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I agree with Murty - I find coffee onle antidotes certain remedies, and only if the person is addicted.
Minsa last decade
Nice,interesting thread.
I have just started taking a medicine.I took the first dose today.
These are my thoughts.
Since the entire science of homoepathy is based on observations, that lead to provings as opposed to allopathic medicines which have a science based on specific localized reactions (e.g. this chemical kills this bacteria by doing this, this chemical reduces the size of this gland etc etc), it kind of makes sense to trust the observations so far that have been documented in the field of homoepathy.
All of you are the experts there , I am only a patient so if you agree that "more homoepathic literature tells to avoid coffee than those that advocate not avoiding it ", then we as patients will be comfortable accepting all your suggestions for avoiding. It will be tough but we will give it a best effort.
On a side note,based on the majority of suggestions so far, I have decided to avoid the following .
coffee, tea, cold drinks, soda, strong smells etc. I have thrown off all my old soaps, creams and have brought soaps, creams that are labelled "fragrance free" here in US.
I do not know if this will work or not, but at least I know "I am giving it a best shot based on the majority suggestions so far.
But I tell you boy is it tough to find products that are fragrance free
I have just started taking a medicine.I took the first dose today.
These are my thoughts.
Since the entire science of homoepathy is based on observations, that lead to provings as opposed to allopathic medicines which have a science based on specific localized reactions (e.g. this chemical kills this bacteria by doing this, this chemical reduces the size of this gland etc etc), it kind of makes sense to trust the observations so far that have been documented in the field of homoepathy.
All of you are the experts there , I am only a patient so if you agree that "more homoepathic literature tells to avoid coffee than those that advocate not avoiding it ", then we as patients will be comfortable accepting all your suggestions for avoiding. It will be tough but we will give it a best effort.
On a side note,based on the majority of suggestions so far, I have decided to avoid the following .
coffee, tea, cold drinks, soda, strong smells etc. I have thrown off all my old soaps, creams and have brought soaps, creams that are labelled "fragrance free" here in US.
I do not know if this will work or not, but at least I know "I am giving it a best shot based on the majority suggestions so far.
But I tell you boy is it tough to find products that are fragrance free
unluckyguy last decade
Just a suggestion: look at changes in your life that you can be OK with for the long-run. I have found that coffee antidotes me to some extent, but I am OK with green tea, cold drinks, etc. I have not changed anything too much. I don't use incense or essential oils, but you will find others do use essentail oils without a problem. It is all about using as the "dos and don'ts" as a guideline and discovering an increased awareness of yourself to guide you. Rule of thumb is if you are not improving with your remedy, start to look at the coffee, strong scents, etc.that may be interfering with your remedy.
Good Luck to you,
Loree
Good Luck to you,
Loree
loree last decade
BTW: strong scents with camphor and the like can antidote.
loree last decade
All these arguemnts defile the cause of homeopathy. It is an individual science/art, and in every case considerations must be taken. If a patient is used to a thing - eg. coffee or certain lotions, then it should not be a consideration unless it comes into play that it might be an be an obstacle to the cure. For example, if one had never had aroma therapy and immediatley after a dose of a remedy, patient goes for an aromatic massage, there might be a problem. But if a patient has been using aromatic oils for some time and seeks homeopathic assistance towards health, then those aromas to which he has become accustomed may not interfere.
I am trying my best here to be reasonable....so many practioners profess "no this, no that" and yet the remedies will work sometimes under the most dire "no-no" situations. (I once gave nox-v IN a cup of strong coffee with desired result)
I'm just a student and a patient and have extremely limited experience, but I believe that the arguments surrounding antidoting of remedies is an issue that should be resolved before it allows skeptics and the pharmaceutical companies etc. to shred our beautiful system to bits with rhetoric.
I know that I have gone out on a limb here, but I feel quite strongly about this particular issue as I have had much personal experience with it.
Alice K.
I am trying my best here to be reasonable....so many practioners profess "no this, no that" and yet the remedies will work sometimes under the most dire "no-no" situations. (I once gave nox-v IN a cup of strong coffee with desired result)
I'm just a student and a patient and have extremely limited experience, but I believe that the arguments surrounding antidoting of remedies is an issue that should be resolved before it allows skeptics and the pharmaceutical companies etc. to shred our beautiful system to bits with rhetoric.
I know that I have gone out on a limb here, but I feel quite strongly about this particular issue as I have had much personal experience with it.
Alice K.
Alice K. last decade
That is so true - too many 'don't's make a lot of people think its just not worth trying homeopathy. Sensible and necessary caveats are good, but blanket 'Thou shalt nots' just put people off.
A friend of mine told me that a very senior homeopath in Bombay used to tell his patients to strictly lay off coffee while under his treatment. Often, after the cure had been effected, they would tell him that sorry, but they hadn't been able to keep off coffee. Of course there must be those who did, and there must've been those who found no effect from the remedies because of the coffee, but a large number of them reacted to remedies in spite of coffee.
I think it's a good practice to at least try something that goes against accepted beliefs.
A friend of mine told me that a very senior homeopath in Bombay used to tell his patients to strictly lay off coffee while under his treatment. Often, after the cure had been effected, they would tell him that sorry, but they hadn't been able to keep off coffee. Of course there must be those who did, and there must've been those who found no effect from the remedies because of the coffee, but a large number of them reacted to remedies in spite of coffee.
I think it's a good practice to at least try something that goes against accepted beliefs.
Minsa last decade
There is no doubt in my mind now that Coffee does antidote Homeopathic remedies. I posted news on Christmas Day that Nat Phos 6x which I discovered reduces one's weight by about 0.5kg per day after the third day.
Two persons to whom I had suggested this simple remedy reported that they did not lose any weight and in both cases they were coffee drinkers. One of them stopped coffee and his weight started to climb down on the third day after stopping coffee and he is now down by 9 kg after taking it for about 4 weeks. One person was an asthmatic and he was regularly on his inhaler and the weight reduction therapy did not work.
A list of items that I have found usually antidote Homeopathic remedies are Cola drinks, acidic fruits like tomatoes, any preserved meats that contain saltpeter, camphor, strong scents and aromas like incense smoke.
Two persons to whom I had suggested this simple remedy reported that they did not lose any weight and in both cases they were coffee drinkers. One of them stopped coffee and his weight started to climb down on the third day after stopping coffee and he is now down by 9 kg after taking it for about 4 weeks. One person was an asthmatic and he was regularly on his inhaler and the weight reduction therapy did not work.
A list of items that I have found usually antidote Homeopathic remedies are Cola drinks, acidic fruits like tomatoes, any preserved meats that contain saltpeter, camphor, strong scents and aromas like incense smoke.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Yes, Minsa, my point exactly! It is a very indiviualised system and generalisations are pointless. Those practioners that profess "no this, not that" aren't taking into account the individual's quirks and preferences. As for the founder - he was extremely brilliant in his time, but all art/science moves forward and builds upon its foundations.
Alice K. last decade
Dear Joe, I'll be a donkey's rear end! I have a mountain of respect for you and your work. I'm more confused than ever by the observations that you've sited regarding coffee, camphor and the like. Do you have any advice regarding antidotes to remedies that we could take to bed (where I have to go soon considering the 56 centimetres of snow we've just had here and I have to get up at 6 for a ski jaunt)?
Alice K. last decade
I don't quite understand your query. Do I understand that you suffer from insomnia ?
If so the remedy is 4 balls of Arnica 30 under the tongue. No coffee of course ! You will discover that you will sleep like a log. Remember to keep a loud alarm to wake up up for your ski trip.
Here in Colombo the temperature is high today at 89F and the humidity is just killing at 95%. Unusual for this time of the year when it is usually cool
If so the remedy is 4 balls of Arnica 30 under the tongue. No coffee of course ! You will discover that you will sleep like a log. Remember to keep a loud alarm to wake up up for your ski trip.
Here in Colombo the temperature is high today at 89F and the humidity is just killing at 95%. Unusual for this time of the year when it is usually cool
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Joe - To keep this light - no insomnia, just a bit more shovelling to do to get the van out of the drive. It's minus 22C with windchill of something gawdawful, but great snow for skiing as it's light and fluffy. Hunidity here causes the inner windows to frost up with ice, so no pasta cooking on cold days. Ciao, bello.
Respectfully,
Alice
Respectfully,
Alice
Alice K. last decade
Hi Alice
Your slang is confusing Joe.Add the spelling mistakes and it is chaos.(laughing)
I am glad people are still taking interest in the thread.
My opinions are well known by now,and the whole purpose of the thread is, not to scare away people from homeopathy,with so many restrictions.
One can think of probable causes,if the well selected remedy,is not working.May be you have to investigate the case of coffee etc.at that point of time.
In majority of the cases patients do things as they are used to,even if you tell them to stop.They may not tell you that.But,despite that the medicines work in majority of cases.
Murthy
Your slang is confusing Joe.Add the spelling mistakes and it is chaos.(laughing)
I am glad people are still taking interest in the thread.
My opinions are well known by now,and the whole purpose of the thread is, not to scare away people from homeopathy,with so many restrictions.
One can think of probable causes,if the well selected remedy,is not working.May be you have to investigate the case of coffee etc.at that point of time.
In majority of the cases patients do things as they are used to,even if you tell them to stop.They may not tell you that.But,despite that the medicines work in majority of cases.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Alice
Your slang is confusing Joe.Add the spelling mistakes and it is chaos.(laughing)
I am glad people are still taking interest in the thread.
My opinions are well known by now,and the whole purpose of the thread is, not to scare away people from homeopathy,with so many restrictions.
One can think of probable causes,if the well selected remedy,is not working.May be you have to investigate the case of coffee etc.at that point of time.
In majority of the cases patients do things as they are used to,even if you tell them to stop.They may not tell you that.But,despite that the medicines work in majority of cases.
Murthy
Your slang is confusing Joe.Add the spelling mistakes and it is chaos.(laughing)
I am glad people are still taking interest in the thread.
My opinions are well known by now,and the whole purpose of the thread is, not to scare away people from homeopathy,with so many restrictions.
One can think of probable causes,if the well selected remedy,is not working.May be you have to investigate the case of coffee etc.at that point of time.
In majority of the cases patients do things as they are used to,even if you tell them to stop.They may not tell you that.But,despite that the medicines work in majority of cases.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Shirley (long time exp. homeopath) wrote (in the artticle about her clinical experience:
I learned from this experience that the right remedy will work through even very suppressive drugs,
It was about cortisol.
It might be the same for coffee.
I learned from this experience that the right remedy will work through even very suppressive drugs,
It was about cortisol.
It might be the same for coffee.
Astra2012 last decade
Hi all - While on the ski trip to the escarpment we all drank hot coffee a lot for warmth and, tadah...my rash came back. I don't know if it's related or not, but my remedy had been doing well for me since November, then...coffee every day for three days...rash came back. Or maybe it was the -24C and wind. Who knows. Anyway, no more coffee for me for a while. And it's snowing again. Don't you love Canadian winters!!!
Alice
Alice
Alice K. last decade
Dear Murthy,
I apologise for my slang - "tadah" means the same thing as "voila" - or look there (roughly). "Ciao" meanns the same as tatafornow or farewell or see you later, and "bello" means (roughly) lovely fellow. And the same to you as I bid you goodnight.
Alice
I apologise for my slang - "tadah" means the same thing as "voila" - or look there (roughly). "Ciao" meanns the same as tatafornow or farewell or see you later, and "bello" means (roughly) lovely fellow. And the same to you as I bid you goodnight.
Alice
Alice K. last decade
All the cold air comes here from Canada!
Not on the subject of antidoting but alternation.
In Phatak's "clinical experience" I read about his case of vertigo < turning head sideways (like conium)
> leaning head against something (like sabadilla). When he gave either one there was no effect, when he alternated them-he cured!
So it seems that alternations are not totally bad!
Not on the subject of antidoting but alternation.
In Phatak's "clinical experience" I read about his case of vertigo < turning head sideways (like conium)
> leaning head against something (like sabadilla). When he gave either one there was no effect, when he alternated them-he cured!
So it seems that alternations are not totally bad!
Astra2012 last decade
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