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im only 15 years old and ive had light headness for about a year. one night at a party i took only 1 hit of marijuana and about 10 minutes later i had a severe panic attack. i felt like i was going to die and told everyone to get me help but they just thought i was high. ever since then ive been dealing with lightheadness every day and ive been to doctors and they think it is a heart aryythmia. i will go to a cardiologist this friday to find out. but today i have been feeling like if i move my heart will stop. ive been feeling very unreal. im scared and i just want this to go away.

Dear Waaaboyy.

Was it Weed or Hash that was smoked?

weeed

Then if you feel you are still experiencing the effects of this, as it sounds very much like you are, I would get yourself a low potency (the lower the better)of Cannabis Sativa, in a 5ml liquid potency, and just take one short, sharp, sniff from the bottle, which should alleviate your problems.

You can order this from Helios Pahrmacy in the UK if you have any problems obtaining this in the US.

The best of luck.


-Jacob.

hi thats exactly how i feel!

the reply that wendyysaf has given is so close to what i feel! i didnt know others felt like this to

i am anemic and was wondering if any one knew if that had anything to do with it? because after taking iron tablets it has made the feelings less but how do i ged rid of it??
i am concerned now more than before because now am a mother

Hello,

I too suffer from this terrible illness since I smoked a week ago... I have since seen a doctor and have been given Cymbalta, which has helped some... But it still takes a long time to kick in before it makes me 'come down' again...

Anyways, I was wondering if anyone has actually tried the homeopathic suggestions? I know atleast 2 ppl have suggested Cannibis Sativa/Indica in its potency form... But I cannot find it anywhere! Plus Im unsure if I can even get it legally shipped too me since the States has banned Marijuana...

Any help guys?

As long as the potency is above 12c, there should be no problem with shipping, as not even one single molecule of the original substance remains in the remedy.

Both Cannabis Sativa (weed), and Cannabis Indica (Hash), are available from either Helios or Ainsworths pharmacies here in the UK, and the remedies are labelled C.S and C.I respectively so there should be no problems going through customs.

Do be very sure though that the symptoms you are experiencing are those of the actual drug, as should this not be the case and an involuntary proving takes place, C.I at least is probably one of the hardest drugs to antidote in our entire materia medica, which is why I will never prescribe it in potency, unless for purposes of antidoting the crude substance.

The best of luck.


-Jacob.

'Do be very sure though that the symptoms you are experiencing are those of the actual drug, as should this not be the case and an involuntary proving takes place, C.I at least is probably one of the hardest drugs to antidote in our entire materia medica, which is why I will never prescribe it in potency, unless for purposes of antidoting the crude substance.'

Im not quite sure I understand that paragraph... What is an 'involuntary proving'... Does this all mean if marijuana is not the cause, then it could make things worse? I am pretty sure that marijuana is what triggered my condition, as I smoked the very night before it began, and it feels almost like a weed high...

Yes. Sometimes what happens when a drug is given in potency, and the crude substance was not the cause of the condition, is, the patient may go on to develop the symptoms of that drug. I would advise caution, although you do seem to be quite sure this was the cause, the choice of whether to pursue this is entirely yours. Take the remedy very low to be on the safe side though.

hello can anybody tell me how i can check my replies?

Ok thanks for the reply...

Is 'hemp oil (seeds)' the same thing as this Cannibus Sativa? What I found says:

Hemp Oil w/ OMEGA 3 6 9, Cold Pressed Nature's Way - 16 fl. oz.

Natures Way EFAGold is the highest quality hemp seed oil, and natures richest botanical source of Omega-3/6/9 essential fatty acids.

# THC Free
# Non-GMO Seeds
# Zero Trans Fat

Delicious, natural taste.

90% Total EFAs:
* 18% Omega-3
* 60% Omega-6
* 12% Omega-9

Is this what I need?

And what is the proper way to use it? Somone said just a sniff from the bottle... Another mentioned to mix it with boiling/distilled water...

Hemp see oil is not the same thing, no. You need to contatc a Homoeopathic pharmacist, and order the lowest potency of the drug in question (Cannabis Sativa if this was weed), in a 5ml mlp, and take a short sharp sniff from the bottle, if this is the route you wish to pursue. The Drug is available from Both Helios and Ainsworths pharmacies here in the UK, as stated above.

Thanks again! I didnt see it on either site, so I e-mailed Helios... Ill keep everyone posted...

Good stuff ;)

Update... Anyone looking for it, e-mail Helios... They have it, just not listed on the site... Its £8.50 (about $16 American) shipped!

i think i have found the problem. we are dealing with anxiety and have agoraphobia. does this feeling get worse for anyone if your in public? derealization and light headness are one of the main symtpoms. i think this is what it is because all the doctors say im perfectly healthy, but i know im not.

I would just like to update my story... I didnt buy the Cannabis Sativa... But what I DID try was to take a VERY VERY SMALL (barely any smoke at all) hit from the weed pipe that was used when I first smoked and started feeling derealization... And I swear it seems to have worked (its been a week)... Since the day I did that Ive been fine... And its the same basic principal (maybe not exactly since its not in potency) as homeopathy and Cannabis Sativa with a small dose to cure your ailment with like substances...

I now have no doubt that the C.S. WILL work if your D.R. was triggered by marijuana...

Youve tried everything else, why not just try it??? Contact Helios, buy the bottle... Or if you have a friend who smokes try what I said, make sure the bowl is completely dead, and take a few hits off the resin... You probably wont even see any smoke when you exhale... I swear it worked for me, it just might work for you!

I've been through most of the symptoms described on here. For at least a couple of years in my early 20's, reality to me felt just like a TV show, even though I knew it wasn't.

I blamed doing LSD a couple of times and smoking pot through my teens. Looking back however, I think most of it was brought on by a spiral of negative thoughts that just seemed to trigger each other off, I suppose the logical conclusion to that would be a panic attack and depersonalisation.

I think half of the problem can be devoting so much of your time to worrying about something that you think will never go away - it will. I honestly think that exercise, which often means a good night's sleep, can work miracles.

Take vitamins, avoid stressful situations, don't beat yourself up for smoking pot 10 years ago, it doesn't help - just drop the baggage and get on with your life, nobody deserves this and you could do without it.

hi im dan and this is my story. Forgive me for writing so much but i never actually wrote my story out for anyone!

hi i have been dealing with dp/dr for around 10 years.
When i was around 7 or 8 i would wake up only after an hour or so from sleeping and i would walk around my house(sleep walking). But i wasnt completley asleep. I was half sleeping and half up. Also, half dreaming and half up. I was stuck in a world inbetween and it was very frightening. My mom and dad would awake to find me walking around with a blank expression on my face and as i started comming to i would pace around and have alot of anxiety knowing that i was awake but then slipping back into my dream state... I remember it was very scary but after awhile i would just snap out of it compleltey and be totally awake. My dad asked me what he should say to help me snap out of next time this happenend. I told him i dont know i guess say morning time. so the next time it happened he said it and i snapped out of it. That just shows u how powerful the brain is. Well anyway, That problem slowly vanished as i got older. Then one day in hs i was a soph. i left class and went to my locker and i out of nowhere felt foggy. It felt like i was drinking..like the onset of a buzz ..but not a good feeling. Then when i left school it dissapeared. This kept happening everyday more twards the afternoon. This foggy feeling..but it would always go away later in the night. Then it would start to last longer and longer. Then when i was 15 i smoked mj. It wasnt the first time i ever smoked, prb. like the 4th or 5th. The first couple of times i never really felt anything. The 4th time i was drinking and then i took a hit and it just made me feel like i was floating a little.(first high) It was a good feeling. So around the 5th time i smoked i had a horrible experience. I felt like i was half dreaming and half awake(kind of like when i was 7 or 8) i remember sitting at a table with my friends after we smoked and BAM it just hit me. I completley left the world. I felt numb all over and everything i did had a delay. I could not feel anything. My whold existence vanished. i would put my hand on the table and i couldent feel it there. As i pulled my hand away i would feel it on the table. It was as if my whole sensory system had a 3 sec. delay. My brain was literally processing so slow. When i walked i would feel things i touched and stuff 3 sec after i did it. It is still very hard to explain. My thoughts also had a delay and were completley mangled. I would think of something and by the time i would try to say it i would forget it. so something else woudl come to my mind then i would forget that and so on. I was having an extreme panic attack also. I was pacing aroound trying to WAKE UP. Stuck in a dream world but i new i wasnt dreaming. My friends were all high so they just laughed at me. After min of me goin crzy my one friend new it was serious and tried to help me. I couldent really talk and i was moving my arms all around. The sick part is i thought of what i must look like to the others. I was outside of myself though trying to get back in. It was as if i died. It was by far the worst feeling i ever had in my life and i thought i was goin to die or was dead and in hell.

Well after that episode my life has never ever been the same. I woke up the next morning and was still feeling very very odd. I was gettting dr/dp. My whole world changed. Months after still not feeling right I went from doctor to doctor. After several doctors and To my surprise i was diagnosed with LYME DISEASE. What happenend was i first got lyme disease when i was 13 but didnt recieve an adaquate dose of antibiotics to kill it. The disease grew more and more going into my brain. I believe that the whole bizarre incident with the mj brought up an tramatic episode of when i was having the sleep walking thing when i was a child. The whole episode was so traumatic though that it must have brought the lyme out of my system. Months before i smoked i was allready getting small feelings of dr but did not know what it was. i think smoking the mj brought out my lyme disease full blown.

Lyme disease symptoms also include dr/dp. But they dont ever classify it as derealization. I never heard of it untill recently. Symptoms from lyme included feeling foggy..I felt that but nothing matched the description of what i felt like dr. this was my worst symtom and always has been.

So i have been through alot with my disease including huge courses of iv antibiotics. I got better but always feel a little foggy even when im in remission. Ive had several relapses and was even enrolled in a lyme study at nyc colombia universtity. I got into that study out of thousands of others with lyme disease because my history was so bad with it.

well the reason im here is i still experience dr. almost everyday i still feel foggy. I have a scale for my dr. normally it is around 3..When my anxiety is up my dr goes up big time. I find it worse when i go out to malls or supermarkets. Places with very bright lights and lots of people. I find it least when watching a movie.if it is a 10 that is when i go completley numb like when i smoked the weed but without the delay feeling. This only happened a couple of times. When it goes code red though i feel as if i completley lose touch of all reality. Well I def. cope with it very well. people dont even know i have it. Ive learned to live with it but i wish i could just be completley clear. I want to help people on these forums and i hope people can help me. WE need to be here for eachother. The world is real..we are real...it is just a feeling ..we have to learn to over come it..

I have also been on a ssri for years now. Im currently on lexapro 20 mg. i tried zoloft, and celexa. I take alot of vitamins..(around 30 aday) i go to alternative medicing theropies and get vitamin c drips. And when needed i take valiums.

So i am extremely happy i found this sight because for 10 years i didnt even know the name of what my worst symptom was. i would always tell eveyone that i feel LOST. or spaced out..always saying that things just dont feel real ..like im living in a dream. I never knew i was experiencing derealization.

thanks dan

Hi, I posted a just a while back, and my symptoms are in that post.

I was wondering if I should use Hahnemania's suggested remedy using C.S. potencies. Helios Pharmacy sells them online. But I can't find 5ml, only 15 and up. And they're not measured in ml, they're mlm?

Should I just buy a 15mlm and measure it myself? Or am I confused?

Also, what are the effects of this? Is it suppose to immediately cure the feelings of derealization, or does it take time? Do I only use it once, or do I use it on a set schedule? I'm curious as to how this is suppose to cure the problem.

A little more in depth explanation of this remedy would be greatly appreciated!

- David

anybody tried the C.S. potencies?

In response to Exempt..

I don't think marijuana triggers DR directly, only indirectly. If you smoked and had a 'bad trip', it may have been a very traumatic experience and brain chemistry may have been _temporarily_ altered and made you feel like you are in a new mental state. Those effects wear off. However, at some point consciously or not you think back on that traumatic experience and what it was like, and your minds natural reaction is to protect itself, so DP/DR comes on. Post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms include avoiding situations that remind you of the traumatic event, dissociative states, panic symptoms, you get the idea.

But! Since DR/DP experience is so similar to a bad marijuana experience, you might make the mistake of confusing the two, at which time it can be a recurring cycle. Thinking of your marijuana experience triggers DR, and DR makes you think of your marijuana experience.

Just my opinion, I really don't think DR is a direct result of marijuana use. Please try to understand what you feel and why you feel it, and do not avoid it, deal with your underlying problem, and then there will be no reason for your body to respond this way.

Also, please know that DR is not harmful to you, and it does not do any permanent damage, you will not go crazy or anything, so there is no need to be worried. In fact, you most likely NEED to have DR if your body brought it on. Talk about your problem with others, avoid negative thoughts as much as you can, and don't get too isolated for a long time -- we're social beings after all =)

Found another opinion which may be helpful on another board:

'I've experienced the derealization that you speak of, but not from smoking weed. It can emerge during high anxiety and is basically the mind's way of shutting down when overstressed. It is definitely a very disturbing side effect of anxiety, and it can make you feel like you're losing it...but you're fine. The scary part is that it can come seemingly out of nowhere, and in effect makes you feel like your thoughts and surroundings aren't real, as if somehow you are detached from your body. Very common with anxiety and depression. Are you taking any meds?

Johnny Kid,'

Thanks,
Sam

I've had exatly the same problem as you people had. Mj usage brought me this desperating killjoy experience. I still have it sometimes, but it's nothing to worry about (anymore) and it's quite controllable. My 'cure' for that was to stop talking about it and thinking about it (dunno if it's just me, but everytime I talk/think about it BAM! there it comes...). Musculation and worry-free things that gives me pleasure are my greatest aid/cure for that, and you can feel it getting better in a week, if you sweat your shirt for real. You WILL keep on having problems in your life right? (Like you won't have a perfect life) There is where DR is a bit of a treacherous thing, for it will get to annoy you from time to time, especially in times of desperation, till you learn to chill up and get the control over it.
Now, ie, I'm feeling it (read, thought and wrote about it), but I'm not scared at all, as I'm gonna kill it in the next few mins (excercising ang chilling).

Bah, I do hope I was of some help, coz I know how one feels when this comes and the joys of life vanish.

All the health and pleasure in the world to all of you!

Rafael (Ralph_Oeteimoso)

Bad english, good intentions! :)

Rafael (Ralph_Oeteimoso)