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Thank you Loree-I fully agree with you: making patient feel bad will not speed healing (on the contrary).
Murthy-this is not fair! This is a forum discussion in which we say what we think (e.g. how to take the remedies) NOT how we instruct patients!!! You are twisting my words, besides.
Murthy-this is not fair! This is a forum discussion in which we say what we think (e.g. how to take the remedies) NOT how we instruct patients!!! You are twisting my words, besides.
Astra2012 last decade
Astra
But patients are also seeing these posts,and they may think they can be reckless while taking the medicines.
They have to follow minimum precautions.
Murthy
But patients are also seeing these posts,and they may think they can be reckless while taking the medicines.
They have to follow minimum precautions.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
right. So I better make some corrections.
1. I never said that patients can be reckless while taking remedies
2.
"never mind if they are dirty,or in water,or lick them."
???? I never said it!
"carry your pills in your hand,while going to bed,and take them just at the moment of falling asleep,not before."
I also never said this.
1. I never said that patients can be reckless while taking remedies
2.
"never mind if they are dirty,or in water,or lick them."
???? I never said it!
"carry your pills in your hand,while going to bed,and take them just at the moment of falling asleep,not before."
I also never said this.
Astra2012 last decade
John, I agree, but a couple of points...practical versus ideal homeopathy: Yes, people may express symptomology with addictions that can cloud the picture, but it is part of their totality of symptoms at that exact moment and one cannot remove the internal structure that is holding them up (together), just to get a clearer picture. It may take some time...
loree last decade
loree -as i said --then the prescriber must know fully what symptoms that particular substance expresses.....this is all explained in organon..
here is an example--patient comes due to headaches---all characteristics are taken--and comes to find out that headaches started when started using 'gemfibrozil' (an anticholestral medicine)--a side effect with this drug in susuceptable people is headaches--now tell me if giving a remedy without removal of this substance and without addressing original complaint before "gemfibrozil"} will help the headache? NO! because there is a maintaining factor---perhaps removal of medicine is not possible due to the developed over-dependence----now we must go back and addresss underlying issue--as we wean patient from medicine---withdrawl syndrome will occur--and this we can treat as we move along (treating each as an acute flare-up) until get to stable symptomology...
you mention that i propose an ideal...i say no it is you whom propose the ideal--that just by taking totality--without reguard for medicines-envirement--dietary susceptabilities --then we are not being practical-----
here is an example--patient comes due to headaches---all characteristics are taken--and comes to find out that headaches started when started using 'gemfibrozil' (an anticholestral medicine)--a side effect with this drug in susuceptable people is headaches--now tell me if giving a remedy without removal of this substance and without addressing original complaint before "gemfibrozil"} will help the headache? NO! because there is a maintaining factor---perhaps removal of medicine is not possible due to the developed over-dependence----now we must go back and addresss underlying issue--as we wean patient from medicine---withdrawl syndrome will occur--and this we can treat as we move along (treating each as an acute flare-up) until get to stable symptomology...
you mention that i propose an ideal...i say no it is you whom propose the ideal--that just by taking totality--without reguard for medicines-envirement--dietary susceptabilities --then we are not being practical-----
♡ John Stanton last decade
John
I am glad you are opening up.One should understand our methodology,and the reasons behind it.
A little explanation will definitely help,and will give the patient more confidence,that he/she is in right hands.
Murthy
I am glad you are opening up.One should understand our methodology,and the reasons behind it.
A little explanation will definitely help,and will give the patient more confidence,that he/she is in right hands.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Astra
you pl.try to understand my point.
1)It is advised not to take the medicine into the palm,before taking it.The reasons may not be,as explained.But,it being an energy medicine,least handling is always the best.
2)The half an our before sleeping,is the most practical suggestion.Why argue on that also.Yes.The medicine works best,when you take it,under full consiousness.It will work,even on people,who fainted etc,also,but in normal situations,it is the best to do.
Murthy
you pl.try to understand my point.
1)It is advised not to take the medicine into the palm,before taking it.The reasons may not be,as explained.But,it being an energy medicine,least handling is always the best.
2)The half an our before sleeping,is the most practical suggestion.Why argue on that also.Yes.The medicine works best,when you take it,under full consiousness.It will work,even on people,who fainted etc,also,but in normal situations,it is the best to do.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy-it's still a discussion-patient please listen to your homeopath!
now, let's discuss:
1. if patient is the only one who uses that vial then yes, the best way is to get medicine in the cap and then to the mouth.
If however you dispense the medicine from the same vial to different people then the most hygienic way is: to cap and on the patient's (never the other person!)palm (which is CLEAN, washed with water only -and can be moist or even licked (!) esp with kids-so the pellets stay there-
see-it is very individualized.
I agree that it should be cut to minimum-but if the patient licks the pellets from his palm immediately-there is no harm done! After all comatose patient ALWAYS take the remedy that way.
2. What about 15 min before sleeping? Are you saying it is wrong?
now, let's discuss:
1. if patient is the only one who uses that vial then yes, the best way is to get medicine in the cap and then to the mouth.
If however you dispense the medicine from the same vial to different people then the most hygienic way is: to cap and on the patient's (never the other person!)palm (which is CLEAN, washed with water only -and can be moist or even licked (!) esp with kids-so the pellets stay there-
see-it is very individualized.
I agree that it should be cut to minimum-but if the patient licks the pellets from his palm immediately-there is no harm done! After all comatose patient ALWAYS take the remedy that way.
2. What about 15 min before sleeping? Are you saying it is wrong?
Astra2012 last decade
Astra
For heaven's sake,don't give pellets to comatose people.Best is olfaction,or rubbing on the skin,liquid.
I was referring to a book on emergency treatment,in the post "no.of doses for acute problems".Pl.get it and read.
There is a chance of the pellets going into lungs.!!!
What the doctors in India folllow is to use a clean tissue paper,to put the pellets,and ask the patient to take it from the paper,straight into mouth.
Palm is not good.
Ok.for your sake,let us say 15 minutes.(hahaha)
You are being stubborn(Very bad ,we don't have emoticons here)
any way,I like you for your no nonsense approach.
Murthy
For heaven's sake,don't give pellets to comatose people.Best is olfaction,or rubbing on the skin,liquid.
I was referring to a book on emergency treatment,in the post "no.of doses for acute problems".Pl.get it and read.
There is a chance of the pellets going into lungs.!!!
What the doctors in India folllow is to use a clean tissue paper,to put the pellets,and ask the patient to take it from the paper,straight into mouth.
Palm is not good.
Ok.for your sake,let us say 15 minutes.(hahaha)
You are being stubborn(Very bad ,we don't have emoticons here)
any way,I like you for your no nonsense approach.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I said:
After all comatose patient ALWAYS take the remedy that way.
I didn't of course mean that they lick their palm-I meant "through the skin"
- the pellets are e.g. taped in the armpit so they aren't in the way-and stay like that for some time.
Comatose patients (I never had one-fortunately) take NOTHING through mouth-even the tube to their stomach goes through their nose (I don't know why?)How could you even think that I want them to lick their palms??? It's ridiculous.
Seems that I should always include second post explaining what I mean.
Doctors in India do it very nice. But tell me why you said:
Palm is not good.
Reasons why?
also you said:
Ok.for your sake,let us say 15 minutes.
it isn't for my sake-I don't care about such artificial
numbers.
If the remedy is better taken in the evening, like e.g. nux v., I just say word evening, and sometimes add "before bedtime".
All my patients know basics of homeopathy, what's being done and why. After all their bodies do all the healing not remedies (and certainly not I).
After all comatose patient ALWAYS take the remedy that way.
I didn't of course mean that they lick their palm-I meant "through the skin"
- the pellets are e.g. taped in the armpit so they aren't in the way-and stay like that for some time.
Comatose patients (I never had one-fortunately) take NOTHING through mouth-even the tube to their stomach goes through their nose (I don't know why?)How could you even think that I want them to lick their palms??? It's ridiculous.
Seems that I should always include second post explaining what I mean.
Doctors in India do it very nice. But tell me why you said:
Palm is not good.
Reasons why?
also you said:
Ok.for your sake,let us say 15 minutes.
it isn't for my sake-I don't care about such artificial
numbers.
If the remedy is better taken in the evening, like e.g. nux v., I just say word evening, and sometimes add "before bedtime".
All my patients know basics of homeopathy, what's being done and why. After all their bodies do all the healing not remedies (and certainly not I).
Astra2012 last decade
Palm doesn't look seriously?
Remember that it is clean so hygiene is kept-we discuss only merits i. e. why it is not good.
the remedy is touched ONLY by the patient.
What wrong will happen?
Remember that it is clean so hygiene is kept-we discuss only merits i. e. why it is not good.
the remedy is touched ONLY by the patient.
What wrong will happen?
Astra2012 last decade
The palm should be clean,if you want to take it that way.
'At bed time' is ok.Since we are talking about 1/2 hour rule for food etc,it is convenient to use it,here also.
Murthy
'At bed time' is ok.Since we are talking about 1/2 hour rule for food etc,it is convenient to use it,here also.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Why am I being stuborn? Because I keep saying different things than "commonly accepted" and see no reason why I should change my views? Give me just one reason WHY:
1. Palm is worse for homeopathic remedy than paper (remember: we don't discuss appearances)
2. you need to determine when a remedy can be taken before bedtime?
So far I've seen no reason to change my views.
I am writing many posts because there is 8?9? hrs difference-so tomorrow you'll be here first.
btw: I appreciate your suggestion of causticum-really!
1. Palm is worse for homeopathic remedy than paper (remember: we don't discuss appearances)
2. you need to determine when a remedy can be taken before bedtime?
So far I've seen no reason to change my views.
I am writing many posts because there is 8?9? hrs difference-so tomorrow you'll be here first.
btw: I appreciate your suggestion of causticum-really!
Astra2012 last decade
Why am I being stuborn? Because I keep saying different things than "commonly accepted" and see no reason why I should change my views? Give me just one reason WHY:
1. Palm is worse for homeopathic remedy than paper (remember: we don't discuss appearances)
2. you need to determine when a remedy can be taken before bedtime?
So far I've seen no reason to change my views.
I am writing many posts because there is 8?9? hrs difference-so tomorrow you'll be here first.
btw: I appreciate your suggestion of causticum-really!
1. Palm is worse for homeopathic remedy than paper (remember: we don't discuss appearances)
2. you need to determine when a remedy can be taken before bedtime?
So far I've seen no reason to change my views.
I am writing many posts because there is 8?9? hrs difference-so tomorrow you'll be here first.
btw: I appreciate your suggestion of causticum-really!
Astra2012 last decade
'...Hahnemann himself alludes to the essay he wrote upon the action of coffee in 1803, where he had ascribed the production of a multitude of chronic diseases to the action of that all but universal beverage, and he confesses that he thinks he had ascribed an exaggerated importance and gravity to its use; since his discovery of psora as the cause of many chronic diseases, he is inclined to attribute to that agent the production of most of those affections he had imputed to coffee.' [Dudgeon, 1853, p259]
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hello Murthy
Yesterday I went through a book (not really worth reading imo) "Practical homeopathy" by Vinton McCabe (long experience ... but in teaching and writing books-doesn't count!)and THIS GUY has paranoia about what you can and cannot eat during homeopathic treatment!
There was a whole list which I didn't memorize (thinking about the limited space in my head-I must be really carefull what I put there)-but cranberries and pineapple was on the no list.
Basically you can drink only plain water (not mineral!)and very weak black tea.
Allopathic treatment seems less harsh now!
Yesterday I went through a book (not really worth reading imo) "Practical homeopathy" by Vinton McCabe (long experience ... but in teaching and writing books-doesn't count!)and THIS GUY has paranoia about what you can and cannot eat during homeopathic treatment!
There was a whole list which I didn't memorize (thinking about the limited space in my head-I must be really carefull what I put there)-but cranberries and pineapple was on the no list.
Basically you can drink only plain water (not mineral!)and very weak black tea.
Allopathic treatment seems less harsh now!
Astra2012 last decade
Astra
You know I am experimenting with olfaction of causticum (now liquid),without changing any of my food habits,including taking 3 cups of coffee,every day,and the results are wonderful.
I am talking with experience,and after experimentation on myself.
Homeopathy works,without the necessity of changing your food habits.Only thing is,first make sure you found the right remedy,and second,the method of administration has to be changed,to suit the individual.
It may be olfaction,liquid doses,split doses.But the requirement is, raise the potency slightly every time,and take the medicine frequently.
You can't do that with dry pellets.
Murthy
You know I am experimenting with olfaction of causticum (now liquid),without changing any of my food habits,including taking 3 cups of coffee,every day,and the results are wonderful.
I am talking with experience,and after experimentation on myself.
Homeopathy works,without the necessity of changing your food habits.Only thing is,first make sure you found the right remedy,and second,the method of administration has to be changed,to suit the individual.
It may be olfaction,liquid doses,split doses.But the requirement is, raise the potency slightly every time,and take the medicine frequently.
You can't do that with dry pellets.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I agree with Murthy! I have found from my own experience the same. I am taking my Chronic remedy, split dose method, without change of lifestyle issue (some coffee, etc) and have had great results! It feels great to have some freedom without the fear of failure attached.
Loree
Loree
loree last decade
There are a few questions cropping up again regarding coffee.The topic is revived for the convenience of new comers.
Murthy
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I've read Ullman's book on homeopathy in which they warn about drinking coffee (decaf included)-other caffeinated drinks like sodas are ok)-accupuncture antidotes too
(they say).
I think they don't like coffee but like coke.
(they say).
I think they don't like coffee but like coke.
Astra2012 last decade
Astra
If you are addicted to coffee,it will antidote.
If you are not,it won't.
The craving for coffee,if you miss it at your regular times,getting headaches etc,if you miss them, are sure signs of addiction.
The same applies to cola also.
Acupuncture...I don't know.
Murthy
If you are addicted to coffee,it will antidote.
If you are not,it won't.
The craving for coffee,if you miss it at your regular times,getting headaches etc,if you miss them, are sure signs of addiction.
The same applies to cola also.
Acupuncture...I don't know.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Addictions antidote?
To coffee? cola? why not alcohol?
they say that camphor, menthol, eucalyptus antidote-but why not other aromatic oils?
(I have another problem now: a woman needs phosphorus-but she also uses from time to time homeopathic eyedrops with senega, ruta, conium and nat.m.
Nothing here antidotes but what happens to one remedy at a time? )
To coffee? cola? why not alcohol?
they say that camphor, menthol, eucalyptus antidote-but why not other aromatic oils?
(I have another problem now: a woman needs phosphorus-but she also uses from time to time homeopathic eyedrops with senega, ruta, conium and nat.m.
Nothing here antidotes but what happens to one remedy at a time? )
Astra2012 last decade
A good question
Addiction to any thing is bad.If you are addicted to alcohol,homeo medicines will definitely get antidoted quickly.
Remember the case of Fiona's brother.They were trying to cure him,but the medicines are working only for a short time.
Other aromatic oils...I have to read further.
If you observe,most of the combination medicines are mostly in mother tinctures,or very low dilutions.May be they are not working homeopathically,but,rather allopathically.
Murthy
Addiction to any thing is bad.If you are addicted to alcohol,homeo medicines will definitely get antidoted quickly.
Remember the case of Fiona's brother.They were trying to cure him,but the medicines are working only for a short time.
Other aromatic oils...I have to read further.
If you observe,most of the combination medicines are mostly in mother tinctures,or very low dilutions.May be they are not working homeopathically,but,rather allopathically.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
DEAR FRIENDS '
(1) " coffee can antidot homeo medicine"
coffee has a large amount of "cafeen". Increasing blood pressure is specilaty of cafeen and it also stope the memory centres in brain. so it produce more symptoms and change the mind symptoms of the patient so we advise dont take coffee for fast healig .
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(2) COFFEE can noantidohomeo medicine" "visible things have no effect on in visibles(dynamic force)" according to this law we can say that coffee can not antidot homeo medicines. i studied in materia medica of kashi ram he sayes" we rejected the ALLOPATHY because allpathe uses medicine in crude form so have no effect on vital force and our homeopathy using medicine in the form of energy and this is best method then allopathy"
............................. (3)some medicine are made in homeopathy from electricity' X.rays'megnit,sun rays'moon light and thay have effect on vital force so there are many electric magnatic rays in our invirement and body absobe it why our medicine antidot by this rays.
(1) " coffee can antidot homeo medicine"
coffee has a large amount of "cafeen". Increasing blood pressure is specilaty of cafeen and it also stope the memory centres in brain. so it produce more symptoms and change the mind symptoms of the patient so we advise dont take coffee for fast healig .
..........................................................
(2) COFFEE can noantidohomeo medicine" "visible things have no effect on in visibles(dynamic force)" according to this law we can say that coffee can not antidot homeo medicines. i studied in materia medica of kashi ram he sayes" we rejected the ALLOPATHY because allpathe uses medicine in crude form so have no effect on vital force and our homeopathy using medicine in the form of energy and this is best method then allopathy"
............................. (3)some medicine are made in homeopathy from electricity' X.rays'megnit,sun rays'moon light and thay have effect on vital force so there are many electric magnatic rays in our invirement and body absobe it why our medicine antidot by this rays.
haroon israr last decade
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