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I ordered but will not receive for a few more days. I have found a homeopath that I plan to pick it up from today before picking my son up from school.

I will not touch...I'm very good about that. And, I will also order 200C.

Still looks like he is only going number two every other day.

Thank you.
[message edited by l471530 on Mon, 19 Mar 2012 01:09:55 GMT]
 
l471530 last decade
Dear, remember, ONE dose (5 pellets) of Med 30C, then wait for a week. If I am correct about mold, then you can expect detoxification (from mold toxins) reaction, a rather strong one. He might start having head aches, sneezing, discharge from his nose. Give him activated charcoal 2 capsules as often as 2 times a day to prevent it from reabsorption from intestines, as some of it will be disposed off this way. Give him plenty of fruits, vitamin C in a buffered form to support adrenals since it is a stress on a body. Have him drink Power of 4 juice, order if you have to, it has antioxidant properties and neuro support plus microelements he needs. Remember that our body is a machine. You can fix it with homeopathy, but it still needs fuel to run (supplements).
 
Lylla last decade
I did the parasite cleanse to clear my skin and it also knocked out my allergies to plants and food, plus a host of other problems I thought were genetic. It was 30 bucks, all natural and I'm in the best health of my life. It was like getting a miracle. Try it.
 
ampmail last decade
A few things...

I still have one item on your list to get before I give my son the remedy. He has already started taking the quercetin and vit. C (he was taking but I got the buffered kind now). He also does taking a daily vitamin.

I have ordered the 200C Med.

I found this information and I guess I am still wondering why we are not diluting the 30C to see how my son reacts...especially since he is so sensitive.

Please take a look and respond.
http://www.drluc.com/lecture-two.html
http://www.drluc.com/lecture-three.html

I would like to dilute the first dose so we can see how he reacts...please let me know if this is okay and how to do. Thank you.
 
l471530 last decade
My phone did a number on me, I think it just deleted my reply. Any way,
Of course, it is a better method, I thought you simply wanted to put a dose in water and give it to him as a drink. But if you know how to do it, you have a bottle, and you did this before, then we can try. I worry about handling of the medicine, it is really a sensitive issue, and I guess, that is why folks prefer to use it dry under the tong. Some brands out there would not work even if taken directly from the tube.
 
Lylla last decade
The more I think about it, the more it seems like the only way to do, giving his condition. He will not have even detoxification reaction then. Let me get back to you with details as I am thinking on whats and hows. You might need more than one bottle though, disposable plastic cups and spoons.
Do you have experience with it?
 
Lylla last decade
I do have a little experience from my daughter's situation. In her case, I was asked to take water and mix with alcohol (5 to 1 ratio). I then added 3 or 4 pellets to that bottle. I was told to firmly tap the bottle on a surface like a book on a table two times. Then I was to take like 1/2 cup from that and put it into a plastic cup, and I was to add 1 cup of water. From that new mixture I gave my daughter 2 tsp (plastic, of course). It is my understanding that the number of times the first bottle is tapped depends on what is revealed from the reaction from the previous dosage...no experience with that. I guess, in my opinion, I would at least like to start as I have described above and see where it takes us. If there is absolutely no change within a few days, then we may need to increase successions (some term like that).

Have you always just given straight pills...and how many years experience do you have in homeopathy? I don't believe we have the blind leading the blind but we are trying to remain open to try what makes sense for my son's situation -- and my gut is saying we may be better ensuring that we minimize the aggravations we we can...which I believe is why some use this watering down technique.

From experience with my daughter's situation, the straight pill can play havoc on one's physical and mental health...you get worse before better and if we can minimize and still be successful, I think it is much better.

I will plan to mix as described above to prepare the first bottle. I do not plan to give him his first dosing until tomorrow (as he has two tests in school and I don't want this to impact that). If you can confirm how many times I should hit the bottle, that would be wonderful. Also, maybe you can confirm the mixture of the second preparation (plastic cup).

Thank you very much. BTW, my son's situation is unchanged -- not better and not worse.
 
l471530 last decade
The vitamin supplements I recommended were meant to use in case he develops acute detoxification reaction after the first dose. They were not meant to substitute homeopathy or help with the symptoms. Quercetin does help with mild symptoms, but your son's condition is, I guess, much worse.
My background is allopathic MD, and just like many doctors who are passionate about helping people, I was attracted to homeopathy and incorporated it in the practice, but still consider myself a student, because there is much diversity in opinions. I normally do not take cases on forums and only look through to confirm things to myself and learn. In your case, I just could not hold myself silent, because I did not want a mistake to happen. Most people overlook symptoms of Medorrhinium, but not me. Why? Because as painful as it is, my son is Med too, and he is almost the copy of yours.
It is good that you have previous experience with the dilutions and succussions; I mean, I do not have to write much on that. But you are right, I do not use it on a regular basis, I use 'a minimal single dose, then wait and see' method, which gives results slower, and not as safe, but easier for people to use. Again, you are right about the way to prepare a wet dose, as I have read about it. Use it.
Your son is blessed to have a mom like you.
 
Lylla last decade
Each step of making the Split Dose can be adjusted to create less aggravation or a stronger medicinal effect. You are right to think that how you make that adjustment will depend on the specific response of the patient. It is important to remember that remedy selection and potency is not the only facet of treatment that needs to be individualised. It is vital to make sure dosage is also adjusted.

You would increase the succussions (hits) if the remedy becomes less effective, descrease them if the patient seems to overeact to the dose. You could do the same with the amount of water, or the number of drops. It gives a practitioner a great deal of ability to manage aggravation or disease resistance.

I was the one who prescribed Nat-mur for your daughter last year, but I never got any feedback from you as to what happened. Is she alright?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
First, let me thank you again. I feel blessed, like you have been sent to me from above. I am so appreciative that you took the time to raise the red flag. .

Is your son better now? How long has he been on homeopathy?

I did understand that the supplements were not in away a cure of any sort but rather I see them as the necessary support to provide a better infrastructure. You have provided a wealth of knowledge and I'm so happy you shared your learnings.


Did you want to take a guess as to how many times I should tap the bottle? If not, I will do it 2 or 3 times...just because I think that is what I did in the past with my daughter?
 
l471530 last decade
I did send a response back but never heard back from you.

I am linking my response so maybe you can review.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/300527/1

It is always more difficult when they are not there to observe (she is in college) and I know that homeopathy is her best hope for improved health (physical and mental). I keep on asking her if she has noticed any difference and she says no. Although I know in the past she would say that but I would observe changes.
I do know that she continues to have this constant nasal stuffy (she just can't get rid of) and when she was home I can say that she still makes poor eye contact when speaking with people and she is still likes to be more alone and read book then interact too much.

If you get a moment and can look over the post and reference some earlier notes, I am still back to a thought I had in 2008, she may need either Arnica 1M or Nat-Sulp. Arnica I think of continuously because when she was 3/12 she fell and hit her forehead really bad -- large raised bruise which also covered her eye. She fell into a glass table at my mother-in-law while being watched by her (I was not there so I don't have details). Nat-S, because she continues to show evidence of a good match. Any thoughts???

Thanks for responding to this thread as I have been working with this wonderful doctor who does not have experience with wet dosing. This is of tremendous help as I try to help my son.
 
l471530 last decade
I missed that post, as I was keeping on eye on the original one. It is usually best to continue posting in the one thread, as I am already trying to follow quite a lot of conversations.

Normally I would have the patient repeat the dose before abandoning a remedy, since very often it is the second dose that has the biggest impact. There have been times if I had abandoned a remedy after one dose I would have never cured the patient.

Once the effect (or non-effect) of that is determined, I am happy to reanalyze the case. Nat-mur, admittedly, was the 'easiest' answer so I can look for a more complex one.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
I'm confused...I thought i posted where I was asked to post with links etc. Please give me link to where you need me to respond so we can continue to analyze this case. I have no doubt my daughter is not where she need to be but I think she is a lot better than she use to be.


I may have to wait until spring break to give her the next remedy. I did give her a second dose of Nat-Mur, following the same process as the first time...2 taps since after 7 days when there was no change. Again she is in college and is difficult to assess. I may have to wait for spring break to give the next indicated remedy...if you can be so kind as to suggest after analyzing the case in more detail. Thank you.
 
l471530 last decade
Ok that is different. If you have given her a second dose don't worry about giving her a third. That is unlikely to make any difference.

I will begin work on her case again. If I have some further questions is she able to answer them for me?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
I will do like I did the last time, I asked her to answer all the questions you needed to know and she did. Thank you.
 
l471530 last decade
Thank you so much for warm comments about me. My son is not bed ridden anymore, but he is not at school yet and I am trying my best to help him to recover by the beginning of the new school year. If only I knew more about homeopathy back then, it would never happen to him, since he is a victim of another (holistic) doctor's mistake. Took him a long time to be where he is right now.
Since your son's case is a chronic case, I would advise to hit the bottle 2 times as you did with your daughter, because each tap slightly incrreases the potency, and 30C is already the highest recommended for chronic cases.
 
Lylla last decade
Lyllia,
Last night I gave my son the homeopathy as we discussed. I will keep you posted.

Bisbanehomeopath,
Please let me know exactly which thread you would like me to use for my daughter. I did speak with her again and it appears maybe the Nat Mur helped a little...her nasily congestion is much better and she has been more working out at the gym on a regular basis since she has gotten back (so maybe a little more motivation than before). She also notice that she is paying attention more in class -- remember she has been on adderal which helps you to focus but she was on that the last month in school and she seems to feel like she is more focus now -- could be either the adderal becoming more effective with time or the Nat-M.

Just want to be certain you know of any changes since Nat-M.
 
l471530 last decade
My son had an increase in energy, still low, but improved. This evening he said his energy level is again back down. His congestion is a little better and his cough is a less frequent, but still the deep hacking type. He does seem to now have some loose phlegm though. Of course, if his illness is a cold virus then some of the improvement is normal as he has it over 7 days now.

I am going to give my son another dosing of 30C Med(5 taps this time)

I have been trying to figure out where I go from here if Med doesn't do too much. Do you know if Med is considered one of the more fast acting or slowing acting remedies? I know I have always read from Hann??? that some remedies are much faster than others.

If Med doesn't seem to make much impact, I am leaning towards the gentlemen's assessment who initially responded to this thread. He mention thuja and silica. I have done a lot of comparison with a number of sycosis remedies that address slow development, want of confidence, concentration difficult, asthma, allergies, frequent colds leading to brachial problems, fatigue and low stamina, etc. I am strongly leaning towards Silicea. I had been giving him BAryta-Carb and it did seem to help some but maybe he received too much...I just don't know...or maybe it wasn't the correct remedy and it is just leading us to the a clearer picture. I wish I knew the answer.

I did read an article that spoke a little about the differences between these two remedies which is pointing me towards Silicea.

“In the marasmus of children we may have to choose from among other remedies such as Silicea, Abrotanum, Natrum muriaticum, Sulphur, Calcarea and Iodine. Under all these remedies we may find emaciation of the rest of the body, while the abdomen is greatly enlarged. Again under every one of them, the child may have a voracious appetite; eat enough, but grow poor all of the time. It is defective assimilation. There are some strong points of resemblance between Baryta carb. and Silicea, namely: Offensive sweat on the feet. The head is disproportionately large for the body. Both suffer from damp changes in the weather and both are sensitive to cold about the head. But Silicea has the important diagnostic difference -profuse sweat on the head equal to that of Calcarea ost., which Baryta has not. And there is not that weakness of mind in Silicea that is found in Bryonia; on the contrary the child is self-willed and contrary.”

Please give me your thoughts.
 
l471530 last decade
I sense you being impatient; but please, take a careful look with me. You said the energy level was up, then down. It is not how it is usually goes with colds. It definitely is a Med action. 5 taps is a good choice, use 8 after that as soon as the dose wares off, than 12. And as a common sense, you want all the chronic symptoms your child had all his life be gone from just 2 or 3 applications? Give it time to work through, after all, we do not want to force it to the extreme of having aggravations. First signs of improvement come always on a higher level: like feeling generally better, having more positive dreams and so on. Your son has greater energy with Med, that means, bodily changes will follow.
 
Lylla last decade
O, and about fast acting and slow acting medicine. It all depends on the state of someones Vital Force. For example, I remember one gentleman, who came to see me about his mysterious pains in the arms, very debilitating, so he could not pick his bag. No doctors could help him and he was forced by his wife to see me since he was skeptical. He did not believe in homeopathy, but his wife talked him into it since I was an MD. I gave him dry dose, of course. Next day he called the office and asked to give him a real medicine. He said, he got a better sleep, thank you very much, but it is not waht he wanted. You can guess what I told him. He did not call again. Next time he was in the office, I asked about his mysterious pains. He said, why, they are gone. He said the medicine started working on the second day only.
I think since wet doses are more gentle, it is safe to give next dose when effect of the first one goes away, increase tapping as I described above.
 
Lylla last decade
Yes, you are right I am getting impatient and I try to keep reminder myself that it will take some time.

If in fact that increase energy level was due to the Med (again, not sure only because he has had the virus 7 days and folks say that with this virus they begin feeling better after 7 days but cough lasts up to 3 weeks) then I think staying with Med makes sense. I can only hope. I will plan to give him 5 tap dose tonight since you agree. Since I have read that if you begin to have dreams when taking a remedy that this is a sure tail sign that the remedy is working...I asked my son about his dreams and he stated that he has not been dreaming the last few nights. His body is just weak and that is frustrating him. He has gotten very moody and actually is not acting very nice at all (not his typical demeanor).

I'll keep you posted and thanks for the constant reminder not to be impatient.
 
l471530 last decade
Lylla,
Please take a look at this thread which indicates that if 30C Med has been given and has had good reaction, need to go up 200C and a repeat of 30C can actually impair progress.

http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/167359/1

My thought would be that dosing 30C is the same as taking 30C, in essence. Would a second dosing, impair progress? I'm not familiar enough with Med.
 
l471530 last decade
I gave him the 30C Med (tapped 5 times and split) last night before bed. He came home today and said that he is not feeling too good...no energy, couldn't focus in class as he typically does and he said he was hot all day.

Not sure what this indicates.
[message edited by l471530 on Mon, 20 Feb 2012 22:06:29 GMT]
 
l471530 last decade
As my gut is telling me that Med is the correct remedy at this time, I thought I might ask my son to give me a better understanding as to how his day went. When I asked him how he felt when he first arrived to school, he said he actually felt good, maybe even better than he had felt the day before. He said he began to feel low energy, hot and less focused about 3rd or 4th period.

This is when I thought that maybe Med is working for him but because we are only working with 30C it is too short acting. Infact, I have read a number of articles that state that, if possible, it is better to start with 200c when prescribing Med. It apparently isn't uncommon for multiple dosing at the wrong amount to begin to induce symptoms. Maybe this is what is happening to my son. He may need to go up to the next dosing.

I would like for us to consider 200c, with some sort of wet dosing, like we did with the 30C. Do you agree? How many times should I begin with, 2 taps, like we did before)?
 
l471530 last decade
I found this piece I copied for you from the lectures on homeopathy. It talks about both fast and slow recovery in chronic diseases. Also, it describes how to administer wet dose for slow recovering people. I think your son's case satisfies all criteria. Note, that we do not repeat the same potency, we alter it a little every time with tapping.

'Hahnemann makes it very clear that there are two basic types of remedy actions that must be treated differently. The Founder no longer treated every case the same like he did from 1810 to 1833.

A. The first condition is a visibly progressing and strikingly increasing amelioration. In this instance one is too leave the single dose act without repetition as long as this state last. This also means that any time during treatment there is a dramatically increasing amelioration on a series of doses stop the remedy. This is true for the C and LM potency.

B. The second condition is a slow continuous improvement that could take up to 100 days to show any significant improvement. This, however, is seldom the case. Most of the time a slow improvement ceases at some point and the patient relapses. In this case one should repeat the dose at suitable intervals to speed the cure. This is quite common in protracted chronic disease. One may repeat the dose to speed the cure only if they meet all five conditions noted at the end of the paragraph.

1. The remedy is perfectly homeopathic (Not a wrong remedy or a partial simillimum.)

2. The remedy is potentized and dissolved in water. (Not the dry dose.)

3. The remedy is given in a small dose (1 pill in a 7-8 tablespoon medicinal solution, given in a split-dose, olfaction, etc.)

4. The remedy is given at suitable intervals based on what experience has shown to be best. (Individualization.)

5. The degree of potency must be changed before administering each dose (The medicinal solution must be succussed prior to ingestion.)

There is a great difference between a visibly progressing and strikingly increasing amelioration and a slow continuous improvement that takes up to 100 days to show any significant results. What Hahnemann is offering is a very clear differential of two completely different types of remedy actions. This is a much more sophisticated approach then just giving everyone a single dose and then waiting and watching no matter how slowly the patient is progressing. With his new posology methods there was no need to watch for weeks and months with the patient barely improving and wait for a relapse.'

The thread you have sent talks about dry dosing and Sameer is correct not to repeat the same potency. That is how I planned it initially (dry dosing of 30C, than 200C). But now we are on wet dosing and can use the advantages of it. We do not repeat the same potency, therefore, there is no need to go higher (to 200C) yet. The changes of the mood you observed in your son are mild aggravation. It is good to stay on a 'short-acting' potency then. Being hot might mean detoxification. Please, do not push it, we are doing it gently, after all, he needs to stay at school, not in bed. I would rather suggest next time to tap the bottle only 7 times, not 8. Take longer distances between dosages, make sure the good mood returns.
 
Lylla last decade
Giving more thoughts to it, is he constipated? Because you mentioned acne earlier, it appeares he should be. Than, being hot means his body is changing intestinal flora, and he has a die-off of a previous pathological one. Than he needs activated charcoal in the morning to help with prevention of reabsorption of the die-off toxins from his intestins to the blood stream. Give him 2 capsules in the morning with food, and vitamin C after school. When the intestinal flora finishes to change, his allergies wil be gone as well. Even if he is not constipated badly, this is still a right thing to do.
 
Lylla last decade

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