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Sorry dude but you have it all wrong there no none case of D/R being a primary problem you have had it for 10 years and never gave it a thought well i think u have!!! If you went for 10years without a worry of it then it wont hurt another 10 years surely??? And yes I do know people that have been helped and even cured by therapy please dont get on here with this nonsense and tell these people that are looking for hope there isnt any!!! there is hope alot of it D/R CAN NOT SURVIVE WITHOUT ANXIETY this is a fact!!! therapy doesnt help you come to terms with D/R it helps you find the very thing that is causing your anxiety you have to remember that anxiety is normal we deal with it all our lives i mean when you go through this and start to understand the things that make you anxeious then you start to realise that you have had this many times in your life but it went away, and it will again!! Please dont come to terms with he D/R come to terms that there is nothing wrong with you only ANXIETY remember it usually lives in your sub concience and you dont even realise your thinking about it your mind may have forgotten it!! the people around you dont see whats in your head they see your exterior and no one that has these disorders shows any signs of maddness its all in there heads people will think your happy and go lucky its you that feels out of place and thats what you have to work on. So there is some thing truly effective it called self discovery and it works every time with out fail by the simple fact that you have said the things you have tells me that you havent come to terms with this disorder, so you will never rid yourself of it until you do. if you disagree you are givin in to it and if you wrie back and put another disagreeing spin on it then you have shown that your losing your battle whether you can live with it or not your still letting it affect you!! IT IS JUST A BLUFF IT WILL GO AWAY WHEN YOU FIND OUT WHAT BOUGHT IT ON!!!! I actually think you should look into the fact that you might have somatoform disorder its highly likely that you do by what you have said. Hang in there it curible with out any drugs or anything but good strong thoughts!
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panman last decade
It's one thing to be poorly informed but it's another to demonstrate complete ignorance. No such thing as Primary DP disorder and Secondary DP,that's why trained professionals identified 204 cases in a recent study. Oh so embarrassing that one could come on a board and say such a thing without getting their facts right to begin with. Pleas refer to the articles at the end of the page (I suspect you may not understand the difference between primary and secondary, e.g. you can still have anxiety and be diagnosed as primary. Please refer to the ICD or DSM-IV diagnostic manual for mental disorders). If you need to subscribe to an online journal to see them, do so because you need to understand the literature.
So I come to this posting board and share personal experiences and the facts of the professionals; the trained Psychiatrists who have gone to school for many years and done the research into this disorder, they have interviewed the patients and they treat persons with DP to this very day. Yet their facts are wrong? For reading into this disorder and doing my research (not just listening to some unqualified therapist as some obviously have) I've got it so wrong? Ironic
Firstly may I ask, what is the purpose of this board? It is to share information about homeopathic approaches to solving problems. This point has been completely missed. The very nature of my posting; to find out about homeopathic approaches has been manipulated into a proposition that I have come here to take away hope? Please refer to previous posts if you missed the point.
Some Facts (remember facts speak for themselves, not misleading, incomplete info):
Just as there is the homeopathic approach, there is the Psychoanalytical approach (the assertion there is some traumatic event buried deep down in the sub conscious, that must be explored), the Cognitive approach (just get on with it, you tell DP what to do, not it tell you), the medical approach (take an SSRI, Anticonvulsant, mood stabiliser etc.), the medical approach centres on some sort of dysregulation in brain chemistry, in other words a pathophysiological approach. Then there is the endocrinology approach (this one is theoretical and attempts to explain DP through the HPA-axis, more research is needed)
Can you see the key point here; these are all approaches and rationales to try to explain DP? One works for some, and others work some. Its the pattern of the illness that is unique to the individual and the avenue that will yield greatest results may be aligned to this very fact. So where do you get off saying I'm taking away hope?? Excuse me, but you're the one asserting that, only the psychoanalytical approach works. Yet obviously it's not, the only avenue, as many have achieved relief through the other approaches, yes? This same point is backed up by the research undertaken by the professionals. A professional you're not. Read the facts.
You assert that it's only present in individuals with anxiety. Obviously one hasn't read the literature, or they would be aware of the differing patterns to the illness. On one hand some have a pattern consistent with anxiety (I do not deny this), others have a strong history of Depression, some have physical underlying neurological illness (epilepsy, migraine and MS), some say drug induced and up to 70% of mental hospital in-patients have DP symptoms. Anxiety is one of the triggers, but evidence clearly shows that people can be affected by having other triggers, schizophrenia and Depression included. Yes I may be academically inclined but Please read the facts.
I'm not here to say don't use the Psycho approach just that, if you try it and it doesn't work try something else. To assert that the Psycho approach is the only solution is to assert you know the exact cause of the DP which is silly, because there has been so little research done and not even the professionals are sure as to which approach best explains it. One thing is everyone is unique and responds to different things.
Give people hope by letting them know about the different approaches. Then let the individual decide.
Go to the sources at the end of my post and read the facts from those who do the research, who have interviewed the hundreds, then come back and talk about facts. Come back and understand that there are different approaches, you need to find what works best for you!
Oh and there is a clear difference between actually being diagnosed with the disorder and just having symptoms. Please read facts.
No such thing as Primary DP:
Sachdev, P. (2002) CitalopramClonazepam combination for primary depersonalization disorder: a case report. Australia and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 36, 424425.
For more information on DP from professionals please refer to:
Understanding and treating depersonalisation disorder Nick Medford, Mauricio Sierra, Dawn Baker and Anthony S. David
Please note the key word 'disorder'. There are specific requirements before one is diagnosed as having the disorder.
P.S. take the info to your therapist.
So I come to this posting board and share personal experiences and the facts of the professionals; the trained Psychiatrists who have gone to school for many years and done the research into this disorder, they have interviewed the patients and they treat persons with DP to this very day. Yet their facts are wrong? For reading into this disorder and doing my research (not just listening to some unqualified therapist as some obviously have) I've got it so wrong? Ironic
Firstly may I ask, what is the purpose of this board? It is to share information about homeopathic approaches to solving problems. This point has been completely missed. The very nature of my posting; to find out about homeopathic approaches has been manipulated into a proposition that I have come here to take away hope? Please refer to previous posts if you missed the point.
Some Facts (remember facts speak for themselves, not misleading, incomplete info):
Just as there is the homeopathic approach, there is the Psychoanalytical approach (the assertion there is some traumatic event buried deep down in the sub conscious, that must be explored), the Cognitive approach (just get on with it, you tell DP what to do, not it tell you), the medical approach (take an SSRI, Anticonvulsant, mood stabiliser etc.), the medical approach centres on some sort of dysregulation in brain chemistry, in other words a pathophysiological approach. Then there is the endocrinology approach (this one is theoretical and attempts to explain DP through the HPA-axis, more research is needed)
Can you see the key point here; these are all approaches and rationales to try to explain DP? One works for some, and others work some. Its the pattern of the illness that is unique to the individual and the avenue that will yield greatest results may be aligned to this very fact. So where do you get off saying I'm taking away hope?? Excuse me, but you're the one asserting that, only the psychoanalytical approach works. Yet obviously it's not, the only avenue, as many have achieved relief through the other approaches, yes? This same point is backed up by the research undertaken by the professionals. A professional you're not. Read the facts.
You assert that it's only present in individuals with anxiety. Obviously one hasn't read the literature, or they would be aware of the differing patterns to the illness. On one hand some have a pattern consistent with anxiety (I do not deny this), others have a strong history of Depression, some have physical underlying neurological illness (epilepsy, migraine and MS), some say drug induced and up to 70% of mental hospital in-patients have DP symptoms. Anxiety is one of the triggers, but evidence clearly shows that people can be affected by having other triggers, schizophrenia and Depression included. Yes I may be academically inclined but Please read the facts.
I'm not here to say don't use the Psycho approach just that, if you try it and it doesn't work try something else. To assert that the Psycho approach is the only solution is to assert you know the exact cause of the DP which is silly, because there has been so little research done and not even the professionals are sure as to which approach best explains it. One thing is everyone is unique and responds to different things.
Give people hope by letting them know about the different approaches. Then let the individual decide.
Go to the sources at the end of my post and read the facts from those who do the research, who have interviewed the hundreds, then come back and talk about facts. Come back and understand that there are different approaches, you need to find what works best for you!
Oh and there is a clear difference between actually being diagnosed with the disorder and just having symptoms. Please read facts.
No such thing as Primary DP:
Sachdev, P. (2002) CitalopramClonazepam combination for primary depersonalization disorder: a case report. Australia and New Zealand Journal of Psychiatry, 36, 424425.
For more information on DP from professionals please refer to:
Understanding and treating depersonalisation disorder Nick Medford, Mauricio Sierra, Dawn Baker and Anthony S. David
Please note the key word 'disorder'. There are specific requirements before one is diagnosed as having the disorder.
P.S. take the info to your therapist.
jono11 last decade
Oh and second. You say go for another 10 years???
I'll tell you what, when you reach 11 years and your DP takes another turn for worse just after you thought you'd got a grip on it, you then come back and tell me if you want to go for another 10 years.
Yes, you get on, you try but after a while it will come back to haunt you. Yes it will and when it does, you'll know what I mean.
That's why I assert that urgent research is needed into effective means of treating the disorder, I don't know if you have the disorder or just symptoms, but I have the disorder.
Even the researchers in the field are stressing that new treatments must be discovered. So I'm obviously not the only one.
- insulting...
I'll tell you what, when you reach 11 years and your DP takes another turn for worse just after you thought you'd got a grip on it, you then come back and tell me if you want to go for another 10 years.
Yes, you get on, you try but after a while it will come back to haunt you. Yes it will and when it does, you'll know what I mean.
That's why I assert that urgent research is needed into effective means of treating the disorder, I don't know if you have the disorder or just symptoms, but I have the disorder.
Even the researchers in the field are stressing that new treatments must be discovered. So I'm obviously not the only one.
- insulting...
jono11 last decade
On the topic of homeopathy and 'weed' I think immediately of lectinology. this is the study of chemicals that are in plants which defend the plants from animal ingestion. Simply stated, the lectins, say on a tomato plant make a preditor animal sick over time (its a secondary metabolite, not a primary allergen), so those little animals learn quickly to stop eating the plants!
Many people to do not have strong immune systems respond to lectin ingention with chronic problems. Many people have no idea why they are exhausted, have muddled thinking, depression, 'non-emotive, non-thinking', and digestive ailments, particularly gall bladder issues.
Frequently found offernders: potato, tomato, pepper and eggplant. Grains, esp wheat, grapes, alcohol. Peanuts, beans and their oils. Dairy, Drugs, tree nuts (mold issues).
Why cannibis could be included in this list? Its a weed, could have secondary metabolism/lectin issues, maybe some molds or fungi included...
Not all these listed things cause problems. Its often isolated down to one, like corn, or grapes, or a drug, which in truth is usually a secondary metabolite...
Very diffuse chronic stuff, and most docs dont know anything about this.
We use a 3 mode approach with homeopathic remedies for SMS (secondary metabolism syndrome)
1-attack the poisons. use allergy and emergency response formulas
2-support the liver. Prefer liquid liver support, drop into a liter of water, drink 2-3 liters of the water each day.
3-support stomach/pancreas/spleen (earth meridian) and proteolytic enzymes...
Usually takes 4-12 weeks. may need refresher doses from time to time.
Try to never re-introduce the offender, whether it be cannibis, or a tomato! Also, no grapefruit juice during detox of liver. Is naringenin slows down Phase 1 detox...
Hope that helps...
Many people to do not have strong immune systems respond to lectin ingention with chronic problems. Many people have no idea why they are exhausted, have muddled thinking, depression, 'non-emotive, non-thinking', and digestive ailments, particularly gall bladder issues.
Frequently found offernders: potato, tomato, pepper and eggplant. Grains, esp wheat, grapes, alcohol. Peanuts, beans and their oils. Dairy, Drugs, tree nuts (mold issues).
Why cannibis could be included in this list? Its a weed, could have secondary metabolism/lectin issues, maybe some molds or fungi included...
Not all these listed things cause problems. Its often isolated down to one, like corn, or grapes, or a drug, which in truth is usually a secondary metabolite...
Very diffuse chronic stuff, and most docs dont know anything about this.
We use a 3 mode approach with homeopathic remedies for SMS (secondary metabolism syndrome)
1-attack the poisons. use allergy and emergency response formulas
2-support the liver. Prefer liquid liver support, drop into a liter of water, drink 2-3 liters of the water each day.
3-support stomach/pancreas/spleen (earth meridian) and proteolytic enzymes...
Usually takes 4-12 weeks. may need refresher doses from time to time.
Try to never re-introduce the offender, whether it be cannibis, or a tomato! Also, no grapefruit juice during detox of liver. Is naringenin slows down Phase 1 detox...
Hope that helps...
Dr Mom last decade
john mate you have just proved why you may find a cure for your 'disorder' hehehe it is what you say it is!! You have showed that you are the sort of person that goes through the whole internet and every book to explain everything that happens to you and you have to have the answer to everything that happens to you am i right i bet i am??
now i know you will come back with some big words and some info you have pulled off the internet and throw it at me and you will probably feel better when you do so what ever works for you you should go with it. some things in life like D/R are not explainable dont look for an explaination look for the reasons why you need an explaination maybe your a control freak (just between you and me i think you are) and maybe you are so scared of this thing D/R that you feel better when you call it a 'disorder' which means 'illness' which in turn means 'Poor health resulting from disease of body or mind; sickness.' if you honestly believe it is a 'disorder' than you go with that.
the people that you have got your info from are the same people that write the books for the trained therorpists that we see!!!! the only way they can explain it is by calling it a 'disorder' or it wouldnt be worth explaining in the first place????
i know you have some great things to reasearch or look for and put into text or at the very least something extremely bright and intelligent to say and i must say you seem to very very very smart hehehe and it kinda impresses me hehehe so i wait to hear back. Thank you for opening my eyes to the sort of person i am without reading what you just wrote and the way in which you wrote it i would never had understood why this happened to me now i know i am a control freak to i just need to take a step back and let go a little and let what ever life throws at me make me stronger and not feel the need to have an answer for everything thanks john god bless you i think i might go and live a little now and stop reading these silly things and having an answer for everything just deal with it as if it was a bully at school ignore it i know it will have its fun and then it will go away because it will get bored when i dont react.
and thanks for wishing it on me to come back at a later day i hope it does cause by then i will have learnt how to master it and i will beat it again there are people dying of cancer and aids and other harder things to live with than whats happening to me at least people dont die from D/R and anxiety so i got plenty of time to enjoy myself for another 50 years..... at least!!!!! thanks again john!!!
now i know you will come back with some big words and some info you have pulled off the internet and throw it at me and you will probably feel better when you do so what ever works for you you should go with it. some things in life like D/R are not explainable dont look for an explaination look for the reasons why you need an explaination maybe your a control freak (just between you and me i think you are) and maybe you are so scared of this thing D/R that you feel better when you call it a 'disorder' which means 'illness' which in turn means 'Poor health resulting from disease of body or mind; sickness.' if you honestly believe it is a 'disorder' than you go with that.
the people that you have got your info from are the same people that write the books for the trained therorpists that we see!!!! the only way they can explain it is by calling it a 'disorder' or it wouldnt be worth explaining in the first place????
i know you have some great things to reasearch or look for and put into text or at the very least something extremely bright and intelligent to say and i must say you seem to very very very smart hehehe and it kinda impresses me hehehe so i wait to hear back. Thank you for opening my eyes to the sort of person i am without reading what you just wrote and the way in which you wrote it i would never had understood why this happened to me now i know i am a control freak to i just need to take a step back and let go a little and let what ever life throws at me make me stronger and not feel the need to have an answer for everything thanks john god bless you i think i might go and live a little now and stop reading these silly things and having an answer for everything just deal with it as if it was a bully at school ignore it i know it will have its fun and then it will go away because it will get bored when i dont react.
and thanks for wishing it on me to come back at a later day i hope it does cause by then i will have learnt how to master it and i will beat it again there are people dying of cancer and aids and other harder things to live with than whats happening to me at least people dont die from D/R and anxiety so i got plenty of time to enjoy myself for another 50 years..... at least!!!!! thanks again john!!!
panman last decade
Panman
You're a gentleman. It takes a lot to admit you got things wrong and that from now you'll be more sensitive to the poor people out there who experience an illness differently than you do. I trust you've now seen tha
You're a gentleman. It takes a lot to admit you got things wrong and that from now you'll be more sensitive to the poor people out there who experience an illness differently than you do. I trust you've now seen tha
jono11 last decade
I trust you've now seen the evidence showine g people just like myself who report no anxiety and depression.
Just if more people in this world were like you so accepting and ready to change your views once you've been informed.
Congrats and welcome to maturity, you finally made it.
Just if more people in this world were like you so accepting and ready to change your views once you've been informed.
Congrats and welcome to maturity, you finally made it.
jono11 last decade
I highly doubt marijuana has something to do with this.
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Akuta last decade
ok people, i am so glad i found some relief, cause i thought i was stuck in my own little world.
heres my situatin i was diagnosed with panick attacks back in 1996 i have beeen taking a combination of klonopin with either buspar, effexor, zoloft or paxil not for 10+ years. i am currently just taking the klonopine, but i think its losing it effect. i have been have these huge derealization symptoms, and my first question is why all the sudden when i on a med. to prevent them and 2nd, what triggers them?? i know for sure if i go to walmart or local grocery storey i am almost floating cause of the lights. the hard part is describing this to doctors. can you can function but nobody really knows what your going through but you. i play ice hockey and under those bright lights i am so far in left field and the rink seems to be 8 miles wide at times, but the weird part is i come out of the derealization after an hour so with a headache. so i am real curious about these andif this stuff goes away. and how to do deal with it. i have no motivation, i really dont want to hear anybody talking and if i had my chose i would stay home 7 days a week. so if anybody has some helpful techniques please email me. cause i am so curious. the people i am hurting the most are my wife and child, cause i am not myself at all, and i dont really want to do anything beside be home watching t.v. then to bed.
my only real remedy is drinking to be honest, when i am half drunk i feel the best and thats a shame. but drinking i guess calms you and makes you forget. but please email me cause i want to talk about this with someone who is experiencing the same things. i am 33 years old and this has been as issue since i was about 21 . i had it under control and was having fun, doing things, getting out, but no i am stuff in a ditch somewhere. am i depressed?? i dont know but i know the derealization sends me into some serious anxiety attacks and makes me want to leave alot of public functions.
3 months ago i was the life of the party, i was playing sports and having fun. now i am thinking of ways to avoid going, and liek i said most of all i am not myself and people ask me at work at times you have a rough night?? hell no i am going through derealization , followed by panick attacks and headache. i want to be down on earth but i on the cloud over the building right now.
well anyways please email me wiht your solutions and i hope we can talk, cause this is a scare thing. if it does go away, what makes it go away. and once you get it or it happens to you, what makes it happen to you. it is a anxiety issue or depression, i dont know. i hate it and it is controlling my life at many times.
please shoot me back your advice i would love to talk!!
dj
heres my situatin i was diagnosed with panick attacks back in 1996 i have beeen taking a combination of klonopin with either buspar, effexor, zoloft or paxil not for 10+ years. i am currently just taking the klonopine, but i think its losing it effect. i have been have these huge derealization symptoms, and my first question is why all the sudden when i on a med. to prevent them and 2nd, what triggers them?? i know for sure if i go to walmart or local grocery storey i am almost floating cause of the lights. the hard part is describing this to doctors. can you can function but nobody really knows what your going through but you. i play ice hockey and under those bright lights i am so far in left field and the rink seems to be 8 miles wide at times, but the weird part is i come out of the derealization after an hour so with a headache. so i am real curious about these andif this stuff goes away. and how to do deal with it. i have no motivation, i really dont want to hear anybody talking and if i had my chose i would stay home 7 days a week. so if anybody has some helpful techniques please email me. cause i am so curious. the people i am hurting the most are my wife and child, cause i am not myself at all, and i dont really want to do anything beside be home watching t.v. then to bed.
my only real remedy is drinking to be honest, when i am half drunk i feel the best and thats a shame. but drinking i guess calms you and makes you forget. but please email me cause i want to talk about this with someone who is experiencing the same things. i am 33 years old and this has been as issue since i was about 21 . i had it under control and was having fun, doing things, getting out, but no i am stuff in a ditch somewhere. am i depressed?? i dont know but i know the derealization sends me into some serious anxiety attacks and makes me want to leave alot of public functions.
3 months ago i was the life of the party, i was playing sports and having fun. now i am thinking of ways to avoid going, and liek i said most of all i am not myself and people ask me at work at times you have a rough night?? hell no i am going through derealization , followed by panick attacks and headache. i want to be down on earth but i on the cloud over the building right now.
well anyways please email me wiht your solutions and i hope we can talk, cause this is a scare thing. if it does go away, what makes it go away. and once you get it or it happens to you, what makes it happen to you. it is a anxiety issue or depression, i dont know. i hate it and it is controlling my life at many times.
please shoot me back your advice i would love to talk!!
dj
skillz25 last decade
I'm gonna have to agree to disagree.THE feelings of derealization can be brought on by several different illnesses or sitiuation yea the primary cause of the phenomina is anxiety but it is posible that anxiety could be a side effect from it. thc it cause's hallucination/derealization which in turn could send you into a panic attack.there are several drug induced related case's on this subject.Also every single person is different some of you people can drink alchohol i cannot.Also ad that it can be a coping mechinism as the pysc's call it.And every bit of help you can get is great im gonna have to slightly disagree with the drug/rx treatment ive been on meds since i was 6 or 7 year's old currently on benzodiazapines and ssri geuss what after takeing the benzo's for an extended period of time your body build's an immunity to the or a tolerance and they can give you the adverse side effect of more anxiety on top of several other condition's some of this im saying is not read it's from experience so as a suffer'er to another suffer'er it should be classified as a disorder if it wasnot a disorder/illness why would there be medication for something that doesnt exist?Not talking about placebo';s narcotics are not placebo';s and before you have a reason for the meds if they where made for other conditions they sure work mighty fine for some of us.the only downfall is your treating the symptoms not the cause
strick9 last decade
DJ see if your condition is acute migrians acute migrains will send you into a disoriented state and haveing headaches afterward's sends up a red flag for that condition it comes with anxiety and most people dont feel the pain while having one strange but true
strick9 last decade
strick9
so give me your advice on today. i have been taking zoloft and klonopin but i was way to tired and gettting headacheds so dr. said no more zoloft.
so i have been afraid to go in public because of the anxiety and the derealization i am facing, but i tried to be strong and overcome this. well anyways i went today to simply ref a flag football game cause i am a true athlete. anyways then entire time there i was sweating alot, derealizating, not myself at all and my only thought was to get the hell out of there quickly. i watched the clocked continously. i hate this because 3 months ago i was the life of the party,hanging out, going to friends houses, concerts you name it i was there. now i run from everything. my friend invited me to watch some football made a bunch of stuff up so i didnt go. wife wanted me to go to store, i refused, cause i only feel okay at home, right now?? what is this. my dr. seems to think it is anxiety and depression is that true.
anyways after football, i felt like crap , rushed home and lied down. took 25mg of zoloft which seemed to help me out even though i am suppose to be off it. pleasee help , i want my life back, badly.
dj
so give me your advice on today. i have been taking zoloft and klonopin but i was way to tired and gettting headacheds so dr. said no more zoloft.
so i have been afraid to go in public because of the anxiety and the derealization i am facing, but i tried to be strong and overcome this. well anyways i went today to simply ref a flag football game cause i am a true athlete. anyways then entire time there i was sweating alot, derealizating, not myself at all and my only thought was to get the hell out of there quickly. i watched the clocked continously. i hate this because 3 months ago i was the life of the party,hanging out, going to friends houses, concerts you name it i was there. now i run from everything. my friend invited me to watch some football made a bunch of stuff up so i didnt go. wife wanted me to go to store, i refused, cause i only feel okay at home, right now?? what is this. my dr. seems to think it is anxiety and depression is that true.
anyways after football, i felt like crap , rushed home and lied down. took 25mg of zoloft which seemed to help me out even though i am suppose to be off it. pleasee help , i want my life back, badly.
dj
skillz25 last decade
well for starter's if your doc told you to get offthe zoloft dont take it anymore but you should have gradually reduced your dosage.The thing about ssri is they take a longer period of time to take effect on the system so taking 25mg was probly mostly mental.Unless you just stopped takeing them ubruptly then it would have made a differance.Your kolonopin is a fast acting med its an on the spot relief from an attack probly works in 30 mins or so if it's a benzo not sure.But alot of the problem would be your thinking pattern you cant see it but it's there if you can be comfortable or more anxiety free at your home you should be able to do it away from your home correct?the only point i argue is if our body take's a mind of it's on to where we have problems controling our emotional balance then i would classify that as a disorder because i know i dont like feeling this way and noone else here doe's either im sure but with all the research ive done it's helped alot lay off caffine dont smoke dont drink and learn breathing techniques and do the research on your meds side effects and what not i went full blown agoriphobic on xanax 4mg a day it's an as needed med. my doc had me on them 1mg tablets 4x a day my new doc told me to ween myself off of them and get as low as possible a dose i can get to im now on 1mg a day it took alot to get to that point but im getting there so i can be totaly free of them but the down side is i was placed on zoloft again my self at 100mg a day so now i have to deal with the withdrwal effects of it to when i feel im ready to try and come off them the thing is signs and symtoms of anxiety or depression can be caused by things other than the thought process it's a chemical imbalance at the time of an attack and depression doesnt mean you have to be sad you can have racing thoughts and many other symtoms other than emotionless or sad it can be the exact opposite in fact. the best advice is dont just tell your doc about the symptoms be sure and log you conditions and where you were and as much info as you can collect at the time of the feelings of gad,dp,or any other problems if you go to the doc saying i freaked out they most likely will just give you meds to tide you over untill they stop working or our liver falls out but your doc is as only as good as the info you provide they cant read our mind you get what im saying.your doing research so your looking for an answer there is one but it is different in every case and only you can define you.people can only point out what you dont notice florescent lights bother you to i bet?
strick9 last decade
also the florecent light s are because of the added stress of being in a situation you feel if you loose control you wont be able to escape.and they work differently than condecent they dont place hard shadows on the surroundings that plays with the pysc alittle more even in the doctors office try wearing sunglasses it helps me but dont avoid sitiuations your an athelete see it as a challange breath and just go with it
strick9 last decade
I suffer from derealization, it's killing me. I recently found this site derealizationhelp. com (can't post link) and I want to know if anyone has tried it??? I am looking for any way out.
SvetlanaLub last decade
I am 34 and live with this. IT WILL GET BETTER! Started with bad drug high when I was 16. Thought I was in a dream for several months. This was before the internet and thought I was alone and no psyc could understand or help me. Basically the same story as so many here. First episode lasted about 6 months. I was so scared and disassociated I could barely function. Eventually you become unwound and begin to heal. But you will forever live with it buried in the back of your brain just like any normal person who goes through a trauma gets a deep fear of a repeat. It will become simply an annoyance and something you deal with when it flares up like any old injury. I had another episode when in college that was not so serve, but lasted about a year. I knew the second time that it would be a lifetime 'problem' but also had the confidence it would get better and because of that it was less scary! I have all the symptoms, fluorescent lights, stress, being lost, long vacations or things that upset my routine can give me a touch of it lasting from a few min to several days depending on how I deal with it. All very minor compared to the first attacks when I was young. I had one major flare up at around 26 that lasted about 6 months and was not near as serve. More aggravating than horrible and traumatic like the first very scary episodes. Coming out of the cycle of thought was made much easier by trying and using effexor. Paxil and several others did not work.
I have been having a bit of it this week so here I am. YOU WILL GET BETTER but it will be something you deal with at times. As you battle it, it become less scary and more like 'darn, here it comes again...this is not what I need to deal with this week.' Where before it was 'am I crazy..I cant live like this...am I in a dream, I am so scared I can not even eat, will I ever be normal again'
Minor things like being under fluorescent lights can remind me of that unreality feeling. Just leave the room and try to do something to occupy your mind and it will pass. But Major stresses in your life that you cant escape will be hard for you, but you learn to deal with it and control it. And most importantly these feelings will become less scary! And not fearing it is the key to rising above it!
It has effected my life for sure. I have chosen a life of low stress. No long trips, and try to avoid uncomfortable things that can bring stress. I even avoided marriage and staring a family a little because I feared the major change in life could brig up those feelings. I have a great wife and family now but I struggled a bit with the changes at first.
You know what...everyone has crap they deal with, some people get depressed, some drink, some were abused and have fears that effect their life. You are dealing with this. It's pretty minor!
The root of the disorder is the 'fear of the fear' Once you get used to it, it becomes less scary and therefore less of your time is spent thinking about it and the cycle is more or less broken. Much like when you 'are in it' and when you wake up and feel normal for a moment before the feelings take over. They loose their power and just become a nuscence.
Tell yourself how lucky you are that you have your health, it will pass and go do something to keep your mind off it. I found motorcycle rides where your mind is so focused for the entire ride help allot. Give your mind a chance to calm down and helps break the cycle. Any very focused activity should work. I will be happy to email with someone going through this as I remember how HORRIBLE it was and the terror I went through. I am not '100% cured' and it has effected my life a bit, but we are who we are because of where we have been and deal with our baggage and it is a minor part of my life now, and it is a wonderful life! It will get better and you will learn to deal with it.......I imagine some may even 100% be rid of it..I promise it will get better!
I have been having a bit of it this week so here I am. YOU WILL GET BETTER but it will be something you deal with at times. As you battle it, it become less scary and more like 'darn, here it comes again...this is not what I need to deal with this week.' Where before it was 'am I crazy..I cant live like this...am I in a dream, I am so scared I can not even eat, will I ever be normal again'
Minor things like being under fluorescent lights can remind me of that unreality feeling. Just leave the room and try to do something to occupy your mind and it will pass. But Major stresses in your life that you cant escape will be hard for you, but you learn to deal with it and control it. And most importantly these feelings will become less scary! And not fearing it is the key to rising above it!
It has effected my life for sure. I have chosen a life of low stress. No long trips, and try to avoid uncomfortable things that can bring stress. I even avoided marriage and staring a family a little because I feared the major change in life could brig up those feelings. I have a great wife and family now but I struggled a bit with the changes at first.
You know what...everyone has crap they deal with, some people get depressed, some drink, some were abused and have fears that effect their life. You are dealing with this. It's pretty minor!
The root of the disorder is the 'fear of the fear' Once you get used to it, it becomes less scary and therefore less of your time is spent thinking about it and the cycle is more or less broken. Much like when you 'are in it' and when you wake up and feel normal for a moment before the feelings take over. They loose their power and just become a nuscence.
Tell yourself how lucky you are that you have your health, it will pass and go do something to keep your mind off it. I found motorcycle rides where your mind is so focused for the entire ride help allot. Give your mind a chance to calm down and helps break the cycle. Any very focused activity should work. I will be happy to email with someone going through this as I remember how HORRIBLE it was and the terror I went through. I am not '100% cured' and it has effected my life a bit, but we are who we are because of where we have been and deal with our baggage and it is a minor part of my life now, and it is a wonderful life! It will get better and you will learn to deal with it.......I imagine some may even 100% be rid of it..I promise it will get better!
jrejej last decade
wow i saw this-happened after smoking pot i had panic attack from the devil i prayed to god and confessed sins it was weird that i did that because hadnt beeen to church in years still weird sometimes but vitamins st johns wort tons of prayers and fish oil helped. this verse 'God has not given us the spirit of fear but of power love and sound mind
autumno last decade
Hi!
is there any way i can get gerigurl14's screen name or email?
My name is Ali and I am 16 aswell. I feel like I relate to every single thing you said and I could use some support, i feel helpless. Please Respond! Thank you:)
is there any way i can get gerigurl14's screen name or email?
My name is Ali and I am 16 aswell. I feel like I relate to every single thing you said and I could use some support, i feel helpless. Please Respond! Thank you:)
alya48 last decade
A Bach Flower Remedy practitioner might have some suggestions for overcoming feelings of depersonalization.
Mr Ed last decade
I go throught every day miserablly and I'm starting to lose hope. I am a 16 year old girl who has been living with de realization for about 6-8 months now. I have had heavy OCD and anxiety all my life but nothing like this. I over-anylyze everything leading me to this place now. I go through life now questioning the reality of my exisitence. This leaves the posing question, is the world real, or is everythin including the world just an illusion? The answer to this I will never know and it makes me feel so alone. I spend my days feeling light headed and nangry because I want to be my old self . Besides the lightheadedness, i feel like I'm walking in a bubble almost, feel presure in my head, i feel like part of my brain has shut off, Sometimes certain parts of my body look smaller, I have felt detached etc. I have never been through anything so horrible in my life and pray I will come through it. I feel disasociated from people and life and it really makes me upset. I have spent so much time thinking I am crazy, and that no one feels the same way I do. This support group thing is great knowing that other people feel the same as me and that there is a term for what I'm feeling. Please give me your responses, help me please I'm only 16 even though it's hard no matter how old you are. Please share your experiences, or how to cure de realization or treat/help it. Thank you so much for reading this I love you all because I know what you are going through. Together, maybe we can beat this thing! Thanks
alya48 last decade
I go throught every day miserablly and I'm starting to lose hope. I am a 16 year old girl who has been living with de realization for about 6-8 months now. I have had heavy OCD and anxiety all my life but nothing like this. I over-anylyze everything leading me to this place now. I go through life now questioning the reality of my exisitence. This leaves the posing question, is the world real, or is everythin including the world just an illusion? The answer to this I will never know and it makes me feel so alone. I spend my days feeling light headed and nangry because I want to be my old self . Besides the lightheadedness, i feel like I'm walking in a bubble almost, feel presure in my head, i feel like part of my brain has shut off, Sometimes certain parts of my body look smaller, I have felt detached etc. I have never been through anything so horrible in my life and pray I will come through it. I feel disasociated from people and life and it really makes me upset. I have spent so much time thinking I am crazy, and that no one feels the same way I do. This support group thing is great knowing that other people feel the same as me and that there is a term for what I'm feeling. Please give me your responses, help me please I'm only 16 even though it's hard no matter how old you are. Please share your experiences, or how to cure de realization or treat/help it. Thank you so much for reading this I love you all because I know what you are going through. Together, maybe we can beat this thing! Thanks:)
alya48 last decade
I go throught every day miserablly and I'm starting to lose hope. I am a 16 year old girl who has been living with de realization for about 6-8 months now. I have had heavy OCD and anxiety all my life but nothing like this. I over-anylyze everything leading me to this place now. I go through life now questioning the reality of my exisitence. This leaves the posing question, is the world real, or is everythin including the world just an illusion? The answer to this I will never know and it makes me feel so alone. I spend my days feeling light headed and nangry because I want to be my old self . Besides the lightheadedness, i feel like I'm walking in a bubble almost, feel presure in my head, i feel like part of my brain has shut off, Sometimes certain parts of my body look smaller, I have felt detached etc. I have never been through anything so horrible in my life and pray I will come through it. I feel disasociated from people and life and it really makes me upset. I have spent so much time thinking I am crazy, and that no one feels the same way I do. This support group thing is great knowing that other people feel the same as me and that there is a term for what I'm feeling. Please give me your responses, help me please I'm only 16 even though it's hard no matter how old you are. Please share your experiences, or how to cure de realization or treat/help it. Thank you so much for reading this I love you all because I know what you are going through. Together, maybe we can beat this thing! Thanks:)
alya48 last decade
i'm only a 16 year old girl too and ive had it for about a year and a half. ive posted on here before but it was a few months ago when i last posted. derealization is VERY hard to ignore but sometimes that's what you have to do.
patrickeatspants last decade
Hello everyone!
I was able to help several people personally with deralization (DR). I will just provide some information which may help you understand your own condition, which will enable you to deal with it for good.
Fist of all, to those who have taken antidepressants, marijuana, some sort of psychedelics, you may have experienced a feeling which is similar to DR. This is normal, and is a natural response to severe mental strain. This is absolutely NOT an indication of any mental disorder. On the contrary, you are functioning very well.
Episodes of DR also often happen in response to prolonged stress, OCD, lack of sleep and other mentally-straining factors or activities. Again, it's a normal response. Physiologically normal, but to our mind it's so weird that we just think we've gone nuts. You WISH! If you were, you most likely wouldn't know about it, plus you'd have a LOT more fun doing crazy sh##! :)
What some describe as decade-long DR is in MOST cases DR resulting from self-perpetuating anxiety or panic disorder. Approximately 21% of Americans suffer from these two disorders in a given year (source: nih.gov), and DR is a very common symptom. One of the problems with anxiety disorders is that having an attack (such as a DR episode) causes fear of the following attack, which creates anxiety again.
The only way to break this cycle is to understand that your anxiety is unfounded -- you are only afraid of it. So why are you so afraid? DR is there to help you with anxiety or panic, not to hurt you, and it's an indication that your response is perfectly normal! Yeah, I know I know -- easier said than done :)
Moving on, DR is very common, with a lifetime prevalence of 26% to 74% and as high as 31% to 66% during a traumatic event (See Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology Volume 39, Number 1 / January, 2004). Normal people get it too, I've asked around :) So you aren't alone there.
One thing to remember is that DR is not a disorder in itself. It can be a symptom of different disorders. It can also be a side effect of stress, lack of sleep or (as mentioned above) using drugs, and in these scenarios it just passes by.
This is more of a disclaimer, but if you've had (or suspect that you had) some serious mental disorder (bipolar/schizophrenia etc) or physical brain trauma in the past (before DR), you definitely should go to a clinic to get looked at! Of course, don't expect the doctor to diagnose DR, it's not a disorder.
Thanks, wish you all feel better soon
If anyone would like to contact me, please see my profile.
I was able to help several people personally with deralization (DR). I will just provide some information which may help you understand your own condition, which will enable you to deal with it for good.
Fist of all, to those who have taken antidepressants, marijuana, some sort of psychedelics, you may have experienced a feeling which is similar to DR. This is normal, and is a natural response to severe mental strain. This is absolutely NOT an indication of any mental disorder. On the contrary, you are functioning very well.
Episodes of DR also often happen in response to prolonged stress, OCD, lack of sleep and other mentally-straining factors or activities. Again, it's a normal response. Physiologically normal, but to our mind it's so weird that we just think we've gone nuts. You WISH! If you were, you most likely wouldn't know about it, plus you'd have a LOT more fun doing crazy sh##! :)
What some describe as decade-long DR is in MOST cases DR resulting from self-perpetuating anxiety or panic disorder. Approximately 21% of Americans suffer from these two disorders in a given year (source: nih.gov), and DR is a very common symptom. One of the problems with anxiety disorders is that having an attack (such as a DR episode) causes fear of the following attack, which creates anxiety again.
The only way to break this cycle is to understand that your anxiety is unfounded -- you are only afraid of it. So why are you so afraid? DR is there to help you with anxiety or panic, not to hurt you, and it's an indication that your response is perfectly normal! Yeah, I know I know -- easier said than done :)
Moving on, DR is very common, with a lifetime prevalence of 26% to 74% and as high as 31% to 66% during a traumatic event (See Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology Volume 39, Number 1 / January, 2004). Normal people get it too, I've asked around :) So you aren't alone there.
One thing to remember is that DR is not a disorder in itself. It can be a symptom of different disorders. It can also be a side effect of stress, lack of sleep or (as mentioned above) using drugs, and in these scenarios it just passes by.
This is more of a disclaimer, but if you've had (or suspect that you had) some serious mental disorder (bipolar/schizophrenia etc) or physical brain trauma in the past (before DR), you definitely should go to a clinic to get looked at! Of course, don't expect the doctor to diagnose DR, it's not a disorder.
Thanks, wish you all feel better soon
If anyone would like to contact me, please see my profile.
beoeoeo last decade
it started first when I smoked marijuana with my friends. after a few hours they were fine but i still suffer. its been 4 years now.. i feel as if im watching myself from a distance. my consciousness is observing my body's actions and all other things around me. when people talk to me or when I talk to them the voices repeat or kind of echos in my head... the weird thing is that im still fully capable of doing things like talking, driving, walking, etc... sometimes I feel like nothing is worthy. why are things the way they are? then panic and anxiety follows which makes it worst. I searched the internet a thousand times to find anything that resembled the way my thoughts are. I read about depression and I said ok there are some symptoms of it that I have but it is not exactly how i feel... i searched many other diseases like GAD, psychosis, bipolar, schizophrenia, sleep apnea, OCD and alot more... Im quite a psychologist now reading and doing alot of research about all these diseases. but today when I come across depersonalization, i m 100% convinced that this is it.. this is the disorder that im suffering from.
rainnight last decade
Hey everyone, I suffer from episodes of derealisation that last for about 2 weeks at a time. It's really easy to let yourself fall into that world as it were and think you'll never know what it feels like to be normal again, but you have to remember that it'll pass. For me it started in 2005. It was terrifying! Since then and everytime it happens now this is what happens to me:
I lose virtually all sense of reality, like everything is very dream like. Simple things like brushing my teeth or having a shave feel almost impossible because of mental exhaustion - it feels like the electrical impulses in my brain have gone all wrong.
I need to sleep for hours and hours during the day and I dream constantly, and i hardly ever usually dream.
Paranoia sets in and it's such a task leaving the house, mainly due to exhaustion and the feeling that something's going to go wrong. Not only that, but everything seems to break or go wrong when D/R kicks in.
I hardly eat or drink, mainly because I don't get hungry or thirsty.
Then there are the blanks, things you think you've missed or wondering how someone left the room without you noticing or not hearing someone come up the stairs, like time lapses.
Also my hearing gets a bit muffled and it's like people do things out of routine unitentionally, not realising how much they're confusing you.
Luckily for me it only seems to have happened once a year since 2005 and lasts for about 2 weeks but it's really intense. However, I think that once you realise what it is, it almost becomes like a bit of a pain in the bum.
You have to remember that you'll always snap out of it and that physically your body is fine. And so is your mind! It's just your brain sorting itself out and doing what it needs to do in order to fix you.
Anyway, feel free to email me if anyone wants to talk. Until today I thought I had baffled the medical world until I came across this site. Take care everyone!
I lose virtually all sense of reality, like everything is very dream like. Simple things like brushing my teeth or having a shave feel almost impossible because of mental exhaustion - it feels like the electrical impulses in my brain have gone all wrong.
I need to sleep for hours and hours during the day and I dream constantly, and i hardly ever usually dream.
Paranoia sets in and it's such a task leaving the house, mainly due to exhaustion and the feeling that something's going to go wrong. Not only that, but everything seems to break or go wrong when D/R kicks in.
I hardly eat or drink, mainly because I don't get hungry or thirsty.
Then there are the blanks, things you think you've missed or wondering how someone left the room without you noticing or not hearing someone come up the stairs, like time lapses.
Also my hearing gets a bit muffled and it's like people do things out of routine unitentionally, not realising how much they're confusing you.
Luckily for me it only seems to have happened once a year since 2005 and lasts for about 2 weeks but it's really intense. However, I think that once you realise what it is, it almost becomes like a bit of a pain in the bum.
You have to remember that you'll always snap out of it and that physically your body is fine. And so is your mind! It's just your brain sorting itself out and doing what it needs to do in order to fix you.
Anyway, feel free to email me if anyone wants to talk. Until today I thought I had baffled the medical world until I came across this site. Take care everyone!
Skaterkid last decade
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