
Also, Lori, I extend my condolences on your father's death. I'm only two years removed from that experience myself. His funeral sounds like it really captured and celebrated the essence of his life. It was important to me that my father's service included trumpet music, as my father was a professional trumpeter. We found some old tapes of my dad playing with a dance orchestra, so he was able to "perform" at his own funeral. Very moving for all, as I'm sure the egg shaker Amazing Grace was for you and your father's other mourners. It sends chills up my spine thinking about how powerful a witness that was to love and loss and eternity and the beauty and meaning of one person's life in the whole flow of things. May he rest in peace.
Love and blessings,
Laurel
I guess I'm struggling with is is Effexor or is it Klonopin? As well as do I need Klonopin? And then I find that sweet spot of anger that if I'd never taken E I wouldn't be in this dilemma. I can't keep rehashing that one, but it's hard not to go there and then assign some personal blame.
I know I can't drop Klonopin cold turkey. It's dangerous to do that. The withdrawal protocols I've found online recommend a long, slow taper (perhaps up to 18 months! -- although maybe at my low dose it wouldn't be that long). I'm hopeful my doctors will know more about going off this drug and will recognize the reality of side effects. I'm just thinking that I'm in for a long haul of having to deal with my body not feeling the way I want it to. Aargh. ;-0 I guess we'll see what plan we can draw up when I see them on July 5.
I'm not hurting like I was, but I'm not pain free like I was for that short spell either. I keep saying to myself "This, too, shall pass." I believe that; I know that. I'm struggling with impatience (again).
Well, my condolences to the White Sox fans on their loss to the Twins last night in Chicago. I'm going to the Twins game next week, and they seem to be on a pretty good streak so far this season. They're playing Detroit. How are they doing this season, Lori?
Also, Lori, I extend my condolences on your father's death. I'm only two years removed from that experience myself. His funeral sounds like it really captured and celebrated the essence of his life. It was important to me that my father's service included trumpet music, as my father was a professional trumpeter. We found some old tapes of my dad playing with a dance orchestra, so he was able to "perform" at his own funeral. Very moving for all, as I'm sure the egg shaker Amazing Grace was for you and your father's other mourners. It sends chills up my spine thinking about how powerful a witness that was to love and loss and eternity and the beauty and meaning of one person's life in the whole flow of things. May he rest in peace.
Love and blessings,
Laurel
Naria last decade
Laurel, I agree with everyone else. We all know that in the long run the side effects of E were worse than the temporary benefits. But how do the benefits of the K compare to the side effects you are getting from that? And how can you be sure even then that it is not an E withdrawal side effect that you are having. Take your time making the decision to taper off your K. Make sure the E is totally out of your system. Maybe the K is giving you the help you need without major side effects. Don't think you have to give everything up, some medications do help. Give it time. I'm rambling. I'll add a special prayer for you.
Love, Sheila
Love, Sheila
catgranny last decade
I don't know that it's not E withdrawal, but I don't get why I would feel great for a week then have a "relapse." Is this normal?
I'm wondering if the detox/fast didn't aggravate this, dumping toxins out of my fat too quickly. I don't know; I'm just making stuff up. I feel nuts, and a call in to my psychiatrist's office left me feeling more pitiful. Whoever the nurse was I talked to today was not helpful.
I'm wondering if the detox/fast didn't aggravate this, dumping toxins out of my fat too quickly. I don't know; I'm just making stuff up. I feel nuts, and a call in to my psychiatrist's office left me feeling more pitiful. Whoever the nurse was I talked to today was not helpful.
Naria last decade
Hello everybody,
You are all so wonderful. I must apologize...I went back and read my post from the other night and realized that I was referring to my brothers father-in-law as Dad. He was to all of us and that was what we called him. I am so sorry. Unfortunatly, I really do not speak to my real dad, so my brothers father in law was a good fill in! I am so sorry!!!!!
Naria, every once in a while, I still have brain zaps. The dizziness was very slow to leave me as well. After awhile, I think I just got used to it. I do still suffer from depression. I just do a really good job at masking it. I have a lot of people and children that are dependant on me and I need to get through this. I am really good at giving you all advice about doing what you need to do to be well, yet...I don't listen to my own advice. Besides that...I do not have insurance and could not afford any medication. Once Jeff and I get married, I will have insurance and am afraid that if I go to the doctor and am prescribed a medication that when I am put on Jeff's insurance that I will not be covered because of a pre-existing condition. I am sorry, I am rambling
I went on another forum about effexor the other day. I searched for answers to how long does the effexor actually stay in your system. Trying to answer some of your questions...I felt so bad for the people on the forum because they were completely lost and did not know why they were feeling the way they were. I have to say that we have got a great support group here!!!!!!! I could not even respond to any of the posts because at the last page for some reason, it said...this thread is no longer taking posts.
Why would that be?
Well ladies and any gents, I've gotta go get popsicles for the kiddys.
Love you all
Lori
You are all so wonderful. I must apologize...I went back and read my post from the other night and realized that I was referring to my brothers father-in-law as Dad. He was to all of us and that was what we called him. I am so sorry. Unfortunatly, I really do not speak to my real dad, so my brothers father in law was a good fill in! I am so sorry!!!!!
Naria, every once in a while, I still have brain zaps. The dizziness was very slow to leave me as well. After awhile, I think I just got used to it. I do still suffer from depression. I just do a really good job at masking it. I have a lot of people and children that are dependant on me and I need to get through this. I am really good at giving you all advice about doing what you need to do to be well, yet...I don't listen to my own advice. Besides that...I do not have insurance and could not afford any medication. Once Jeff and I get married, I will have insurance and am afraid that if I go to the doctor and am prescribed a medication that when I am put on Jeff's insurance that I will not be covered because of a pre-existing condition. I am sorry, I am rambling
I went on another forum about effexor the other day. I searched for answers to how long does the effexor actually stay in your system. Trying to answer some of your questions...I felt so bad for the people on the forum because they were completely lost and did not know why they were feeling the way they were. I have to say that we have got a great support group here!!!!!!! I could not even respond to any of the posts because at the last page for some reason, it said...this thread is no longer taking posts.
Why would that be?
Well ladies and any gents, I've gotta go get popsicles for the kiddys.
Love you all
Lori
regent last decade
Hello everyone. I hope you all are having a wonderful morning. Mine has been crazy busy but that's okay, it makes the day go by faster!
Lori,you give wonderful advice, and we all appreciate it so much. I know it must be hard for you at times, trying to stay so possitive for your family and friends, but I hope you don't think that you have to remain a rock for everyone ALL the time. It is normal if you have a bad day here and there. Everyone does. And you have come so far, getting off Effexor and managing a family and work. You should be so proud of yourself. I hope you realize just how strong and wonderful you are. And you make so many people so happy, I mean come on! You're going to get the kiddies popsicles!
By the way, don't apologize for rambling!! We all do it! Never be sorry: )
The same goes for you Laurel. You have no reason to ever feel sorry for having an off couple of days. You are going through so much! Just let yourself get rid of this Effexor first before you worry about this K your taking. If you need to take it right now that is okay! It has already been mentioned but not all medication is bad. If this helps you please don't feel guilty about taking it! Try not to take on so much, understand and accept that this is a hard time in your life but you will get through this! We all will. Please try not to worry. I know it is easier said than done, but try to put your mind at ease. I mean it really doesn't help when your doctor/ psychiatrist or any form of a doctor makes you feel crazy. It just isn't right. You are there to get help or an opinion, not to be made to feel ridiculous! And the nurses, they are NURSES! They are supposed to be NURTURING and KIND! What did they learn in Nursing School honestly! If you don't have compassion then get out of that job! Geeze that makes me mad!
Anyway Laurel, I just want you to know that I too have been made to feel "pitiful" by some people, but I won't let it happen again. I am not pitiful and nor are you or any of us in this forum.
Chin up sweetie, things will get better. Feel free to vent all you want. We are here for you!!
Now that was a rant! Wow, did I ever go off there for a minute!
Hope everyone is doing well: )
Love and hugs,
Elena
P.S Bonnie, I am happy to hear you are doing well on the 9mg. Keep it up! You are doing so great! I am so happy you have been having a good week! Aside from the sinus cold of course! I haven't started just on the 9 yet, I will be on Monday. But up until now I haven't felt too much of a difference. Thank goodness! Just the beginging was hard. Tryin to stay positive!
xo
Lori,you give wonderful advice, and we all appreciate it so much. I know it must be hard for you at times, trying to stay so possitive for your family and friends, but I hope you don't think that you have to remain a rock for everyone ALL the time. It is normal if you have a bad day here and there. Everyone does. And you have come so far, getting off Effexor and managing a family and work. You should be so proud of yourself. I hope you realize just how strong and wonderful you are. And you make so many people so happy, I mean come on! You're going to get the kiddies popsicles!
By the way, don't apologize for rambling!! We all do it! Never be sorry: )
The same goes for you Laurel. You have no reason to ever feel sorry for having an off couple of days. You are going through so much! Just let yourself get rid of this Effexor first before you worry about this K your taking. If you need to take it right now that is okay! It has already been mentioned but not all medication is bad. If this helps you please don't feel guilty about taking it! Try not to take on so much, understand and accept that this is a hard time in your life but you will get through this! We all will. Please try not to worry. I know it is easier said than done, but try to put your mind at ease. I mean it really doesn't help when your doctor/ psychiatrist or any form of a doctor makes you feel crazy. It just isn't right. You are there to get help or an opinion, not to be made to feel ridiculous! And the nurses, they are NURSES! They are supposed to be NURTURING and KIND! What did they learn in Nursing School honestly! If you don't have compassion then get out of that job! Geeze that makes me mad!
Anyway Laurel, I just want you to know that I too have been made to feel "pitiful" by some people, but I won't let it happen again. I am not pitiful and nor are you or any of us in this forum.
Chin up sweetie, things will get better. Feel free to vent all you want. We are here for you!!
Now that was a rant! Wow, did I ever go off there for a minute!
Hope everyone is doing well: )
Love and hugs,
Elena
P.S Bonnie, I am happy to hear you are doing well on the 9mg. Keep it up! You are doing so great! I am so happy you have been having a good week! Aside from the sinus cold of course! I haven't started just on the 9 yet, I will be on Monday. But up until now I haven't felt too much of a difference. Thank goodness! Just the beginging was hard. Tryin to stay positive!
xo
Elena last decade
Popsicles for the kidneys!! That's how I read Lori's sentence about popsicles for the kiddys. Sounds good to me. I'll have a cherry one, please.
I'm feeling better today. I got some good insight and suggestions at my dep/anx group last night. The topic was shame and empowerment -- so very timely. And with only four of seven there last night lots of time for each of us. Of course, it was good to get support about the non-compassionate nurse. I just remember the time I talked to Star, covering my clinic from a different one, and how wonderful she was and encouraging. Sometimes I am just so sensitive and can be overwhelmed by things. (That's the part of me I need to love and nurture and forgive.) Sometimes I'm the toughest presence in a crisis situation, getting things delegated and decided. I'm better if the crisis isn't about me personally. ;-O
My therapist and I worked on panic attack strategies this morning. I've read every book on anxiety and panic and know all the theories and techniques at an intellectual level. It's time to practice them so I can move toward getting off K. If you read the message boards and such regarding benzodiazepines, you'll see the same kinds of things as we see on the Effexor ones. I want to move toward that goal of no long-term daily use of benzos.
That's why I really like the Hallowell book _Worry_ that I've spoken of here. He advocates short term use of anti-anxiety drugs (as they were meant to be used) and learning coping skills and usually taking one of the SSRIs like Prozac or Zoloft that have good track records for helping anxiety disorders.
I know we can't be our own physicians, but we do have more invested in our own health really than docs who have to see a slew of patients. That reminds me that as I was driving into work this morning I thought of us all as U2 sang "sometimes you can't make it on your own." :-)
Lori, I'm glad of your continuing presence on this forum. And if you found someone, chose someone, who was able to be DAD, then you were truly blessed. If Dawn is one of our mothers, who's to question how we define our relationships?!!!
Thinking of you all and glad for your support and wise and honest sharing here.
L.
L.
I'm feeling better today. I got some good insight and suggestions at my dep/anx group last night. The topic was shame and empowerment -- so very timely. And with only four of seven there last night lots of time for each of us. Of course, it was good to get support about the non-compassionate nurse. I just remember the time I talked to Star, covering my clinic from a different one, and how wonderful she was and encouraging. Sometimes I am just so sensitive and can be overwhelmed by things. (That's the part of me I need to love and nurture and forgive.) Sometimes I'm the toughest presence in a crisis situation, getting things delegated and decided. I'm better if the crisis isn't about me personally. ;-O
My therapist and I worked on panic attack strategies this morning. I've read every book on anxiety and panic and know all the theories and techniques at an intellectual level. It's time to practice them so I can move toward getting off K. If you read the message boards and such regarding benzodiazepines, you'll see the same kinds of things as we see on the Effexor ones. I want to move toward that goal of no long-term daily use of benzos.
That's why I really like the Hallowell book _Worry_ that I've spoken of here. He advocates short term use of anti-anxiety drugs (as they were meant to be used) and learning coping skills and usually taking one of the SSRIs like Prozac or Zoloft that have good track records for helping anxiety disorders.
I know we can't be our own physicians, but we do have more invested in our own health really than docs who have to see a slew of patients. That reminds me that as I was driving into work this morning I thought of us all as U2 sang "sometimes you can't make it on your own." :-)
Lori, I'm glad of your continuing presence on this forum. And if you found someone, chose someone, who was able to be DAD, then you were truly blessed. If Dawn is one of our mothers, who's to question how we define our relationships?!!!
Thinking of you all and glad for your support and wise and honest sharing here.
L.
L.
Naria last decade
hi all...count me in...my only request...any flavor but grape for the popsicles!!
our weather today is picture perfect, so all of you east of illinois...get ready its on the way!!!
markets are closed, need to be in a meeting....just quickly skimmed the posts...hope to write later
~dawn
our weather today is picture perfect, so all of you east of illinois...get ready its on the way!!!
markets are closed, need to be in a meeting....just quickly skimmed the posts...hope to write later
~dawn
wonderingwhy last decade
It's 95 and muggy as can be here in SC. So I will need several popsicles. My son arrived last night to play in the golf tournament with his dad. He bought 2 new drivers--boys and their toys.
We woke up to a dead car this morning. They just came and towed it away. My dishwasher died two weeks ago, my pool sweep died last week. What next?
One more 37.5 dose before the drop on Sunday am. Will be busy with tournament this week (our ladies golf group does a big fund raiser off the guys during this event). Talk to you in a couple of days. - Cat
We woke up to a dead car this morning. They just came and towed it away. My dishwasher died two weeks ago, my pool sweep died last week. What next?
One more 37.5 dose before the drop on Sunday am. Will be busy with tournament this week (our ladies golf group does a big fund raiser off the guys during this event). Talk to you in a couple of days. - Cat
catgranny last decade
Hi everyone, Naria I too take a benzo my is ativan. I have taken it for quite a while. Told my doctor I would like to get off of it too. He said well, we are doing one thing at a time. I am not sure I understand what you are doing.
Are you weaning from both effexor and K. According to my doctor this is not a good idea. He said we will deal with these things one at a time. For me, I think the ativan is helping my anxiety in getting off of effexor.
This is just my doctor's opinion. He is a pschyc. (sp)
doctor. I always mean to look the spelling up of that word, before I use it again. My memory has been terrible since I started taking Effexor. I am hoping that will improve.
I love popsicles. My favorte is orange. I still have the little girl in me.
Sometimes, while watching my grandchildren play, it takes me back to my childhood days of playing when school lets out and just so carefree. I can just feel it now.
Sorry, I got side tracked.
Anyway, hope everyone is having a good day. It is very nice here today also. Low humidity.
Take care and Hugs.
Bonnie
Are you weaning from both effexor and K. According to my doctor this is not a good idea. He said we will deal with these things one at a time. For me, I think the ativan is helping my anxiety in getting off of effexor.
This is just my doctor's opinion. He is a pschyc. (sp)
doctor. I always mean to look the spelling up of that word, before I use it again. My memory has been terrible since I started taking Effexor. I am hoping that will improve.
I love popsicles. My favorte is orange. I still have the little girl in me.
Sometimes, while watching my grandchildren play, it takes me back to my childhood days of playing when school lets out and just so carefree. I can just feel it now.
Sorry, I got side tracked.
Anyway, hope everyone is having a good day. It is very nice here today also. Low humidity.
Take care and Hugs.
Bonnie
BonnieR last decade
BonnieR last decade
Bonnie,
No, I'm not trying to go off K right now, but I have that as a goal. My doctors (also psychiatrists) see that as a doable goal. Sometimes it just gets me down that I'm on it, helpful as it has been. I must be on a purity kick. :-) I feel better knowing I have a benzo-buddy.
My sweetie, mostly a good speller but terrible at proofreading his e-mails, always says, "If you can't spell a word more than one way, you're lacking in creativity."
Also a beautiful day here with the promise of 4 (at least) rain-free days.
Do you think Sheila's pool sweeper really died or is she teasing us? It sounds straight out of Desperate Housewives. Of course, I don't have a pool, so having a pool sweeper seems exotic. LOL Probably not so uncommon in SC.
I must do some work. I keep thinking it's Friday, and it's not.
Laurel
No, I'm not trying to go off K right now, but I have that as a goal. My doctors (also psychiatrists) see that as a doable goal. Sometimes it just gets me down that I'm on it, helpful as it has been. I must be on a purity kick. :-) I feel better knowing I have a benzo-buddy.
My sweetie, mostly a good speller but terrible at proofreading his e-mails, always says, "If you can't spell a word more than one way, you're lacking in creativity."
Also a beautiful day here with the promise of 4 (at least) rain-free days.
Do you think Sheila's pool sweeper really died or is she teasing us? It sounds straight out of Desperate Housewives. Of course, I don't have a pool, so having a pool sweeper seems exotic. LOL Probably not so uncommon in SC.
I must do some work. I keep thinking it's Friday, and it's not.
Laurel
Naria last decade
Laurel, I know what you are saying. I have said that to my doctor before, and he says well, would you feel guilty taking something for diabetes, or suppose you had cancer. So, I stop and think well, that is true. I can't help what kind of sickness I have. These drugs will help me get well. You would be suprised at the number of people walking on this earth taking something like this.
I mean it. Anyway, I am one of those people that guilt likes to ride right on top of my shoulder. I really have to talk myself out of it sometimes.
I think your husband has a wonderful idea about spelling words. I must really have great creativity. LOL
I am cleaning house today, so I had better get back to it, before the notion stricks me to quit.
Love,
Bonnie
I mean it. Anyway, I am one of those people that guilt likes to ride right on top of my shoulder. I really have to talk myself out of it sometimes.
I think your husband has a wonderful idea about spelling words. I must really have great creativity. LOL
I am cleaning house today, so I had better get back to it, before the notion stricks me to quit.
Love,
Bonnie
BonnieR last decade
happy friday all!!!
i interpreted sheila's pool sweeper as one of those devices that you put into the pool & it cleans the bottom while it navigates around without a human operating it, my neighbor has one.
laurel, i love your sweeties take on spelling!
This is Steph's 5th week E free...she told me the night before, she is sleeping soundly (this past week), no sweats, zaps, tingles, etc. all in all feeling fine, no more E w/d's...we all experience down, bitchy, p.m.s. kinda days here & there... & i say, oh well, we all just have to deal, that's life...we can't be perfect & happy-go-lucky in a great mood
constantly...(how boring would that be?!)that's what makes the world go 'round.
i mentioned steph's roomate is visiting this weekend...last night shannon set a Px bottle on the kitchen island (her reminder), while they went out for a run, i noticed it was a bottle of EFFEXOR, i knew she takes this(3/4yrs), i wanted to give her a hug & well you know the rest, but i couldn't go there...(her mom takes it as well, this was one of the reasons steph was happy to be given this med., i rememeber her telling me not to worry, shannon & her mom are on this too)
i guess i am rambling now...i'm glad its friday, luckily, its another beautiful day, high of 70/low humidity...wishing you all a good weekend...no matter what kind of mood you're "in" today....go with it, think of those less desireable days, as "character builders" !!!
Always keep a smile in your hearts...
~dawn
i interpreted sheila's pool sweeper as one of those devices that you put into the pool & it cleans the bottom while it navigates around without a human operating it, my neighbor has one.
laurel, i love your sweeties take on spelling!
This is Steph's 5th week E free...she told me the night before, she is sleeping soundly (this past week), no sweats, zaps, tingles, etc. all in all feeling fine, no more E w/d's...we all experience down, bitchy, p.m.s. kinda days here & there... & i say, oh well, we all just have to deal, that's life...we can't be perfect & happy-go-lucky in a great mood
constantly...(how boring would that be?!)that's what makes the world go 'round.
i mentioned steph's roomate is visiting this weekend...last night shannon set a Px bottle on the kitchen island (her reminder), while they went out for a run, i noticed it was a bottle of EFFEXOR, i knew she takes this(3/4yrs), i wanted to give her a hug & well you know the rest, but i couldn't go there...(her mom takes it as well, this was one of the reasons steph was happy to be given this med., i rememeber her telling me not to worry, shannon & her mom are on this too)
i guess i am rambling now...i'm glad its friday, luckily, its another beautiful day, high of 70/low humidity...wishing you all a good weekend...no matter what kind of mood you're "in" today....go with it, think of those less desireable days, as "character builders" !!!
Always keep a smile in your hearts...
~dawn
wonderingwhy last decade
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