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Please, repeat the dose same way as it was described on 20th.
It looks this dose does not cause aggravations and we can apply it again. Then stop and report. The goal is to determine how close we can apply 2 doses without aggravations.
It looks this dose does not cause aggravations and we can apply it again. Then stop and report. The goal is to determine how close we can apply 2 doses without aggravations.
Lylla last decade
I do need to mention something else...I am seeing it get worse everyday. My son's mood is not good. As I explained, he gets moody when sick etc. but since this medicine, it is different...he talks under is breathe all the time. And even this past weekend, he played a basketball game and when the coach subbed him before he thought he should be, I could see from the sideline that he let the coach know that he was upset by his facial expression and then he began talking under his breathe (very obvious -- it's an out load under the breathe way). I actually never saw him do this to other people just at home. And this is new since Med...I believe. I don't remember this sort of demeanor, to this extent.
Also, I have notice where he is lying, but in a 'i;m not lying, I misunderstood' way. It's hard to explain but again, has been happening the last few days a lot. I guess as it continues to escalate...I'm now noticing it as a behavior change.
My gut is saying maybe Med is not right for him...not liking the mental aspect of this remedy for him. Please tell me this is expected.
If you think I should still give to him, then please tell me the following..
I still have the bottle that I tapped which I then used to add to another cup...can I use that same bottle and do I have to tap it again?
[message edited by l471530 on Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:03:46 GMT]
Also, I have notice where he is lying, but in a 'i;m not lying, I misunderstood' way. It's hard to explain but again, has been happening the last few days a lot. I guess as it continues to escalate...I'm now noticing it as a behavior change.
My gut is saying maybe Med is not right for him...not liking the mental aspect of this remedy for him. Please tell me this is expected.
If you think I should still give to him, then please tell me the following..
I still have the bottle that I tapped which I then used to add to another cup...can I use that same bottle and do I have to tap it again?
[message edited by l471530 on Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:03:46 GMT]
l471530 last decade
This past hr. my son is not necessarily coughing like he was before but he is clearing his throat as though something is in there. He is not doing it constantly but a few times each 1/2 hr.
l471530 last decade
Yes, you can use the same bottle, and you need to tap it 8 times again as before, because we need to repeat this dose. Please, use a second dilution glass again as was described on 02.20. It looks like a safe dose and it can be repeated until we get to the state of wellness he was right before the relapse. Than we will change the potency again. Question remains whether the dose can be given safely every day or every other day. It looks every other day is better, at least for now.
Lylla last decade
The moodiness should improve next after the paleness. That's how it was last time. As soon as energy level reaches comfortable level, he will feel happy.
Lylla last decade
I did as you prescribed...8 taps...tsps into cup then 1 tsp from that.
My son immediately, so I'm sure it has nothing to do with giving him this dose but probably prior dose, starting with stomach ache -- he had just ate 1/2 hr prior. He said he was gassy today == didn't tell me even though I keep asking him how he feels and if there has been any change. In any event, he has like a cramping in his abdomen.
I'll continue to report changes.
My son immediately, so I'm sure it has nothing to do with giving him this dose but probably prior dose, starting with stomach ache -- he had just ate 1/2 hr prior. He said he was gassy today == didn't tell me even though I keep asking him how he feels and if there has been any change. In any event, he has like a cramping in his abdomen.
I'll continue to report changes.
l471530 last decade
So, it is 3 days since the first dose (on the evening of 02.20 - and today is 02.23) without aggravation. Usually 3 days is enough to tell. Clearing his throat as though something is in there is the slightest hint of relapse, so the new dose was given just in time. Please, train yourself to catch relapses IN THE VERY BEGINNING (a lot depends on you now) and give new doses at these moments. Another time the new relapse could manifest itself as a slight increase in paleness, and so on. I think you are going to be good at it, you are very attentive.
He should have gas, as his flora is changing. If it bothers him, best to have 1 capsule of charcoal again, as needed.
How is energy level?
He should have gas, as his flora is changing. If it bothers him, best to have 1 capsule of charcoal again, as needed.
How is energy level?
Lylla last decade
Well, I'd say it's improved since initially sick but not as great as the time his color was coming back. I'd say 5 out of 10.
Actually when my son got his stomach problem he laid on the couch and just woke up 2 1/2 hrs later.
So, if I understand you correctly I will be giving him the same exact dose in a few days. I will not increase or change the preparation in any way. The duration will be based on his response. The last two times, it clearly was his cough but I believe you are saying that the cough may dissipate and then it will be his paleness that may dictate the need.
I'll continue to report as I have done.
thank you.
Actually when my son got his stomach problem he laid on the couch and just woke up 2 1/2 hrs later.
So, if I understand you correctly I will be giving him the same exact dose in a few days. I will not increase or change the preparation in any way. The duration will be based on his response. The last two times, it clearly was his cough but I believe you are saying that the cough may dissipate and then it will be his paleness that may dictate the need.
I'll continue to report as I have done.
thank you.
l471530 last decade
That is correct. Any next dose is to be given ONLY when the patent slightly worsenes. Each new dose suppose to help just a little bit more, so some symptoms may improve or disappear. If there is no reaction (amelioration) on that dose any more, time to increase taps. This way Vital Force is gently tuned without aggravations.
And in defence of Med. Initially you did not provide some symptoms you son had (I do not blame you, it is almost impossible), but when you finally mentioned them, they matched Med as well. They are: paleness, low legs pain, difficult urination at times. A correctly chosed remedy would have this kind of similium.
And in defence of Med. Initially you did not provide some symptoms you son had (I do not blame you, it is almost impossible), but when you finally mentioned them, they matched Med as well. They are: paleness, low legs pain, difficult urination at times. A correctly chosed remedy would have this kind of similium.
Lylla last decade
I guess I would like to make a correction: next dose should be 2 taps more, total 10 taps, since we already repeated 8 taps twice.
Lylla last decade
Thank you.
I must tell you that I am once again questioning whether or not my son needs another remedy prior to this Med. I know that not only Herscu but Kent state that you must first address the more serious problem first...and even when all matches it may need a 'push' from another remedy first. Apparently this is not unusual at all.
My son is just not interacting and I must say that I don't see any improvement at all prior to him passing out and getting sick. In fact I would say he has definitely gone backwards. He doesn't look well, he is lethargic, not wanting to do anything other than watch TV and Xbox. He was at his best after taking Baryta Carb the first time and that change was within a day. Typically I find that a good match with a remedy produces at least some positives, especially the mood. This has not at all.
This time when I gave him the Med, he continued to clear his throat for over 24hrs...which was much longer than before and I have not seen any other improvements...not in the least. The only difference I have seen, which is probably an improvement, is that he is sleeping more lately. But I would suggest that sometimes when we are stuck it may be time to reevaluate.
I found this quite interesting...Nat Sul actually includes Med as one of three of its roots....Paul Herscu, 1992 IFH Case Conference, pp. 69-70
Many cases will look a great deal like one of the remedies, lets say Sulphur, and yet when you give the remedy it does not act. Thats because the patient needed Natrium sulph, but has 90 percent of the symptoms in the Sulphur pole and only 10 percent in the Natrium pole. Even with most of the symptoms pointing to Sulphur, Natrium sulph is the needed remedy
[Homeopaths] often tell me that they missed the remedy because they expected to find a 50/50 split of both remedies in order to consider a combination remedy. It never occurred to them to look for a 90 percent majority of one root remedy and a 10 percent portion of the other.
And, just to make things a bit more complicated, Natrium sulph is a combination of three root remedies: Natrium muriaticum, Sulphur, and Medorrhinum.
If you are so set on Med, then I know I have also repeatedly read that homeopaths have found nothing less than 200C should be used. Maybe we switch to a low wet dose of Med 200C???
I'm just struggling because my gut is telling me that we should be further along based on my experience using remedies over the last ten years. Sometimes, its important to pay attention to your gut and I just feel like I need to let you know my concerns.
I'll let you know how today is.
I must tell you that I am once again questioning whether or not my son needs another remedy prior to this Med. I know that not only Herscu but Kent state that you must first address the more serious problem first...and even when all matches it may need a 'push' from another remedy first. Apparently this is not unusual at all.
My son is just not interacting and I must say that I don't see any improvement at all prior to him passing out and getting sick. In fact I would say he has definitely gone backwards. He doesn't look well, he is lethargic, not wanting to do anything other than watch TV and Xbox. He was at his best after taking Baryta Carb the first time and that change was within a day. Typically I find that a good match with a remedy produces at least some positives, especially the mood. This has not at all.
This time when I gave him the Med, he continued to clear his throat for over 24hrs...which was much longer than before and I have not seen any other improvements...not in the least. The only difference I have seen, which is probably an improvement, is that he is sleeping more lately. But I would suggest that sometimes when we are stuck it may be time to reevaluate.
I found this quite interesting...Nat Sul actually includes Med as one of three of its roots....Paul Herscu, 1992 IFH Case Conference, pp. 69-70
Many cases will look a great deal like one of the remedies, lets say Sulphur, and yet when you give the remedy it does not act. Thats because the patient needed Natrium sulph, but has 90 percent of the symptoms in the Sulphur pole and only 10 percent in the Natrium pole. Even with most of the symptoms pointing to Sulphur, Natrium sulph is the needed remedy
[Homeopaths] often tell me that they missed the remedy because they expected to find a 50/50 split of both remedies in order to consider a combination remedy. It never occurred to them to look for a 90 percent majority of one root remedy and a 10 percent portion of the other.
And, just to make things a bit more complicated, Natrium sulph is a combination of three root remedies: Natrium muriaticum, Sulphur, and Medorrhinum.
If you are so set on Med, then I know I have also repeatedly read that homeopaths have found nothing less than 200C should be used. Maybe we switch to a low wet dose of Med 200C???
I'm just struggling because my gut is telling me that we should be further along based on my experience using remedies over the last ten years. Sometimes, its important to pay attention to your gut and I just feel like I need to let you know my concerns.
I'll let you know how today is.
l471530 last decade
My son still has the clearing of the throat and he actually is doing it more today than yesterday. He also said he has a headache and he thinks its because his blood pressure is low because when he gets up from sitting he is lighted headed. His paleness is a tad (just a tad) better today than the last two days. He has not had a stool the last two days.
Energy level not changed.
Energy level not changed.
l471530 last decade
I decided to give him another dose but his time go up to your suggested 10 taps instead of 8. Maybe there was no response because there was no change in the potency. I still did the 2 tsp into a cup of water and then only gave 1 tsp. This was also a change that maybe interfered in the potency and therefore did not work accordingly.
I'll keep you posted.
I'll keep you posted.
l471530 last decade
Do you give him activated charcoal? It is important, because headache might be due to the changes in intestines. For missing stool please try Magnesium Citrate. Start with one caplule with meal per day and see how it goes. It is imporant he goes every day. Also, does he have a probiotic? It is healthy bacteria he needs to introduce instead of bad guys we are trying to get rid of. Buy the brand with the most strains in it, but without yeast in it, and give at least one capsule every other day.
Wait until headache goes away before next dose. I support your decision to increase taps with every dose.
Wait until headache goes away before next dose. I support your decision to increase taps with every dose.
Lylla last decade
What is localization of headache: front, side(s), back or center?
Does he have buffered vitamin C? Evening primerose oil helps to eliminate headaches, I use Superprimerose from NowFoods myself when it happens, in capsules. They are big though, may be difficult to swallow. Ask them for something more appropriate for a child.
We will go to 200C eventually, but we can not jump to 200C now, because his body simply does not know what it is to be healthy. He was born sick, and this is another indication for Med. The plan is to make him stronger before we use a deeper acting medicine. His body should become less sensitive to Med before that. It is like a rusty mechanism, we are just oiling it now.
Does he have buffered vitamin C? Evening primerose oil helps to eliminate headaches, I use Superprimerose from NowFoods myself when it happens, in capsules. They are big though, may be difficult to swallow. Ask them for something more appropriate for a child.
We will go to 200C eventually, but we can not jump to 200C now, because his body simply does not know what it is to be healthy. He was born sick, and this is another indication for Med. The plan is to make him stronger before we use a deeper acting medicine. His body should become less sensitive to Med before that. It is like a rusty mechanism, we are just oiling it now.
Lylla last decade
He is taking the buffered vitamin C that you earlier recommended...he takes that daily and he is taking the Charcoal as well...just started back up a few days ago. He is also still taking the Quercertin and of course his daily. I just can't even think of adding anything more to what he is taking.
He says he doesn't not currently have a headache but he thinks its all over. I have asked him to let me know next time so we can better communicate how it feels.
So are you implying that we are peeling the layers and since he was born colicky and couldn't tell us how he felt that he is feeling like he may have felt back then. Because my son never got headaches before that I know of. The only time I ever remember him getting any headaches is when he would take supplements that didn't agree with him. Also, why is his cough/clearing of his throat still lingering?
From everything I have read the wet dosing is suppose to make the cure faster and with less symptoms than the non wet dosing. How come he continues to have such terrible symptoms four weeks later? Just want to be certain that you are not missing anything. Is it possible that he needs another remedy prior to the Med...again I am not saying that Med is not what he needs but maybe he needs a more milder transition to ease his body back to health???
He says he doesn't not currently have a headache but he thinks its all over. I have asked him to let me know next time so we can better communicate how it feels.
So are you implying that we are peeling the layers and since he was born colicky and couldn't tell us how he felt that he is feeling like he may have felt back then. Because my son never got headaches before that I know of. The only time I ever remember him getting any headaches is when he would take supplements that didn't agree with him. Also, why is his cough/clearing of his throat still lingering?
From everything I have read the wet dosing is suppose to make the cure faster and with less symptoms than the non wet dosing. How come he continues to have such terrible symptoms four weeks later? Just want to be certain that you are not missing anything. Is it possible that he needs another remedy prior to the Med...again I am not saying that Med is not what he needs but maybe he needs a more milder transition to ease his body back to health???
l471530 last decade
Wet dose should be well adjusted in order to bring faster results. There should be healthy experimentation involved. First time the dose was too big and it slowed us down. This time it looks I was too cautious and it is slow for that reason. I think he can take an increase in taps with every new dose, and may be, we can give 2 teaspoons from the second dilution cup. Tuning Vital Force includes changing dose and potency with it.
Lylla last decade
A very bad day for my son. He looked and acted so tired when he came home from school. He said that he has a headache that is really bothering him -- he said it is above the eyes (both -- the whole front and up to the top of his head). He not only continues to have his fingers in his mouth...when he doesn't he's picking at his pimples on his face now which is making them more red and inflamed. He has no desire to learn at school and just wants to lay down.
l471530 last decade
My son still has the same old clearing/cough of his throat. This has not changed one bit the last two times given Med.
Paul Herscu makes a specific mention of this and how there may need to be a supplement too Med...please read.
http://books.google.com/books?id=uLoNHLf_NfIC&pg=PA118&a...
Either Med is not the correct remedy or maybe we are missing the need to alternate or supplement because of the severity of his reactions --
Thank you.
Paul Herscu makes a specific mention of this and how there may need to be a supplement too Med...please read.
http://books.google.com/books?id=uLoNHLf_NfIC&pg=PA118&a...
Either Med is not the correct remedy or maybe we are missing the need to alternate or supplement because of the severity of his reactions --
Thank you.
l471530 last decade
Last night before bed, my son said that he has been having parts of his body feel numb, almost like they have fallen asleep. He gave examples like his hands.
Wanted to make sure you were aware of this.
Wanted to make sure you were aware of this.
l471530 last decade
Please, stop Med for now, I am out of the state studying now and do not have internet connection or time to think much, but I will be back in the end of the week. Please, continue to describe symptoms while they are fresh, it will help to sort things out.
Lylla last decade
I will do so.
Today, his energy still low, his acne getting worse again, he throat clearing not as much today, his color is still on the pale side. He stool is constipated. His mood is okay -- not good and not really bad.
I have been reading a lot regarding Med and I have read so many practioners who advocate not using a low potency for Med...only 200C and up.
Here's one of the many references...
http://chillipages.org/homoeoera/images/archive/pdf/Vol1_Iss....
I know that my daughter and I both took this in bigh dose 1M and we did not have all these side affects. I don't think it is just because my son is different...I do wonder if its because this is a nosode that is better when given at a higher dose and the impact is done in a more smoother manner...I do think we may need to consider wet dosing either 200C or 1M.
For us to have no improvement in energy, acne, asthma after one month but yet have so many issues doesn't make any sense. Some of these practioners have many many years of experience and we may need to reevaluate based on their experience.
I am not saying I know the answer, I just feel uncomfortable with the road we have chosen to travel -- lots of dirt, rocks and not even -- while there may be another road close by that is much more even and smooth -- both leading to the same place.
Thank you.
Today, his energy still low, his acne getting worse again, he throat clearing not as much today, his color is still on the pale side. He stool is constipated. His mood is okay -- not good and not really bad.
I have been reading a lot regarding Med and I have read so many practioners who advocate not using a low potency for Med...only 200C and up.
Here's one of the many references...
http://chillipages.org/homoeoera/images/archive/pdf/Vol1_Iss....
I know that my daughter and I both took this in bigh dose 1M and we did not have all these side affects. I don't think it is just because my son is different...I do wonder if its because this is a nosode that is better when given at a higher dose and the impact is done in a more smoother manner...I do think we may need to consider wet dosing either 200C or 1M.
For us to have no improvement in energy, acne, asthma after one month but yet have so many issues doesn't make any sense. Some of these practioners have many many years of experience and we may need to reevaluate based on their experience.
I am not saying I know the answer, I just feel uncomfortable with the road we have chosen to travel -- lots of dirt, rocks and not even -- while there may be another road close by that is much more even and smooth -- both leading to the same place.
Thank you.
l471530 last decade
Today his energy level went up from a 4/10 to a 6/10...so some positive.
He had no throat clearing today at all.
His acne hasn't gotten worse but hasn't gotten better either.
His color is still a little on the pale side but not ghostly...under his eyes not as dark as they have been.
When I asked him today if he has notice any improvement in anything at all since he's been taking his medicine he did mention that he thinks there's been one improvement -- you know I was anxious at this point to hear what he had to say -- his attention in class is better. I asked him to explain and he said that he can't really explain it but he seems to be able to just attend to the teacher and the information more than he use to.
Hurray!!! Its funny, he's never said before that he wasn't able to attend in class but either he didn't understand what he's never been able to do since he's been able to maintain fairly good grades. I know he use to get 90+ and last year and this year his grades have gone down but he avgs between 87 and 91....but I think it takes a lot of hard work to just maintain this level even though he was expecting to be around a 93 -95 from prior years. I have a feeling that as the years progressed it would only get harder and harder and his grades would eventually slip.
So we do have some positive...it will be interesting when he gets his next set of grades if we notice any improvement...may take some time for it to be reflected.
He had no throat clearing today at all.
His acne hasn't gotten worse but hasn't gotten better either.
His color is still a little on the pale side but not ghostly...under his eyes not as dark as they have been.
When I asked him today if he has notice any improvement in anything at all since he's been taking his medicine he did mention that he thinks there's been one improvement -- you know I was anxious at this point to hear what he had to say -- his attention in class is better. I asked him to explain and he said that he can't really explain it but he seems to be able to just attend to the teacher and the information more than he use to.
Hurray!!! Its funny, he's never said before that he wasn't able to attend in class but either he didn't understand what he's never been able to do since he's been able to maintain fairly good grades. I know he use to get 90+ and last year and this year his grades have gone down but he avgs between 87 and 91....but I think it takes a lot of hard work to just maintain this level even though he was expecting to be around a 93 -95 from prior years. I have a feeling that as the years progressed it would only get harder and harder and his grades would eventually slip.
So we do have some positive...it will be interesting when he gets his next set of grades if we notice any improvement...may take some time for it to be reflected.
l471530 last decade
High potencies are for mind problems, low - for body. His problem is body. At this point, we need to make a choice: another medicine or higher potency, which requires re-evaluation of the case. Give it another couple of weeks for the medicine to finish working, and list all symptoms again. One thing is for sure - this potency has done its job.
Lylla last decade
Please, continue report day to day, so we are on the same page. Do not give Med anymore. I think the road was bumpy just because a lot of symptoms re-appeared being supressed by Calcare Carbonica and other medicine in the past. You see, if we ask Med to fix all problems, and some were already fixed, then it produces damage in these places. I told you, homeopathy is not forgivable, the message that was already sent to the body stays.
Lylla last decade
Thank you and I will denote everyday any and all changes.
I did want to make sure you know that he never took Calc Carb....he took Baryta Carb. I believe your message is still the same...that there was suppression taking place with a remedy which you believe made it his body more difficult to treat...correct? Does this mean that Baryta Carb was an incorrect remedy to give him? I would think this happens often in homeopathy.
What do you believe we have cured in giving my son Med...asthma, allergies, mild aspergers...any of these? Or is it just that Med has now cleared things in his body which will now let us begin to help him with these issues? I'm just trying to learn as we go.
Thank you for all your patience as I know I have lots of questions etc.
I did want to make sure you know that he never took Calc Carb....he took Baryta Carb. I believe your message is still the same...that there was suppression taking place with a remedy which you believe made it his body more difficult to treat...correct? Does this mean that Baryta Carb was an incorrect remedy to give him? I would think this happens often in homeopathy.
What do you believe we have cured in giving my son Med...asthma, allergies, mild aspergers...any of these? Or is it just that Med has now cleared things in his body which will now let us begin to help him with these issues? I'm just trying to learn as we go.
Thank you for all your patience as I know I have lots of questions etc.
l471530 last decade
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