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Hi there,
I have been doing alot of reading about natural products and I was wondering if anyone has heard of or tried inositol. It is a form of b vitamin that helps with the receptors in the brain. I guess they have had sucess in depression and panic attacks. I am comming off of effexor because I hate the side effects but was put on it for panic attacks and I am really scared of the withdrawl symptoms and the return of the panic attacks. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
God Bless,
Kmh522

Ahh thanks Elena I really appreciate your kind words. I feel like checking back in and lending an ear and lending my experience with effexor detox is the least I can do. I know it is always nice to have someone say...been there..done that and so can you! It is theraputic for me too.

I also freak out if I feel like I am getting in a rut but your right just be patient and try to relax and don't get too paranoid :)

To Khmh522 I have never tried herbal remedies but I certainly believe in their benefits. There is a great homeopath that responds in other threads you can type Kuldeep (his screenname on forum) into the search box and try to contact him about depression remedies or contact your own homeopath. I think if I ever feel that I need meds again I will be trying those methods first and foremost. Kuldeep is very thorough in asking questions without leading in any direction before he makes a reccomendation. Heck I may go search him down right now and see what he has to say on this matter. Ill post a link if a conversation ensues. If anyone else has tried true homeopathic remedies feel free to jump in here because I have not ever though I believe in them strongly.

Jami

I sent him an email this is what I wrote to him..oh he is an M.D also

Dr Kuldeep

I was wondering if you could give a little assistance to some of us on the ABC forums. The thread link is http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/1663/ it is one of the longest threads on the forums and has had over 72,000 views I started when there were 9 pages...it is now up to 60 pages long. It is for those of us trying to wean off Effexor XR the antidpressant and there is some serious need of a homeopath to help with the major withdraw issues and some information on homeopathic remedies to use as alternative to antidpressant meds. If you could please jump on and lend a hand it would be most valuable. Thank you for your time.

Jami


Guess we will see!
::crossing fingers:::

Hi Jami,
Thank You so much! I really hope he responds. I really hate being on E and so much want to be rid of it, I am just so darn scared. The time period that I went through the panic attacks is one I am horrified at repeating. I know my life is much much better now and I have the support of a wonderful man now, not to mention my kids, but.... I tell myself that I will succeed but something tells me if another panic attack happens, all will be lost. I guess that is why I am looking so hard for alternate remedies, even if it is only that I believe they work may do the trick. One more week on the 37.5 then down to every other day although I was thinking I should cut the pill in half and still do every day. He did not give me the xr for this so it would be easy to cut if half. I hate being so darn afraid!!! Thanks for you reply and I look forward to hopefully hearing from kuldeep.
God Bless,
kmh522 (Kim)

Kmh522,
I have heard of Inositol and my NP had put me on it some time ago, but with so many other supplements, that eventually I quit all of them, so I don't recall any positive or negative effect from inositol. I read up about it after your post and it sounds like something I would try.
I am today 6 days free of E, started 400mg Sam-e three days ago. Still some dizzy head spinning moments during the day, vision problems seem to be less, driving still a little scary and a little frazzled, mostly close to evening, but for the most part feeling good, happpy, even laughing every now and then, getting my sex drive back (won't my huband be happy when we meet up next week.) is probably one of the best parts of this process. Don't know quite if the change is simply stopping the E or also taking the SAM-e. Doing the research on SAM-E I can not find any negative report, as a matter of fact, it sounds like everyone should be able to benifit from it.
I imagine, the reason why I was put on E in the first place is still there and I am hoping that I can deal with it with the SAM-E. If that does not do the trick I am certainly open to other natural remedies, never again a medicine. But one thing is for sure, I will not give up trying to find a way to balance out my obviously screwed up system. I just have to be careful not to go overboard, as is my tendency, and give each new remedy a chance first before I start combining everything I hear about.
Thanks Jami for the reference of Kuldeep.. I will check that out as well.
Elena, I feel how determined you are, keep talking to us, it helps me stay real with myself.
D

Just FYI SAM-E has some precautions for patients that may be bi polar...heart disease and parkinson patients here is a link to what UC Berkeley Dietary Studies had to say on it http://www.berkeleywellness.com/html/ds/dsSAMe.php

not trying to contradict ya D I have heard great things on it also just making sure all bases are covered :)

Jami

Ohh look at the top of this page it is a paid advertisement link Antidepressant Withdraw (The Road Back program) I clicked it and it did address something about the brain zaps and taking Omega-3's to counteract them...might be worth looking into...sorry im spinning my wheels today :)Ill shut up now :::zips lips::

Jami

Hi everyone: Well, I have been on SAM-E and 5-HTP for about a month now. It has been exactly 4 days since my last anxiety attack and I now feel 100% better! I was having multiple anxiety attacks daily and questioning life in general, etc. Anyway, I'm not going to repeat my whole story again, but I just wanted everyone to know that SAM-E and 5-HTP work very well for me. I used to sleep 12-14 hours a night and now I get up after 7 hours sleep on my own, without an alarm clock, feeling great. It's hard not to think that these two drugs? helped me out very much and gave me an alternative for E.

Regarding SAM-e having a potential negative affect on your heart - where SAM-E converts into homocysteine - which has been proven to increase heart disease, you need to take the cofactors, vitamin B6 (50 mg), vitamin B12 (1000 mcg), and folic acid (800 mcg), to enhance production of the SAMe precursor, methionine. Homocysteine has been implicated as a contributing factor in heart disease, osteoarthritis and other degenerative conditions. So, to avoid conversion of SAMe into high levels of homocysteine you should also be taking these supplements. Apart from some mild stomach upset (rarely caused) and not taking SAM-e at night (SAM-e is used in the body naturally during the day and not at night) this drug has a good chance of helping you with depression.

hello to everyone!

i had really wanted to post daily so that i could monitor my own "progress", as well as share with everyone else, but i have been unbelievably busy for the past few days; i guess keeping busy is good therapy, anyways.

sun, mon, & tues, i did not take any med; i was starting to get very irratable, so i decided to take 1/3 of a 75 on wed morn. on tues night & wed night, i went rollerblading with an old friend i used to always skate with; she just called me out of the blue on tues & asked if i was interested & i said hell ya! (exercise is good! :-) we skated for at least an hour each night, & i have to tell you all that my natural endorphine levels were off the charts while i was skating!! i remember acting just plain silly, speaking very positively, & was optimistic about everything i'd been through & what i still expected to have to go through. i felt such a sense of intense elation, i was laughing at my own behavior, telling jokes, giggling, & basically just being a total goof! wow! what awesome therapy! and after being ill for so long that i could not have exercised if i wanted to, when i put on my skates for the first time in about a year & a half, i was so surprised! i skated with the grace of a ballerina; i felt like i was flying! and i really did not even feel tired at all; my friend couldn't even keep up with me, & she hasn't even been sick! it was her idea to stop & go home, not mine; i could've kept going all night!

i was supposed to go last night with my friend to her gym for an ab workout, a yoga class, & a detoxification in the sauna, but unfortunately an emergency came up, & i couldn't go with her. i wish i did, because she went alone anyway & called me when she was done; she said the yoga class was a "mental orgasm" for her! damn, i guess i gotta make a point to go next week for sure!

i have taken this withdrawl process like grabbing a bull by the horns; i will not let it defeat me this time! i pre-warned everyone i know to just be a little patient with me for right now, & help keep the environmental-type stress away from me as much as possible. i started to have a bit of a meltdown wed afternoon cuz my bank account was overdrawn, i couldn't pay my co-pay for visit with my breast reconstruction surgeon, & my job owed me money for some extra work i did several months back. i was sitting in my truck in a parking lot, starting to lose it, called up my job whining about all my problems, called & whined to my husband; (he actually is taking this quite seriously), & he told me to just TRY to calm down & relax. he was really worried about me!! then my job calls & tells me my check is ready; come & get it. i run & get it, deposit it, get my refferal, & i was fine after that. thank god.

today is friday, & i haven't had any E since wed morn when i took that third of a 75, & i had skipped 3 days prior to that. i'm actually not doing too bad at all, so far. i've also been sleeping quite well at night all week, waking up easier in the mornings, & being more alert once i'm up. yay. and all this time, i thought all my problems were related to recovery from my aggressive cancer treatments. i am feeling 90% better already, & it's only day 8 of my med intake modification plan. i not effexor-free yet, but i'm looking forward to it; i want my life back so bad i can almost taste it; after suffering with cancer for a year & a half, and now finding out most of my residual problems are not cancer-related at all, but effexor-related... i just want to free myself of all the debilitating poisons that have stolen precious time from my life!


speaking of being a goof, what's up with you, jami? you have been acting a little silly yourself lately! but it's all good; laughter is good for the soul! you were lol yesterday for sure!

i have some work to do right now, & i want to respond to some of your posts, but i just wanted you all to know i'm doing very well so far.

i hope everyone is doing as well as possible under the circumstances; i hope some of you ongoing depression sufferers are trying my vitamin supplement recipe, and eating healthy!!! and exercising!!! i cannot begin to tell you all what a boost i have felt since my skating sessions!! pick yourselves up by the bootstraps, dust yourselves off, & take your lives back!!

good luck, godspeed & may god bless all of you & give you the strength you need!

love, Ruthie

Ruthie I am SMILING ear-to-ear at your positive post. You can tell you were writing it with a smile and a light heart. That is SOO wonderful your doing a great job!! Yes I have been goofy I am goofy and I love it!:)

Catherine I am glad your SAM-E is working !!! I say whatever works is A OK in my book!

Jami

I have been taking effexor for about three years. I have tried to get off of them several times and have the same horrible side effects, headache, nausea, dizziness...I take a pill and it goes away. I need to know if there is a herbal substitute to aide and assist in the detox. I am a deputy sheriff and I am afraid of what might happen if I become dizzy while on duty. Help. I don't want this anymore. I want to be normal on my own.

Hi everyone,

Have had a few rough days here but am still so blessed to have found this group.

I decided to stick with my tapering process and have gone from 225 gm (2 + years) down to 150 for February (BAD MONTH - more migraines than ever - and now March from 150 to 75. First days of March NOT GOOD - worse than February ...got scared and took 150 again....then found this board and made new commitment to try 75 again and just keep getting it out of my system. Because I have migraines its hard to tell which way is up anyway in terms of symptoms...

This morning it is a terrbile sore throat
and feeling generally zero energy, my eyes seem more blurry than usual and in general I feel like I have a flu. I am in bed cause I do not have the energy to be walking around.....and I don't get sore throats. I think my poor body is just worn out from all this wierdness
let alone not being interested in having sex with my partner....or the lack of motivation to do anything these past 2 years....

gosh..my doc was asking me to consider if maybe I should be taking MORE...and go up to 300 mg....
I didn't want to and so said I'll give it a few more months and let you know...

Jami,

Thanks for writing to Kuldeep...yes reading his posts were promising
AND YOURS TOO

Catherinann...Sam-E is wonderful...I tried it once to see if it would help my mood...I have heard that it works on a Sluggish Liver sluggish meaning there is too much to be processed by the Liver thereby making it sluggish...or sluggish because it is has too much toxicity - Liver is the organ that handles all harmful chemicals and toxic substances that we take into our body (which can be related to depression). Sam-E helps it and it is able to feel more buoyant. It worked for awhile for me but then stopped. I have a friend on it as well and she is very happy with it. On my next visit to the city I will see my herbalist and check into it again....

Oh and what is 5-HTP?

Ruthie....Wow Roller blading...and all that exercise sounds wonderful. You are doing great! Yes, I agree that the day will come when we are all off of these nasty 'drugs'.

Is anyone here A Course In Miracles student? does anyone here have a spiritual practice or meditate?

Till next time...oh and sometimes I disappear for 2 or 3 days with these migraines but once again THANK YOU.

yes jami, you are right about my good mood; i just hope it stays this way & i can become myself again without suffering so much grief this time in the process of getting there.

my husband is in a motorcycle club & every friday is our "club night", for all the guys & girls to get together; it's kind of like having sunday dinner with your family; same concept, but a little different!! i ALWAYS used to go to EVERYthing, but lately i had lost interest in going anywhere anymore or even going riding at all. i actually bought that bike for my husband, brand new off the H-D showroom floor 8 years ago for his 24th b-day. it was an awesome surprise for him, but my ulterior motive was so that he could ride me around on it all the time! how sad that i lost interest in going riding or attending all the biker parties on sundays...i lost interest in so many things i used to love... but today my husband asked me if i was going up to the clubhouse with him tonight & i said ok! so i'm going riding tonight! (i'm even hoping i have time for a quick skate before we leave!) oh...just a little FYI for anyone from up north who may be questioning my sanity right now, i live in south florida, sun & fun capital of the U.S.! year round outdoor activities, and sunshine to elevate the mood as you had suggested in a previous post, jami! :-)

i also noticed several of you (doris, finallygetit, & even jami) expressing interest in homeopathic remedies, etc., in your posts...hey guys,! did ya read my vitamin/supplement "recipe"? it's posted on page 60. as i mentioned in that post, i was VERY serious about homeopathy many years ago when i found the article on depression. as far as i'm concerned, this is a 100% bonafide homeopathic remedy to treat depression naturally, tried & true; i know because it worked for me 13 years ago. while there are no guarantees it will help EVERYone, giving it a try certainly can't hurt. it's all natural vitamins & supplements, but taken at a higher than normal dose. and as far as cutting out things that are bad for you, that can't hurt either! and jeez, jami, don't get too depressed about cutting sugar out of your diet completely! just cut back a little, whatever makes you feel better. i also found that when i used this remedy, it took away the desire for eating junkfood, & also as i mentioned in that previous post, it took away the desire to drink alcohol, and particularly to excess.

elena, you mentioned you might give my remedy a try, & asked if i thought it would help with anxiety. i never had suffered from anxiety until i got hooked on this dope. now that i am feeling a little better, i haven't experienced any anxiety attacks, except for the little "almost-meltdown" i had the other day over money, or lack of it, when it was owed to me! (but that's understandable, right?) so like i was just suggesting, regarding a homeopathic remedy to treat depression, it certainly can't hurt. besides, i would dare to say if you feel less depressed, you may not even experience anxiety attacks any more; i think the 2 sort of go hand-in-hand & feed off each other; a snowball effect, of sorts. makes sense to me, anyway... please do give it a try, elena; it may also help alleviate the recurring "withdrawl" (?) symptoms you've been experiencing as of late.

jami, you mentioned working for a company that sells vitamins & all kinds of healthy natural products; well there ya go! you have no excuse not to give it a try! i'm really hoping that some of you who want to feel better, but never want to see a drug again will try this remedy, and it would do my heart good to hear some positive feedback! (you know, i read somewhere that THE one & only thing in life that gives a person TRUE satisfaction is: helping others, & giving a part of yourself to others in need!! i honestly believe that this is true with all my heart; whenever i do a good deed, it makes me feel "all warm & fuzzy" inside; much greater gratification than any amount of money could ever buy. i'm feeling so much better already just since i found this forum, & reading posts from so many of you; you all have educated & inspired me to take this step & take my life back; i am so greatful, i honestly want to give something back to each & every one of you if i can!!)

i gotta go home & get ready for my bike ride tonight. have a great friday night everybody!

Ruthie

Hi all,
Well I am on day 9 of cutting my E down to 37.5 mg and actually am feeling a little better today. I still can't seem to get rid of the dull headache in the front of my forhead but I don't know if that is from cutting down on the E or the fact that I completely stopped caffine. I am a big coffee drinker so going to decaf probrably shocked the heck out of my system. Elena, I am looking for remedies for Anxiety as well. I have started to take a B vitamin complex and trying inositol. I heard you shouldn't take 5-HTP until completely off the effexor so I will try that when the time comes (if I ever get there, lol) I have one more week on 37.5 then supposed to drop it in half, I am really nervous about that but I guess we'll just have to wait and see and take it as it comes. Hopefully NO PANIC ATTACKS!! Ruthie, that is so awsome that you are doing so well, I hope to see us all posting great stories like that in the future. One thing I am noticing is I seem to pay attention to my breathing alot, is this normal, anyone know? Everyone have a great weekend!!!
God Bless,
Kim

Kim I remember clearly the very first time I was diagnosed as having panic attacks and anxiety I remember sitting in the room and talking to the doctor about my symptoms and he said something about anxiety and he said he could tell because I kept taking a deep breath and sort of letting it out really slowly...basically trying not to hyperventilate I guess so I would say being aware of your breathing is an anxiety issue for sure. When I have a full blown panic attack I am always really aware of my arms its like they want to flail all over...I have only had one panic attack that last few months though so that is progress!

Welcome davef:

For those of you with the withdraw symptoms I would say Ruthies concoction sounds promising..I also read yesterday to try an OMEGA-3 fatty acid supplement to curb the brain shocks...and several people had great relief with a natural product called Chaser (hangover remedy) it is found in Rite Aid, Longs probably even Walmart. It is only a couple dollars a box and is supposed to help with the equilibrium, headache and fuzzy feeling in your head. Someone else suggested products for travel sickness to curb those and nausea feelings.

Finallygetit my doctor also kept upping my dosage when I would try to wean off. His mentality was I needed more to be ok. Not that I needed to be off them. Needless to say I have a new doctor :)

I also read on another homeopath site that a few days of having a fresh juice only fast can clean a systems toxins out very thoroughly though I am guessing that unless you could take a few days off to do that it might be very beneficial but torture lol.

Ruthie I wana marry you! I always wanted to ride on a Harley too!!! Not sure if I could drive it but riding on the back sounds like a lot of fun! I am hooked on Orange County Choppers Show on T.V the bikes are so awesome not to mention I think Paul JR is a hotty. I am glad you felt like getting involved again! That is the best feeling when you suddenly FEEEEEEL again!

Kim I had the worst time cutting caffeine from my diet ...headaches GALORE! They lasted about a month.I was a PEPSIHOLIC... I can imagine if I had done it at the same time I was having the Effexor Detox headaches...YIKES. I waited till I was done with the effexor to kick the caffeine but if you can manage it more power to ya!!!!

Keep up the positive work guys!!! Ruthies continuing success is proof that one day at a time works!

Jami

eight days off E. I decided not to take a sleep aid last night and had again trouble sleeping with lots of terror dreams and those brain zaps, seems like fire crackers or loud banging sounds going off in the back of my head. I have done the juice fasting and felt great, but have been on a food binge ever since I went off it, and gaining weight steadily. Had terrible night sweats last night too, and last night before going to sleep had a panic attack with crying fit about finances. Today my eyes are swollen shut... I hate that... One thing that the E had done for me, I no longer suffered from hot flashes (I'm 56) and so I quit taking my hormone replacement cream. So some of my symptoms I am experiencing now might be the hormone imbalance.
Jami, thank you for the explanation about the breathing. I am noticing that I am constantly taking very deep breaths and still it seems like I am not getting enough air.
My grand daughter ( she is 5 ) is coming over this afternoon and staying the night. Some of my problem might be that I am alone here and have too much time to think.. will be fun having her over, we'll be preparing for a surprise birthday party for my daughter tomorrow afternoon.

Ruthie, I'm taking your advice about your vitamin regiment.. am already on some of what it calls for. Bet you had a great time riding yesterday... Getting out is so very important for us, and I have been very guilty just sitting at home... well, not just sitting, we have a business that is usually kinda slow at this time of year and I am answering the phone from home... I do much better if I just go to the office.
Wishing everyone a great weekend
D

I received email from DR Kuldeep he said he was aware of our forum thread as it was the longest he had seen. He said he will get back to us in a couple days.

:)

Jami

k, so ive been completely off the E for about a week and a half to 2 weeks, the brain zaps are all but gone, the general feeling of being out of it has gone, i still have a little trouble at sleep time, but even that is getting better. i cant say that im happy all the time, but i CAN feel happy, which is a big change, abd im not totally depressed all the time, maybe just a little more than a "normal" person, but overall i feel alot better, i feel like myself for the first time in a LONG time.

Hello all, Well today is day 12 I think. I am feeling somewhat normal. The brain zaps are few in between now as long as I dont close my eyes! I think I am having panic attacks now, I guess thats nothing after the past week and a half. I hope I am not taking to much tylenol I have bad headaches still. They are morning, noon, and night. I have found taking the tylenol PM is helping me sleep and the dreams seem to be fewer at least I am not remembering them. I chose the PM bevause I dont want to be anything anymore that i may get addicted to!!! Hope everyone is well

Tammi

Wow, disappear for a few days and a whole new page of entries has appeared....lol. I have been Effexor free now for 6 weeks and am feeling awesome. My regiment of natural remedies is:

900 mg St. Johns Wort daily
B Complex 100 - 1 a day
Daily Vitamin - 1 a day
High DHA Fish oil - 1 tsp x 2 a day

My naturopath has also given me a homeopathic remedy "Sepia" which really works. It helps me when I get overwhelmed and over emotional, it usually takes a few hours for me to calm down and lasts for about 48 hours, I totally recommend it. I did ask my naturopath about 5-HTP and she did not have much faith in it, she said she has had better results with SJW.

AND....the biggie.......my sex drive is back.......whoooo hooooooo. I totally had given up hope that I would ever have the desire again and was I wrong. It sure feels good having the urges back, I have been trying to tell my husband that it wasn't him, that I truly was attracted to him and he had a hard time understanding why I didn't have any drive if it wasn't because of it. I think he might be enlightened now.....lol ;o)

So hold in there everyone, it has taken some of us years (5 years for me) to get to this low point so things aren't going to undo themselves overnight.

Kerry

Hi all,
Kerry, Thanks for the info, how do you take them, in the morning, night, all at the same time??? Did you use anything when comming off the effexor? I am having a very anxious day today for some reason, not feeling very good and this dog gone headache doesn't seem like it is ever going to go away, it really hurts to move my eyes. Unfortunately I am at work so it just makes it all that much worse. I am really afraid of cuttng the 37.5 in half which I am supposed to start on Friday. I am starting to wonder if I am going to make it through this.
Kim

Hi Kim, I take 600 mg SJW, 1 multi and fish oil in morning, 300 mg SJW, 1 B complex and fish oil at night.

I took a year to come off Effexor very slowly and found ginger pills & ginger tea helped with the nausea. I also remember feeling that I would never get off this stuff, and each drop terrified me but my desire to get off the stuff kept driving me whilst my determination to not end up back on it kept me doing it slowly.

You can do this, believe in yourself and know that you can beat it. BTW, this is my 5th attempt at dropping anti-depressants and with all the other attempts I have ended up back on meds within a month. I am now at 6 weeks and counting so I know I am doing something right.

Kerry

Hi Kerry, Thanks for the boost of encouragment! I really do want off this stuff, I guess I am just scared but I will definately say this forum is a great help. I'm sorry but I have one more question. Did you have to wait until you were off the effexor to start any of this?
Thank You so Much!!
Kim

Hi everyone,
I hope you all had a great weekend! I felt that I experienced extreme highs and lows this weekend, more lows than highs, but at least there were highs! And good ones! It's so odd, sometimes I am sooooo happy and then I fall back into the down state.
Dorris,thank you for your encouragement and for reassuring me it's okay for me to keep blabbing to you guys.
Ruthie, thanks I think you are right, it really couldnt hurt to try your remedy. I know I need to get my butt in gear and get back into exercise and yoga. I need to do it more often!!! And stop writing/talking about it and do it!!!
I noticed that I have been getting killer headaches and tension in my shoulders, my neck up to my skull and the top of my head. It's so odd. And a really big pain in the a**. I also have been having these surreal moments when I just feel totally out of it.My eyes are flickering and I feel like I cant see well at times. I rememeber having this when I was getting off the E. I wonder now if it is just some of the side effects ressurfacing like Jami suggested. Maybe because I am stressed out right now? I have read that this could be anxiety related as well.
My poor little mind is just so overactive right now. I need to calm it down! LOL I have had an active imagination all my life, and I know that even as a child I was a worry wart. I just cant stand feeling this outta control. Like I cant shake these horrible feelings. Feeling like I dont wanna go anywhere or do anything or even talk to anyone. I know I will some day get through this. And I have been told that it wont just go away tomorrow. It will take a little work.
Thanks again you guys for listening to me rant. I hope you all have a great day, and I am deffinatly interested to see what Dr Kuldeep has to say.Thank you again Jami! You are the best!
Hugs and Prayers
Elenaxo

Hello everyone,
It has been along time sense I have posted. I have been off effexor I think for 6 or 7 months. I stopped keeping track because I am so greatfull for not being a slave to it anymore.

I just wanted to offer words of encouragment to all. It seems like it wasnt even real, and now the wounds are healed and I am going on with life. I lost about 10 pounds, but no more then that. However, I can talk in full sentances, I can walk without feeling dizzy. I can close my eyeys without spinning. I feel normal again.

What worked for me was slowly going off. Breaking open the capsules and pouring them out. I also took a low dose of valum at night, to help with the dreams and dizziness. It really helped.

For those of you that have gone off and are still suffering with deppresion. Just because Effexor is toxic, doesnt meen there isn't anything else out there for you. Good luck in finding what works, dont give up and NEVER go back on Effexor.

Keep your chin up there is light at the end of this very dark and dizzy tunnel.

Best Wishes
Sadie