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panman last decade
So I come to this posting board and share personal experiences and the facts of the professionals; the trained Psychiatrists who have gone to school for many years and done the research into this disorder, they have interviewed the patients and they treat persons with DP to this very day. Yet their facts are wrong? For reading into this disorder and doing my research (not just listening to some unqualified therapist as some obviously have) I've got it so wrong? Ironic
Firstly may I ask, what is the purpose of this board? It is to share information about homeopathic approaches to solving problems. This point has been completely missed. The very nature of my posting; to find out about homeopathic approaches has been manipulated into a proposition that I have come here to take away hope? Please refer to previous posts if you missed the point.
Some Facts (remember facts speak for themselves, not misleading, incomplete info):
Just as there is the homeopathic approach, there is the Psychoanalytical approach (the assertion there is some traumatic event buried deep down in the sub conscious, that must be explored), the Cognitive approach (just get on with it, you tell DP what to do, not it tell you), the medical approach (take an SSRI, Anticonvulsant, mood stabiliser etc.), the medical approach centres on some sort of dysregulation in brain chemistry, in other words a pathophysiological approach. Then there is the endocrinology approach (this one is theoretical and attempts to explain DP through the HPA-axis, more research is needed)
Can you see the key point here; these are all approaches and rationales to try to explain DP? One works for some, and others work some. Its the pattern of the illness that is unique to the individual and the avenue that will yield greatest results may be aligned to this very fact. So where do you get off saying I'm taking away hope?? Excuse me, but you're the one asserting that, only the psychoanalytical approach works. Yet obviously it's not, the only avenue, as many have achieved relief through the other approaches, yes? This same point is backed up by the research undertaken by the professionals. A professional you're not. Read the facts.
You assert that it's only present in individuals with anxiety. Obviously one hasn't read the literature, or they would be aware of the differing patterns to the illness. On one hand some have a pattern consistent with anxiety (I do not deny this), others have a strong history of Depression, some have physical underlying neurological illness (epilepsy, migraine and MS), some say drug induced and up to 70% of mental hospital in-patients have DP symptoms. Anxiety is one of the triggers, but evidence clearly shows that people can be affected by having other triggers, schizophrenia and Depression included. Yes I may be academically inclined but Please read the facts.
I'm not here to say don't use the Psycho approach just that, if you try it and it doesn't work try something else. To assert that the Psycho approach is the only solution is to assert you know the exact cause of the DP which is silly, because there has been so little research done and not even the professionals are sure as to which approach best explains it. One thing is everyone is unique and responds to different things.
Give people hope by letting them know about the different approaches. Then let the individual decide.
Go to the sources at the end of my post and read the facts from those who do the research, who have interviewed the hundreds, then come back and talk about facts. Come back and understand that there are different approaches, you need to find what works best for you!
Oh and there is a clear difference between actually being diagnosed with the disorder and just having symptoms. Please read facts.
No such thing as Primary DP:
Sachdev, P. (2002) CitalopramClonazepam combination for primary depersonalization disorder: a case report. Australia and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 36, 424425.
For more information on DP from professionals please refer to:
Understanding and treating depersonalisation disorder Nick Medford, Mauricio Sierra, Dawn Baker and Anthony S. David
Please note the key word 'disorder'. There are specific requirements before one is diagnosed as having the disorder.
P.S. take the info to your therapist.
jono11 last decade
I'll tell you what, when you reach 11 years and your DP takes another turn for worse just after you thought you'd got a grip on it, you then come back and tell me if you want to go for another 10 years.
Yes, you get on, you try but after a while it will come back to haunt you. Yes it will and when it does, you'll know what I mean.
That's why I assert that urgent research is needed into effective means of treating the disorder, I don't know if you have the disorder or just symptoms, but I have the disorder.
Even the researchers in the field are stressing that new treatments must be discovered. So I'm obviously not the only one.
jono11 last decade
Many people to do not have strong immune systems respond to lectin ingention with chronic problems. Many people have no idea why they are exhausted, have muddled thinking, depression, 'non-emotive, non-thinking', and digestive ailments, particularly gall bladder issues.
Frequently found offernders: potato, tomato, pepper and eggplant. Grains, esp wheat, grapes, alcohol. Peanuts, beans and their oils. Dairy, Drugs, tree nuts (mold issues).
Why cannibis could be included in this list? Its a weed, could have secondary metabolism/lectin issues, maybe some molds or fungi included...
Not all these listed things cause problems. Its often isolated down to one, like corn, or grapes, or a drug, which in truth is usually a secondary metabolite...
Very diffuse chronic stuff, and most docs dont know anything about this.
We use a 3 mode approach with homeopathic remedies for SMS (secondary metabolism syndrome)
1-attack the poisons. use allergy and emergency response formulas
2-support the liver. Prefer liquid liver support, drop into a liter of water, drink 2-3 liters of the water each day.
3-support stomach/pancreas/spleen (earth meridian) and proteolytic enzymes...
Usually takes 4-12 weeks. may need refresher doses from time to time.
Try to never re-introduce the offender, whether it be cannibis, or a tomato! Also, no grapefruit juice during detox of liver. Is naringenin slows down Phase 1 detox...
Hope that helps...
Dr Mom last decade
now i know you will come back with some big words and some info you have pulled off the internet and throw it at me and you will probably feel better when you do so what ever works for you you should go with it. some things in life like D/R are not explainable dont look for an explaination look for the reasons why you need an explaination maybe your a control freak (just between you and me i think you are) and maybe you are so scared of this thing D/R that you feel better when you call it a 'disorder' which means 'illness' which in turn means 'Poor health resulting from disease of body or mind; sickness.' if you honestly believe it is a 'disorder' than you go with that.
the people that you have got your info from are the same people that write the books for the trained therorpists that we see!!!! the only way they can explain it is by calling it a 'disorder' or it wouldnt be worth explaining in the first place????
i know you have some great things to reasearch or look for and put into text or at the very least something extremely bright and intelligent to say and i must say you seem to very very very smart hehehe and it kinda impresses me hehehe so i wait to hear back. Thank you for opening my eyes to the sort of person i am without reading what you just wrote and the way in which you wrote it i would never had understood why this happened to me now i know i am a control freak to i just need to take a step back and let go a little and let what ever life throws at me make me stronger and not feel the need to have an answer for everything thanks john god bless you i think i might go and live a little now and stop reading these silly things and having an answer for everything just deal with it as if it was a bully at school ignore it i know it will have its fun and then it will go away because it will get bored when i dont react.
and thanks for wishing it on me to come back at a later day i hope it does cause by then i will have learnt how to master it and i will beat it again there are people dying of cancer and aids and other harder things to live with than whats happening to me at least people dont die from D/R and anxiety so i got plenty of time to enjoy myself for another 50 years..... at least!!!!! thanks again john!!!
panman last decade
You're a gentleman. It takes a lot to admit you got things wrong and that from now you'll be more sensitive to the poor people out there who experience an illness differently than you do. I trust you've now seen tha
jono11 last decade
Just if more people in this world were like you so accepting and ready to change your views once you've been informed.
Congrats and welcome to maturity, you finally made it.
jono11 last decade
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Akuta last decade
heres my situatin i was diagnosed with panick attacks back in 1996 i have beeen taking a combination of klonopin with either buspar, effexor, zoloft or paxil not for 10+ years. i am currently just taking the klonopine, but i think its losing it effect. i have been have these huge derealization symptoms, and my first question is why all the sudden when i on a med. to prevent them and 2nd, what triggers them?? i know for sure if i go to walmart or local grocery storey i am almost floating cause of the lights. the hard part is describing this to doctors. can you can function but nobody really knows what your going through but you. i play ice hockey and under those bright lights i am so far in left field and the rink seems to be 8 miles wide at times, but the weird part is i come out of the derealization after an hour so with a headache. so i am real curious about these andif this stuff goes away. and how to do deal with it. i have no motivation, i really dont want to hear anybody talking and if i had my chose i would stay home 7 days a week. so if anybody has some helpful techniques please email me. cause i am so curious. the people i am hurting the most are my wife and child, cause i am not myself at all, and i dont really want to do anything beside be home watching t.v. then to bed.
my only real remedy is drinking to be honest, when i am half drunk i feel the best and thats a shame. but drinking i guess calms you and makes you forget. but please email me cause i want to talk about this with someone who is experiencing the same things. i am 33 years old and this has been as issue since i was about 21 . i had it under control and was having fun, doing things, getting out, but no i am stuff in a ditch somewhere. am i depressed?? i dont know but i know the derealization sends me into some serious anxiety attacks and makes me want to leave alot of public functions.
3 months ago i was the life of the party, i was playing sports and having fun. now i am thinking of ways to avoid going, and liek i said most of all i am not myself and people ask me at work at times you have a rough night?? hell no i am going through derealization , followed by panick attacks and headache. i want to be down on earth but i on the cloud over the building right now.
well anyways please email me wiht your solutions and i hope we can talk, cause this is a scare thing. if it does go away, what makes it go away. and once you get it or it happens to you, what makes it happen to you. it is a anxiety issue or depression, i dont know. i hate it and it is controlling my life at many times.
please shoot me back your advice i would love to talk!!
skillz25 last decade
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strick9 last decade
so give me your advice on today. i have been taking zoloft and klonopin but i was way to tired and gettting headacheds so dr. said no more zoloft.
so i have been afraid to go in public because of the anxiety and the derealization i am facing, but i tried to be strong and overcome this. well anyways i went today to simply ref a flag football game cause i am a true athlete. anyways then entire time there i was sweating alot, derealizating, not myself at all and my only thought was to get the hell out of there quickly. i watched the clocked continously. i hate this because 3 months ago i was the life of the party,hanging out, going to friends houses, concerts you name it i was there. now i run from everything. my friend invited me to watch some football made a bunch of stuff up so i didnt go. wife wanted me to go to store, i refused, cause i only feel okay at home, right now?? what is this. my dr. seems to think it is anxiety and depression is that true.
anyways after football, i felt like crap , rushed home and lied down. took 25mg of zoloft which seemed to help me out even though i am suppose to be off it. pleasee help , i want my life back, badly.
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SvetlanaLub last decade
I have been having a bit of it this week so here I am. YOU WILL GET BETTER but it will be something you deal with at times. As you battle it, it become less scary and more like 'darn, here it comes again...this is not what I need to deal with this week.' Where before it was 'am I crazy..I cant live like this...am I in a dream, I am so scared I can not even eat, will I ever be normal again'
Minor things like being under fluorescent lights can remind me of that unreality feeling. Just leave the room and try to do something to occupy your mind and it will pass. But Major stresses in your life that you cant escape will be hard for you, but you learn to deal with it and control it. And most importantly these feelings will become less scary! And not fearing it is the key to rising above it!
It has effected my life for sure. I have chosen a life of low stress. No long trips, and try to avoid uncomfortable things that can bring stress. I even avoided marriage and staring a family a little because I feared the major change in life could brig up those feelings. I have a great wife and family now but I struggled a bit with the changes at first.
You know what...everyone has crap they deal with, some people get depressed, some drink, some were abused and have fears that effect their life. You are dealing with this. It's pretty minor!
The root of the disorder is the 'fear of the fear' Once you get used to it, it becomes less scary and therefore less of your time is spent thinking about it and the cycle is more or less broken. Much like when you 'are in it' and when you wake up and feel normal for a moment before the feelings take over. They loose their power and just become a nuscence.
Tell yourself how lucky you are that you have your health, it will pass and go do something to keep your mind off it. I found motorcycle rides where your mind is so focused for the entire ride help allot. Give your mind a chance to calm down and helps break the cycle. Any very focused activity should work. I will be happy to email with someone going through this as I remember how HORRIBLE it was and the terror I went through. I am not '100% cured' and it has effected my life a bit, but we are who we are because of where we have been and deal with our baggage and it is a minor part of my life now, and it is a wonderful life! It will get better and you will learn to deal with it.......I imagine some may even 100% be rid of it..I promise it will get better!
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patrickeatspants last decade
I was able to help several people personally with deralization (DR). I will just provide some information which may help you understand your own condition, which will enable you to deal with it for good.
Fist of all, to those who have taken antidepressants, marijuana, some sort of psychedelics, you may have experienced a feeling which is similar to DR. This is normal, and is a natural response to severe mental strain. This is absolutely NOT an indication of any mental disorder. On the contrary, you are functioning very well.
Episodes of DR also often happen in response to prolonged stress, OCD, lack of sleep and other mentally-straining factors or activities. Again, it's a normal response. Physiologically normal, but to our mind it's so weird that we just think we've gone nuts. You WISH! If you were, you most likely wouldn't know about it, plus you'd have a LOT more fun doing crazy sh##! :)
What some describe as decade-long DR is in MOST cases DR resulting from self-perpetuating anxiety or panic disorder. Approximately 21% of Americans suffer from these two disorders in a given year (source: nih.gov), and DR is a very common symptom. One of the problems with anxiety disorders is that having an attack (such as a DR episode) causes fear of the following attack, which creates anxiety again.
The only way to break this cycle is to understand that your anxiety is unfounded -- you are only afraid of it. So why are you so afraid? DR is there to help you with anxiety or panic, not to hurt you, and it's an indication that your response is perfectly normal! Yeah, I know I know -- easier said than done :)
Moving on, DR is very common, with a lifetime prevalence of 26% to 74% and as high as 31% to 66% during a traumatic event (See Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology Volume 39, Number 1 / January, 2004). Normal people get it too, I've asked around :) So you aren't alone there.
One thing to remember is that DR is not a disorder in itself. It can be a symptom of different disorders. It can also be a side effect of stress, lack of sleep or (as mentioned above) using drugs, and in these scenarios it just passes by.
This is more of a disclaimer, but if you've had (or suspect that you had) some serious mental disorder (bipolar/schizophrenia etc) or physical brain trauma in the past (before DR), you definitely should go to a clinic to get looked at! Of course, don't expect the doctor to diagnose DR, it's not a disorder.
Thanks, wish you all feel better soon
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rainnight last decade
I lose virtually all sense of reality, like everything is very dream like. Simple things like brushing my teeth or having a shave feel almost impossible because of mental exhaustion - it feels like the electrical impulses in my brain have gone all wrong.
I need to sleep for hours and hours during the day and I dream constantly, and i hardly ever usually dream.
Paranoia sets in and it's such a task leaving the house, mainly due to exhaustion and the feeling that something's going to go wrong. Not only that, but everything seems to break or go wrong when D/R kicks in.
I hardly eat or drink, mainly because I don't get hungry or thirsty.
Then there are the blanks, things you think you've missed or wondering how someone left the room without you noticing or not hearing someone come up the stairs, like time lapses.
Also my hearing gets a bit muffled and it's like people do things out of routine unitentionally, not realising how much they're confusing you.
Luckily for me it only seems to have happened once a year since 2005 and lasts for about 2 weeks but it's really intense. However, I think that once you realise what it is, it almost becomes like a bit of a pain in the bum.
You have to remember that you'll always snap out of it and that physically your body is fine. And so is your mind! It's just your brain sorting itself out and doing what it needs to do in order to fix you.
Anyway, feel free to email me if anyone wants to talk. Until today I thought I had baffled the medical world until I came across this site. Take care everyone!
Skaterkid last decade
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