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question for joe re: gerd remedy

Hi Joe,
You recommended that I take Nat Phos 6x for my acid reflux. Is there anything else I should be doing while taking this remedy? should I cut out any foods or drinks? should I expect immediate results? Or does it take time? I have the type of reflux that is in my throat. I have had it for about 3 months. Please advice.

thank you
  bellz on 2006-06-06
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You should observe relief within 15 minutes of taking Nat Phos 6x. I would suggest that you use 3 tablets at the beginning of your treatment and later when you feel it stabilizing you then reduce the dose to 2 after meals.

Do not eat large meals and of course no excess fat in them.

Take Arnica 6c in the wet dose 1 teaspoonful twice daily. This will help to rebuild the damaged lining of your esophagus which in many cases has been eroded over many years of treatment of GERD with drugs like Nexium, Prevacid all based on Omeprazole which unfortunately is habit forming and expensive.

The great advantage in using the Nat Phos / Arnica therapy is that the patient will be CURED of his ailment in a few weeks which can never happen by using the drugs used in modern medicine.
Joe De Livera last decade
thanks Joe I will try it and keep you posted.
bellz last decade

I was in United States for 5 months. I had taken with me some homeopathic and Biochemic medicines including Nat Phos 6x.

Thanks Joe, your line of treatment with Nat Phos 6x for GERD and Hyperacidity did cure 11 people there. By the way I don't treat for money. I love to see people being cured.

The results were so quick and convincing that these guys begged for more stocks which of course I will send them (free) shortly.

Mohan last decade
hi mohan,
you said it cured 11 people. that is wonderful. I am hopeful it will help me. did you give it to many more people and it didn't help? How long did it take to cure?

thanks for your imput
bellz last decade
Joe can more than 9 tablets be used of the Nat phos 6x a day?
parisNSA last decade
To Mohan

I am glad to note that you have also had considerable success in treating 11 patients suffering from GERD. In the majority of these cases I am confident that they were CURED and that their condition was not controlled as it usually is when using the drugs like Nexium which are unable to stablilze the stomach as Nat Phos 6x does.

You will notice that I have used NP to stabilize the stomach and Arnica 30c to help with the cure of the Esophagus
with the Sphincter muscle which are usually damaged by the gastric juices. It is the combination of both remedies that completes the cure which usually takes about 6 weeks.
Joe De Livera last decade
To Paris

It is not advisable to overdose with NP as many have complained of a bitter taste in their mouths.

No other damage seems to be done and as long as the patient sees some benefit from its use, it is perfectly safe to do so.
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe,

I have followed the complete instructions including the use of Arnica 30c in wet doses.

I made sure that no allopathic medicine is taken concomitantly.

The blessing actually goes to you.
Mohan last decade

I have two questions :

(1)I have noticed you also recommend use of Arnica 6c in the wet dose to help the process of tissue repair especially in the throat. The dose is 1 teaspoonful of the remedy sipped twice daily.

Are there any particular situations to select between Arnica 6c and Arninca 30c.

(2) I notice you now only suggest using pallets for wet dose preparation.

The original pack from the manufactures such as Schawbe or SBL are in liquid form.
Why you no more like to use 1 drop of the liquid.

Mohan last decade
For chronic ailments I use Arnica 6c and if it does not help I use the higher 30c potency.

I use the wet dose exclusively for treatment of any ailment as I am convinced after using it for over a year that this is the way to go.

It is unfortunate that most homeopaths use the dry pellets exclusively as they have not discovered that the wet dose after succussion each time is far more effective than the dry. They have also not being instructed to use the wet dose and till this is promoted by the universities, I believe that the dry dose will hold sway.

A point of interest in using the wet dose is that it is very cost effective as only 3 pellets are used in a 500ml bottle of spring water which usually lasts about 3 months while the dry dose will use up the 100 pellets in a vial in a few days.

The liquid form where the remedy is suspended in Ethanol can also be used as I do here in Sri Lanka where I use 2 drops of the Ethanol remedy in a 500ml bottle. I have not observed any difference between the 3 pellets and 2 drops in the bottle.
Joe De Livera last decade
For Bellz,

I was in US only for 5 months. So I did not have the opportunity to provide this excellent treatment to others who tried to contact me. My aim of visit was not to treat but during my previous visit to US I had really felt sorry that I did not carry any Homeopathic or Biochemic remedies. I was particularly perturbed that the so called classical homeopaths in US fleece the poor patients. Which keeps many patients away from this wonderful line of treatment.

In all 11 cases the relief was quick and permanent.

In fact, I may tell you that I met someone from Bombay India where he had whole lot of tests and investigations done at one of the most prominent hospitals. Even CT scan was done. The allopathic treatment rendered him no benefit. When I met him he was stiff scared to even eat rice and yoghurt as any food would make very uncomfortable.

After two doses on the first day this guy felt relief and by third day he could consume his regular full meal.

As for your problem is concerned, please strictly follow the instructions given to you by JOE and I am sure you will be cured for good.

Pls take good post-treatment care to allow enough time for your body to re-inforce the system.
Mohan last decade
Hi, I'm new to this forum, actually, I have never been part of any forum but I have been reading the posts on ABC Homeopathy with interest regarding Acid Reflux. (I am 55 and post menopause, 5'5' and weigh 133 lbs).

I have reflux (heartburn since childhood),and barrett's esophagus. Also hiatal hernia. I have been on the purple pill and others like it for approx 5 yrs now. The meds work well, however, I have been trying natural remedies for the last two wks. and have stopped taking the prescription. I am being careful since I can't allow heartburn at all. Have been using organic apple cider vinegar and honey. Sure seem to be drinking alot of honey to put out the fire.

Based on what I read here I have ordered Nat Phox 6X and expect to receive it by next week.

In addition to my digestive mess I also have a prolapsed bladder. I have been researching the use of Sepia as a possibility for help in that area. Is that a wise choice? Can I take it while I am taking Nat Phos 6X for the acid? Is combination safe or should I just work on the acid first and then try to work on the prolapse later.

Any suggestions would be great. Thanks. Forgot to mention I do go to Chiropractor and he is trying to put my hiatel hernia back down to assist w/my acid reflux. He told me to pursue homeopathic remedies.
goingdownhill last decade
To Goingdownhill,

I am not surprised any more that medicine does not have any cure for your gastric problems which you state you have suffered from childhood. All they will give you are the Aluminium Hydroxide tablets at the beginning of your gastric adventure and then the more sophisticated drugs like Nexium and other drugs based on Omeprazole and reduce the secretion of acid which unfortunately are habit forming as you would have noticed and which you have to take throughout your life. It occurs to me that your other ailments like your prolapsed bladder may owe their origin to the many drugs that you would have taken throughout your life up to the time you stopped them a few weeks ago. You may like to know that I have used Nat Phos 6x to help many like you who were suffering from gastric problems s but I must admit that I am fearful for you as you seem to be an extreme case of gastric distress.

I do not know if at the present stage of your GERD problems, Nat Phos 6x can help you but it may be worth using it to see if it can.
The dosage is 3 tablets Nat Phos 6x (biochemic cell salt) taken 3 times daily after meals. You will also take Arnica 30c in the wet dose 3 times daily. This is made by inserting 3 pellets of Arnica 30c into a 500ml bottle of spring water and this should be shaken hard to ensure bubbling of the water before each dose. A teaspoonful is a dose and this is sipped thrice daily 1 hour before meals with the last dose taken after dinner just before sleep.

The Nat Phos will hopefully help to ease the acidity in your stomach which I believe is in a mess digestive wise, and the esophagael sphincter valve is obviously leaking and permitting the gastric juices to work their way upwards to your throat which results in your diagnosis with Barrett's Esophagus which basically defines the mess that the delicate lining of your Esopagus is now in.

The Arnica 30c should hopefully restore the inner lining of your Esophagus as it is know to help in the rejuvenation of damaged tissue in the body.

I shall copy a description of this disease below:

http://www.askasge.org/pages/brochures/barretts_patient.cfm ...

What is Barrett's Esophagus?
BarrettÕs esophagus is a condition in which the esophageal lining changes, becoming similar to the tissue that lines the intestine. A complication of GERD, BarrettÕs it is more likely to occur in patients who either experienced GERD first at a young age or have had a longer duration of symptoms. The frequency and or severity of GERD does not affect the likelihood that BarrettÕs may have formed. Dysplasia, a precancerous change in the tissue, can develop in any BarrettÕs tissue. BarrettÕs tissue is visible during endoscopy, although a diagnosis by endoscopic appearance alone is not sufficient. The definitive diagnosis of BarrettÕs esophagus requires biopsy confirmation.

We can only hope and pray that your condition can be helped by Nat Phos and you are advised to use this therapy and to report your response weekly.

Eat small meals to ensure that there is no overload to your digestive system and stop all other drugs and the honey and cider vinegar which can even make a bad situation worse. Drink plenty of water (not canned drinks or beverages) but not after meals.

I would also like you to do some gentle exercise like a brisk walk to ensure sweating it out as this too will help in your recovery.
Joe De Livera last decade
Thank you Joe for your quick response. I do not have nor have I ordered any Arnica. I will do that today. Can I order it through ABC homeopathy or do I need to find it elsewhere? The Nat Phos 6X I ordered was Hylands and from another website.

My other question was whether or not Sepia might be a help to my prolapsed bladder and if so can I take it while I am taking the Nat Phos and Arnica?

I know my digestive system is a mess. My father's was the same and I am sad to say he passed away due to esophagal cancer 7 yrs ago. We used to chew on antacids together in the night when I was growing up. He also had the hiatal hernia.

Until I receive my Nat Phos what can I use to keep the heartburn at bay since you say no raw honey?

I do brisk walks and work in my garden and sweat it out a lot. I try to maintain an optimistic outlook dealing w/all of this since I know that has an affect as well. Thanks again.
goingdownhill last decade
I would not like you to stop the raw honey if it is doing you some good instead of the drugs that you were taking till you get the Nat Phos 6x.

If you have ordered the NP from Hylands why don't you order the Arnica too from them ?

I am so glad to learn that you have an optimistic attitude to your ailment which is half the battle. Keep up the exercise which is shall we say 25% of the way and the remedies will I hope fill the balance and hopefully help you over your problem.

If you are taking Sepia for your prolapsed bladder you may continue to use it till you start on the Nat Phos / Arnica therapy which I would prefer that you use alone till you see some respite from your ailment which can occur in a week after you start on it

Please note that I live in Sri Lanka which is roughly right opposite the US on the globe. I will only be able to see your posts in the morning and the evening.
Joe De Livera last decade
Joe, Thank you I will follow your advice and let you know how I make out. I haven't started the Sepia so I will hold off and do the Nat Phos/Arnica first.

Praying for healing, wish I had known about the downside of the antacids, and purple pill sooner.

I will post again when I have been on your recommendations in a couple of weeks.
last decade
hi Joe,
I purchased the Arnica for the repair of my esophagus but could only find the Arnica 12c. how should I use this as a wet dose.
thank you
bellz last decade
Arnica 12c can also substitute but have you got the Nat Phos 6x ?

Where do you live as these remedies are freely available in the US.

I have already given you instructions on making the wet dose in my post above but I shall repeat it again.

The wet dose is made by inserting 3 pellets of the remedy into a 500ml bottle of spring water and you shake it hard to ensure bubbling before each dose of a teaspoonful which you can take thrice daily.

It is important that you also use the Nat Phos 6x dose 3 tablets taken 3 times daily after meals.
Joe De Livera last decade
I am taking the Nat Phos 6x. I have been taking 2 pellets after lunch and dinner. I will up it to 3 pellets 3 times a day. I will begin the Arnica 12c following the same instructions as the 6c.
thank you for your help.
bellz last decade
Hello, I'm back. Received my Nat Phos 6X and have been taking it as you instructed for 2 days. Haven't received my Arnica 30c yet but expect it this week and will include that per your instructions on wet dose as soon as it arrives.

Results on the Nat Phos so far are good, inspite of the mess my digestion is in. Small occasional bouts of heartburn a couple of times a day but not serious. When it happens I chew a couple of papaya enzymes or drink water and it will go away. I also have another appt with chiropractor this week to reposition the Hiatel Hernia which will help as well. I am taking no acid reducing meds right now only Nat Phos 6X. Thank you for your advice.

I do have a question regarding my vitamins and a couple of herbs that I was taking before I started Nat Phos and wondering if I can take them while taking the Nat Phos/Anica remedy. I have not taken them since I started Nat Phos. I don't want to upset any balance. I realize that the Nat Phos causes the food I eat to push through the system quicker and am wondering if I should be taking my vitamins/herbs. Normally my supplements are as follows:
1X a day Multivitamin
2X a day Calcium/Magnessium/Zinc Combo
1X a day Flax seed oil capsule
1X a day potassium
20 drops per day Rhodiola tincture
20 drops per day Macca Root tincture
Please advise should I be taking my add'l supplements at this time along with the Nat Phos 6X/Arnica 30c.

I appreciate your assistance.
goingdownhill last decade
I presume that you are taking 3 tablets NP 6x 3 times daily after meals. You have already experienced that it has helped you and this will continue in the future. The Arnica is also an important part of your cure and you already know how to use it.

Answering your question about the many vitamins you have been using perhaps for some years, I would like to reassure you that the normal food you eat has more than enough of the vitamins, minerals and food supplements that your body can possible need. A good example is myself and you may like to know at age 76 I do not use any vitamin or other tablet except for a Fish oil capsule which I have taken since I was a boy.

I would recommend that you follow my example and do not take any of the pills and drops that you have used in the past as one or more of these items may perhaps be the cause of your gastric distress.

Take my advice and STOP all these extras which I feel are completely unnecessary.

I note that you are having your Hiatus Hernia 'repositioned' by your Chiropractor. Would it be asking you too much to not go ahead with this treatment which can do more harm than good.

Hiatus Hernia is cause by the regurgitation of the gastric juice after a meal and the Nat Phos will help to send it down as you have already experienced. Your chiropractor can only massage the Pyloric valve located at the base of the stomach which opens up to the Duodenum and you can save some money by doing the same massage yourself by pressing down on the spot that he usually massages. This spot is located just under the ribs on your left side and if you have any discomfort after a meal after the NP has been taken, you can help to release the food through the Pyloric valve by gently massaging this spot.

You will soon find that the Nat Phos will promote the output of food from the stomach through the Pyloric valve without any assistance and thereby help to overcome the discomfort that you have experienced throughout the past years with your GERD.
Joe De Livera last decade
Sorry I missed to insert the title in my last post.
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Joe,
How interesting that you say cause of hiatel hernia being regurgitation of gastric juice. I thought it was a physical abnormality.

One other interesting note here, when the chiropractor repositions my hernia he is more in the area on my right side. He did show me how to massage that site as well in between adjustments. Is it possible I am backwards? How odd.

Will it be okay for him to adjust the area on my back which is associated with digestion, he has found that to be out of place and has been lining that back up along my spine to assist in proper functioning. He is a believer in homeopathy and uses it for himself and family and is in full support of my heading in same direction.

I'm sure he will agree with whatever you suggest at this time.

I will not take any of my usual supplements per your request as I trust your insight. Thanks so much for your time. I see that you changed my title on the last post to goinguphill and I like the encouragement. I think I will change my profile name as I believe goinguphill is more accurate at this time. :)
goingdownhill last decade
To Going Uphill

Glad you agree with the new title !

There is no doubt in my mind that you will be cured of your GERD symptoms. It will obviously take some time for you to come back to normal but you will get there soon.

I would suggest that you give your chiropractor a miss for a few weeks to see how you respond to my therapy. I am confident that you will be cured and you have already experienced that it has helped you without all the drugs that you have used which only served to hook you on them for ever and could also have lead to other more incurable diseases of the Esophagus.

It is important that anyone who reads this post remembers that at the first signs of any gastric discomfort which can occur after a heavy meal or due to some other reason like eating some fatty food or even some food that was contaminated which sometimes occurs as it did here in Colombo after a wedding banquet held at a 5 star hotel last December when over 85% of the guests were in severe distress after the meal and some had to be hospitalized. The hors d'oeuvre which was a shrimp cocktail was contaminated and I too had eaten it. I always take 2 tablets of Nat Phos 6x if I have a meal at any restaurant and I was one of the few who survived without any problem. My wife was amoung those who were affected.

I believe that the Nat Phos helps with the acceleration of the food down the gut thereby preventing the elements that cause the body to react with food poisoning from causing any distress.

My advice to all who read this post is to keep a few tablets of Nat Phos 6x at home to be used in the event of any gastric discomfort.
Joe De Livera last decade
Thank you Joe for your time and advice, also, for telling your experiences using the remedies you recommend. Always encouraging.

Nat Phos 6X still working. Arnica should arrive today. Can't wait to start adding that in. So thrilled with the results thus far.

I am guessing that because of the severity of my acid reflux with the barretts complication that it will take some time to effect the 'cure'.

How many weeks do you think I should be on both remedies before I start to cut back and test whether or not cure has ocurred.

I see you mention in other posts that you regularily take Arnica each night, will, I be doing the same and only using Nat Phos if I have a recurrence of symptom of heartburn?
Thanks again. Trying to change my profile name but having some computer issues of late so I may still appear as goingdownhill until I can work through the techie stuff.
goingdownhill last decade

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