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Olvin

I would like you to detail out for me your progress after you started on the Nat Sulph therapy. You state that it helped you but today you are faced with the additional problem with your phlegm.

I note that no other homeopaths have responded to my request as I believe that they too are unable to work out some remedy that will give you some relief.

Give me details of your progress after the NS therapy and I shall try to think of another remedy to help you.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
I wish to tell you something...I experienced just now....

I am in my office and there is some painting job going on...as I entered the place where the painting was going on...I felt a strange feeling of sucking in my throat and after a minute or two I started breathing heavily. Its bcos of the toxic gas of the paint that I inhaled in the room my lungs got allergic to and the bronchial tubes got constricted allowing less air to pass in and I was gasping for breath....I immediately went out of the room and stayed out in fresh air for about 10 mins and my breathing became normal once again.

This means my lungs have become allergic to impure air and cold air.

The heavy breathing at 6 am in the morning is probably due to the climate which gets cool/cold in the morning which is not so at night time and triggers my lungs and makes it breathe less air.


You wanted to know my progress on Nat Sulp therapy.

I started your therapy now almost a month. I had lots of phlegm & irritation in my throat since almost a year, this which slowly got reduced in just about 2-3rd day of Nat Sulp therapy which was amazing. this went on for 2 weeks and I was just fine....no new cold or cough. But in 2 weeks I got infected with throat infection & fever. I took antibiotics for 5 days & also I still continued with the N.S. therapy. I got cured of the throat infection thru antibiotics in 5 days and this was also amazing....there was no extra phlegm or irritation which normally persisted for 2-3 weeks. So I knew the N.S. therapy was working.

This went on for a week, but since last week this new problem of heavy breathing after dinner and at 6 am in the morning without cold or phlegm.

Its a complete new development for me.
 
solvin last decade
I also wish to tell you, my office is air-conditioned, why does the cool air not trigger my lungs ?

There is something else probably GERD ????!!!!!
 
solvin last decade
Nat Sulph has obviously helped your Asthma and I see no reason to change over to some other remedy at this stage. Your present problem is your throat infection which is prevalent throughout the world and the amazing fact about the current virus is that it keeps on recurring. Here in Sri Lanka I have observed some who have come down 4 times over with the same throat infection, although subsequent attacks are not as bad as the first which usually affects the patient with a hoarse throat.

In your case I believe that you will have to ride out this current problem as there is nothing I can do. I am happy that your Asthma has not caused you the distress that you went through pre NS therapy.

Since you do not have any heartburn which will indicate hyperacidity after meals, I do not think that you need Nat Phos.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
To Fauzia

I have often been thinking of how your daughter and your son are and would appreciate a report ASAP.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
dear joe,

i wish to inform you that its not throat infection that i am suffering from, but breathlessness.

earlier b4 nat sulp therapy it was phlegm accumulation/irritation in the throat that was causing wheezing and breathlessness....but now there is no throat infection....and i feel obstruction/phlegm deep down in the bronchial tree or maybe the trachea.....

now the problem is such that it happens suddenly...(earlier it was due to slow phlegm accumulation in the throat...)

now suddently i get breathless....phlegm/choke up feeling deep down in the trachea

i hope you understand my problem.
 
solvin last decade
Nat Sulph therepy is only good for Asthma. I cannot prescribe another remedy for your phlegm accumulation and would suggest that you consult a specialist in chest diseases to identify your ailment.

I may be able to indicate a remedy if you can at least be specific about your problem.

Have you usee the steam inhalation therapy that I suggested ?
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear doctor joe,
how r u???
remember on 20of this mionth my daughter was diagnosed of having hemophilus parainfluenza for which the doctor prescribed her antibiotics....i started the antibiotic on 21st of june and finished on 29 that is last night.....she was alright all these days with the exception of 28 and 29th nights...which she started coughing again in the night....today was the first day without the antibiotics, and she coughed in the morning after getting up for few minutes and then she was ok the whole day...but just now before sleeping at 10 pm she started coughing and it continued for 10 minutes so i gave her arsenic album at 10:10 pm, and she slept ok after 44 miutes she coughed just once so far.....
i will take her to the doc tom so that her swap test can be done again to check if her infection has gone or not....
i am still giving ur wet dose of natrum sulph to my kids without any brake , during all past days.....
please tell me , why my daughter coughs every night???????
 
fauzia last decade
I do not think that you have to repeat the antibiotic as it is most likely that she like so many thousands, perhaps millions throughout the world, has caught the current virus that starts with a sore throat which in some cases makes the patient to lose his voice. I have used a wide range of remedies to treat it but not one has given some positive relief like the Nat Sulph helping your children and Shiny's son.

This virus usually takes about 5-10 days to leave the person infected and your daughter will be OK in a few days. You must not give her any more antibiotics and I would like to know what brand you gave her on your doctor's prescription.

A swab test will be useful but it must be done in 3 days after you have stopped the antibiotic.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
To Joe De Livera, Hi, Joe just thought I would check in and let you know how I am doing. I notice in the last few days allergy symptoms of itching a small rash on my neck and a very small sounding wheeze. I still am doing nat sulph. I went to my allergist and he advised me for a study test for a new asthma medicine that has not been approved yet by the FDA [usa] I am hoping that the nat sulph helps me greatly in this month so I dont have to think about doing a study test. God bless you.
 
jasminem last decade
To Jasminem

I note that your last post was on June 15 when you informed me of your distress with your Asthma and I suggested that you use Ars Alb 200 in the dry dose to help with an attack. I also recommended that you use steam to soften the mucus.

In your post above, you have not reported your response to the therapy that I have recommended, Nat Sulph for daily use and Ars Alb when you have an attack.

You have not reported your response to the therapy that I have suggested and unless you do so with details of your response, I am not able to evaluate your case to advise you.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
to dr joe
now i want to stop giving natrum sulph from the bottle and start with other method...that is by pouring 1 tsp from the bottle in half cup of water....i want to know , whether i should then give them to drink the whole of half cup or just one tsp from it
please elobrate
or i should continue giving directly from the bottle???
 
fauzia last decade
To Fauzia

I presume that the Asthma of your 2 children has stabilized but you have not stated so. I feel that this is the least that you could have done for me since I was responsible for getting them to this condition after all they have suffered so far in the past on other medication.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
i am sorry if i have hurt u
no they have not cured
atleast my daughter hasnot
she coughs every other nioght like ever.......
but atleast she is not wheezing now, for which i am happy ...but still wonder why she still coughs ??????
my son is much better now......thanks to u
 
fauzia last decade
No you have not hurt me at all. It is just that I too think of your children often and wondered how they were recently.

I believe that your daughter's cough is due to the current throat virus which has spread worldwide and there is little that anyone can do to help it.

Please read my reply to Shiny today copied below:

Re: 7 yr old with nocturnal asthma From Joe De Livera on 2006-07-05
Nothing.

He has obviously caught the current throat virus that is ravaging the world for which there is just no remedy that has been used successfully as far as I know. Keep him at home and on liquids and do not let him out to play.

I have used Bell 30, Causticum 30, Spongia Tosta 30, Bryonia 30 to treat this cough but none of them were able to stop it.

I would like to have your email address which you can send mine on my profile.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
last night while sleeping at 2 am she started coughing badly and then it was ok after a while....but again after waiking up she is coughing badly and in gaps of 1 minute maybe..so waited for 10 minutes and have just now given her arsenic alba only 2 golis under her tongue....plz advise
 
fauzia last decade
Dear Mr. Joe,

I am sorry for not replying....but I just did not understand what 'specific' you wanted to know about my problems which I have detailed to you in my various replies.

Nevertheless, I am still on the Nat Sulp therapy...

The only problem that I have now is asthma spasm, while climbing steps, after eating (especially in the night) and early morning after 6 hours of sleep.

I don't have any phlegm, no coughing....ONLY SUDDEN HEAVY BREATHING....I don't get relief even after taking ARS Alb 200 dose....I have to resort to the salbutamol inhaler.

I tried steam too....but in the middle of the night...its rather difficult to get the steam inhalation...cos I am not able to sleep immediately.

I have never tried Arnica 6c wet dose...should I try this...

I don't what more 'specific' I cud ever be...

and I just hate to go to the allopathic doctors and conduct various tests of Chest....cos I all results wud b just fine...and it wud just b a waste of time & money
 
solvin last decade
You stated that you get your asthma spasm at night after dinner.

It is possible that you may be suffering from Hyperacidity or even GERD which may be the root cause of your asthma.

I would like you to start on a daily dose of 2 tablets of Nat Phos 6x taken after both lunch and dinner.

You may also use Arnica 30c in the wet dose 1 teaspoonful sipped twice daily.

Please report response in a week on this therapy.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Should I also continue with the Nat Sulp therapy as well simultaneously
 
solvin last decade
You must use the Nat Sulph 6c therapy as it is your main remedy and can be your salvation as it has been in the case of many whom I have treated.

The Nat Phos 6x therapy is just an idea that I wish to use in your case to see if it can help your problem which affects you after lunch and dinner.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
What worldwide throat virus? How come only Nat Sulph (mis)users are complaining of this?
fauzia et al - please see a competent homeopath. do not be seduced by supposedly miraculous cures. Even if prescription were logical, it would still be better to treat a chronic and serious condition face to face.
Mr. de Livera - I know you love helping people, but apart from your lack of proper prescribing, it would be good for you to learn to investigate symptoms that occur after. I suspect your 'ultimate' cures are only successful in your eyes because you ignore or pass off as 'worldwide virus'es and the like anything that does not suit you to see as a possible consequence.
 
ripas last decade
I do not know in which part of the world you live in but from your post I believe that you have not heard of the current throat virus which starts with a sore throat and after a few days affects your lungs and if you are unlucky you finally end up in hospital. This virus is rampant in Sri Lanka where I live and India, China, UK, US and other parts of the world.

You may be aware that the Nat Sulph therapy that I prescribed has helped many Asthmatics who were chronic and the numbers keep growing. I hope that Fauzia and Shiny see this post to confirm to you a disbeliever, that my attitude towards Homeopathy which some have called 'Joepathy' also works, perhaps even more effectively than the classical method that all who are qualified adopt and which they use with only limited success at least in the cure of Asthma. You have only to read the many posts that others have made to try to help the children of the two mothers above and I hope that others too will confirm that they have benefitted from my simple therapy after having suffered for years, some for over 25 years from Asthma.

You must realize that the mere fact that a virus infects the asthmatic patient who was in any case under treatment with Nat Sulph 6c does not preclude other viruses from attacking the patient. A human body is always an open target for these nasty viruses and an Asthmatic is perhaps more prone to succumb than another who is not suffering from this ailment and you cannot therefore conclude that my prescription for asthma was at fault. The present throat virus is a difficult one to cure and it unfortunately has the habit of repeat infections which make it in my opinion the worst encountered in 2006.

If you are so very concerned about my misdirecting my patients may I suggest that you prescribe a remedy which you have used for asthma and has worked in the same manner as the Nat Sulph therapy had worked for so many Asthmatics ?

Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Mr. de Livera, I think you miss my point. Even if there were a wide-spread viral infection going around, when patients report symptoms after any medication, it is our duty to consider all possibilities. You are presuming, is it not, that these people are infected? When a 'virus' continues for 2 weeks, I would stop whatever remedy has been prescribed and check response.
I know that you have been repeatedly told that your prescriptions are non-homeopathic and therefore do not follow the laws of cure of homeopathy.
This is my opinion, which I do not expect you to heed, but I feel I should state. Your method of prescribing follows palliative rules and would be okay for acute situations. Were the remedies you prescribe routinely (i.e. without case-taking) curative, then they would act even better in high potency. I note that you stick mostly to low potencies. The removal of suffering, as in asthma, is by itself a big achievemnet, but it is not a cure. I use Aconite 6 or /and Ipecac 6 or Blatta O 6, and a host of remedies from Arsenic and Carbo Veg to Nat Sulph- and others, but among these, Aconite, for instance, willnot be curative. Blatta 6 will have to be given in high potency in between - if it is the matching remedy. However, like your nat Sulph prescription, by and large Aco and Ipecac relive the symptoms.
When a palliative remedy is used, leave aside the usual concerns of what other effects it might have, the thing is that a closely matched remedy which might cure is ignored. The principle of a doctor or practitioner is to heal. To heal you need to know all you can about the system you are using, its theory, its tools - all the remedies. I am not against you because you are a lay practitioner. I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don't care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade.
I earnestly request you to please take some time to study, to use the repertory and, since you have the time and the inclination, to serve better.
It is not my intention to offend or put you down. I give you credit for trying, but you are not optimizing.
 
ripas last decade
Dear Mr. de Livera, I think you miss my point. Even if there were a wide-spread viral infection going around, when patients report symptoms after any medication, it is our duty to consider all possibilities. You are presuming, is it not, that these people are infected? When a 'virus' continues for 2 weeks, I would stop whatever remedy has been prescribed and check response.
I know that you have been repeatedly told that your prescriptions are non-homeopathic and therefore do not follow the laws of cure of homeopathy.
This is my opinion, which I do not expect you to heed, but I feel I should state. Your method of prescribing follows palliative rules and would be okay for acute situations. Were the remedies you prescribe routinely (i.e. without case-taking) curative, then they would act even better in high potency. I note that you stick mostly to low potencies. The removal of suffering, as in asthma, is by itself a big achievemnet, but it is not a cure. I use Aconite 6 or /and Ipecac 6 or Blatta O 6, and a host of remedies from Arsenic and Carbo Veg to Nat Sulph- and others, but among these, Aconite, for instance, willnot be curative. Blatta 6 will have to be given in high potency in between - if it is the matching remedy. However, like your nat Sulph prescription, by and large Aco and Ipecac relieve the symptoms.
When a palliative remedy is used, leave aside the usual concerns of what other effects it might have, the thing is that a closely matched remedy which might cure is ignored. The principle of a doctor or practitioner is to heal. To heal you need to know all you can about the system you are using, its theory, its tools - all the remedies. I am not against you because you are a lay practitioner. I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don't care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade.
I earnestly request you to please take some time to study, to use the repertory and, since you have the time and the inclination, to serve better.
It is not my intention to offend or put you down. I give you credit for trying, but you are not optimizing.
 
ripas last decade
Dear Mr Ripas,

I note that you are responding to a post that I made on July 12 in response to yours of the same date.

From the general trend of your argument I believe that it is my direct treatment of the ailment that you seem to resent, perhaps because you have seen that many patients whom I have responded to on this forum have confirmed that they have been helped and in many instances cured. This routine of cures does not only pertain to Asthma and I must admit that I used the direct allopathic method in prescribing the remedy with the success that you can read about on the respective threads.

I am amazed at the reasons that classical homeopaths like you can offer and I can see that you are only interested in defending the classical attitude to homeopathy which I too resort to with my Radar software if I am not familiar with the ailment or the response from the patient to the remedy that I prescribe has not been satisfactory, which occurs very rarely.

I do not object to classical homeopaths using their classical knowledge in treating any ailment. I do resent however when these classical types go to the level that Dinesh Sharma went to yesterday to attack me in his uncontrolled fit of rage which is only too transparent on the ABC which you can read on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/67963/1

I shall copy my response below and this will also answer some of your own reservations on the direct method that I use to prescribe any remedy to my patients. It must be borne in mind that in the case of these patients, the resultant effect which leads to a cure has almost always been positive. There have been absolutely no instances of any remedy that I prescribed causing any form of distress or aggravation.


Re: Gastric Problem.
From Joe De Livera
on 2006-07-20
To Dinesh Sharma

I was appalled to note that you had addressed your post to me personally and deliberately repeated it 3 times over which I believe you did in a fit of anger as a result of my commenting on your prescribing what you fondly believed was your 'classical constitutional remedy' to relieve the patient's obvious distress from hyperacidity which sadly did not have the slightest effect in helping him for a whole month but only resulted in a serious aggravation of his condition when he was under your supervision.

I believe that types like you who are so obsessed with your own importance which you have assumed as a result of your obtaining your diploma in Homeopathy should stop to consider that the primary reason for your spending a few years in the study of this precious science is to heal suffering humanity. It is only when people like you are forced to accept that the remedy that your classical training has taught you to prescribe which did not have the slightest effect in helping the suffering patient but instead had aggravated his condition to a degree that he was so obviously suffering from it, that you explode and then proceed to insult me and command me in UPPER CASE to 'MIND YOUR WORDS' or in other words to SHUT UP.

I regret that I cannot oblige you by doing so as I strongly feel that types like you and a few others who play around with the lives of those who visit this forum in the manner that you have done for Bodapathi should be compelled to tender an apology to him for the damage that you have done to him by making his complaint which I believe is GERD infinitely worse during the last month. It is important that those who visit this forum should know the real person you are --- haughty, self opinionated, and obsessed with your own interpretation of what you feel is Homeopathy which has done irreparable damage to at least one member.

I believe that what you need is the humility to accept that you have made a serious error in your prescription of Lycopodium 200 and to bow out gracefully from the thread and thereby permit others who are able to help, to do so in peace without having to waste time in resorting to this form of defense in replying to your tirade as I am now doing right now. In spite of the constraints of time that this form of defense involves I still felt that I should give you some food for thought to teach you how to prescribe at least in the future.

You will have observed that none of us who have been advisors on the ABC for many years and long before you even knew its existence and joined it, have upbraided or criticized you directly when we had reason to do so in previous lapses on your part. I do remember a previous instance when I had to advise you in a case similar to the present and you undertook to behave in a more acceptable manner.

It is the sheer arrogance that you displayed in your tirade that I find objectionable when you state:
'I tried to help him and infcat if you can read earlier post Lycopodium had helped him.But to change constitution requires time but you can not understand all this stuff as your are not a Homeopath'.
As far as I are aware Bodapathy did not show any positive response to your constitutional remedy Lycopodium 200 which sadly backfired on him and you were directly responsible to help him when he pleaded that it was not helping him when you insisted that it must help him perhaps because you had prescribed it and you were of course the last word in Homeopathy ! You then proceed to insult me with your broken Indian English stating that ' you can not understand all this stuff as your are not a Homeopath'.

You must understant that if you persist in maintaining this arrogant attitude you may risk the wrath of other members and the management and may be banned from this forum permanently.

Bodapathi has decided to consult a Gastroenteriologist as the agony that you have caused him is too much for him to suffer. In doing so he will obviously be following his path to disaster as the specialist will no doubt prescribe the standard drugs used in medicine that inhibit the production of acid like Nexium, Prilosec to name only two which will only serve to palliate his ailment and will continue to send him on the path to GERD from which a return is extremely difficult as you can read from the experience of others who have been rescued even on this thread.

You must remember that it does not take that piece of paper which I presume you possess, which you like to flaunt to the other members of this forum with your title of 'Dr' which you have used as a prefix to your name, to enable those who practice Homeopathy to help members who post their ailments. It is more the dedication of the prescriber to this science and the experience that he has accumulated throughout the past years that is important and not the careless attitude that you and many others in your profession cultivate when they discover after a few years in practice that they can safely assume the status of a petty god over their patients. You have only to read the post above from Pat to appreciate the level that some homeopaths descend to, merely to maintain that haughty devil may care attitude at the expense of the poor suffering patient. I am aware of some who deliberately do so in order to ensure that the patient has no alternative but to visit them even weekly to obtain relief from their ailment which could have been cured with perhaps a single remedy in a single consultation.

As you probably know, I have been deeply involved in this science since 1970 and after a period of study it is now my hobby which I practice free of charge both privately in Sri Lanka and on the ABC as I feel a deep sense of satisfaction to help in the alleviation of human suffering in my own way which you may have read in other threads on the ABC. Some of these cures have been commented upon by grateful patients as being miraculous.

I do hope that you will not repeat your hypercritical arrogant attitude as evidenced in your last post which you have repeated 3 times over and that you will not interfere in future with my sincere attempts to help in the alleviation of human suffering.

Joe De Livera





If as I presume you are a qualified classical homeopath who insists only on working within the narrow confines of the classical method that you have been inculcated into accepting during your studies, I would suggest that you spend some time on this forum which as you will see is easily the most prolific of Homeopathic forums in the world and is used by over 50 patients to post their ailment daily seeking a cure. I presume that many hundreds, perhaps many thousands of visitors also frequent it as they obviously can find matters of health discussed in it which may be of interest to themselves.

I would recommend that you use your time more fruitfully by helping to cure human ailments posted by patients on this forum rather than just picking on dedicated Homeopaths like me and force me to use my time to defend my attitude to Homeopathy which has invariably resulted in a cure in comparison to the cures that are achieved by the classical types whose antics are only too transparent on this forum.

Answering the matters that you have discussed in your post, I too agree that a virus cannot affect anyone for 2 weeks. We are however presuming that Fauzia's children were affected for this length of time, which you will read from her response was not the case. She indicated that after she had her children's throat swabs analyzed it was discovered that they were in fact infected by the Beta Haemolyticus Streptococcus for which the required antibiotic was used and she later confirmed that both her children were cured of the infection. Their Asthma was also being controlled by the Nat Sulph.

I would like to comment on your mention of the other remedies some of which I too have used in the cure of Asthma:

You state:
' The removal of suffering, as in asthma, is by itself a big achievemnet, but it is not a cure. I use Aconite 6 or /and Ipecac 6 or Blatta O 6, and a host of remedies from Arsenic and Carbo Veg to Nat Sulph- and others, but among these, Aconite, for instance, willnot be curative. Blatta 6 will have to be given in high potency in between - if it is the matching remedy. However, like your nat Sulph prescription, by and large Aco and Ipecac relieve the symptoms. '

I have used Blattta Orientalis but in 30c potency in the dry dose for the treatment of Asthma in the case of a professor of Physics in our university in the hills in Sri Lanka. He stated that he was OK at sea level in Colombo but that when he went to his university located in Kandy that he often was unable to breathe. Blatta O fixed his problem and it did that permanently about 2 years ago and he can be considered fully cured. I have used Ipecac for a patient who was on Nat S but had a persistent cough which was resolved by the remedy.

I have recommended the use of Ars Alb 200 in the dry dose when the patient is unable to breathe when he would reach for his Inhaler. FYI I have noticed that within about 20 minutes the patient who is gasping for breath, is able to breathe without any discomfort. I have not however used Carbo Veg and Aconite and would not like to do so as I only prescribe remedies that I have used myself, or in this case as I am not an Asthmatic, remedies that I have discovered evoke a positive response from the patient.

You may like to know that almost all cases of Asthma that I have treated have responded positively to Nat Sulph 6c in the wet dose and later the split dose which I use after about a month on the remedy direct from the bottle.

You state:
'When a palliative remedy is used, leave aside the usual concerns of what other effects it might have, the thing is that a closely matched remedy which might cure is ignored. The principle of a doctor or practitioner is to heal. To heal you need to know all you can about the system you are using, its theory, its tools - all the remedies. I am not against you because you are a lay practitioner. I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don't care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade. '

I do not agree with you that the remedies that I use are only 'palliative'. It just depends on how you choose to interpret 'cure'. If it is permanent it can be considered a cure but otherwise it is palliative. In the case of Asthma the cure especially in the case of chronic cases is sometimes long drawn out and may take some months. The healing process continues throughout the period the patient sips the one teaspoonful of the remedy daily and this is a far cry from the tablets and inhalers usually multiple inhalers all of which are loaded with all the choice steroids that the patient has been used to using for a lifetime.

A teaspoonful of NS does not in any way harm the patient and even I, after so many cases of successfully resolving cases of chronic Asthma, often wonder how this minuscule dose of this chemical Sodium Sulphate also known as Glauber's Salt can possibly have this beneficial effect on a patient who was as I stated has been an asthmatic during most of his life.

I do not agree that I as a lay practitioner must know ALL about the remedies I use which are the standard remedies that anyone can get from a pharmacy. It would be quite impossible for me to study ALL about the ailments that I prescribe for. I believe that it is that streak of originality that I seem to have been born with that makes me deviate from your obvious classical outlook which has resulted in my identifying many remedies in the classical Homeopathic texts for ailments that are not listed in them . If as you state you have read some others of my post on this forum you may have noticed that I have responded to the majority of the posts that patients have made and it would be safe to presume that the real reason for my success is that patients seem to appreciate my methodology in helping them as I believe that they have realized that they have resulted in more cures than those that the classical homeopaths have offered in terms of constitutional remedies and other experimental use of remedies which in a recent case was carried on for over a month when the patient was virtually screaming in agony while this homeopath continued to insist that the aggravation was part of the curative process, which in this case seemed to be unending. As you may have read the patient decided to seek an allopathic cure in sheer disgust at the homeopathic aggravation.

It is also a shame that some of these classical homeopaths use this forum to drum up business for themselves by contacting the patients directly. Their modus operandi is to pose a questionnaire to the patient within a few minutes of the original post and when the patient responds the reply from the homeopath is often delayed. Excuses are made that the ailment is under consideration as the selection of the remedy usually takes time. The patient in the meanwhile is desperate for a remedy as his ailment is causing him distress and then contacts the homeopath directly who states that the curative process will take a few months and offers to look after the patient for a handsome fee which has to be paid for the first consultation and a monthly fee to be paid for a year or more depending on the severity of the patient's ailment.

Some of these patients have contacted me and a few of them have even copied the original emails of these homeopaths. I also have evidence of the direct approach to the patient from the homeopath with the offer to help for a fee. This ploy is resorted to when the patient does not have his email address in his profile when the homeopath requests the patient to send him photographs of the ailment to enable him to treat it better and thereby obtains his email address. It is a matter of some concern to all of us who treat anyone for the joy it gives us to see a patient cured which in my opinion is far greater than the money that others who practice for a fee professionally derive from curing someone in distress.

You state:
'I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don't care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade.
I earnestly request you to please take some time to study, to use the repertory and, since you have the time and the inclination, to serve better.
It is not my intention to offend or put you down. I give you credit for trying, but you are not optimizing.'

As no doubt you are aware, I practice my own version of Homeopathy which has been recently branded 'Joepathy', I am convinced that my method is more direct and is less hazardous to the patient and what is most important, it results in a cure.

All I ask of you classical homeopaths is to permit me to continue with my mission of healing in the manner I choose which I feel is best for the patient. You are aware that this is a forum which is open to anyone who would like to voice an opinion and I would welcome any constructive opinions instead of the destructive insults that I have often had to suffer in the past (this does not include you) on this and other forums dedicated to Homeopathy.

In conclusion I would like to refer you to the first 2 Aphorisms of the founder of Homeopathy which I shall quote below:

§ 1
The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed

§ 2
The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles.


The mere fact that I have to brave the criticism from people like you and even insults from others who pose as classical homeopaths shall not and will not make me deviate from the manner that I believe I am correct in following.

I shall end this essay with a quotation from Arthur Schopenhauer

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
--- Arthur Schopenhauer ---



Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera last decade
I could not resist copying another post which I had made on the Otherhealth forum in December 2005 on a similar theme where I was compelled to defend my attitude to Homeopathy. I feel that this post too is of relevance to the present controversy.

This post appears in its entirety on: http://www.otherhealth.com/archive/index.php/t-6381.html

You will observe how the classical homeopaths on that forum reacted to a factual record of a case where I recorded the use of Arnica to help an 88 year old person who discovered that he was cured of his Eczema after suffering from it for 75 years during which time he had used many prescription drugs which only served to palliate his ailment but did not cure it as Arnica did. This patient is now 89 today and continues to take a sip of Arnica 6c nightly as he swears that without it, he does not feel as well.

It seems so unbelievable that anyone should stoop to criticize my record when they should be at least thankful for having been informed of this case which can be classified as a Miracle Cure of this chronic disease. I believe that this only serves to show up the hypocrisy that is part of the classical routine that is inculcated into the minds of those who are qualified in Homeopathy which they are compelled to accept and practice later in their professional life.



Joe De Livera
26th December 2005, 05:39 PM
I was browsing around the Otherhealth forum and discovered your post on November 23 about your chronic Eczema which you have suffered from for many years. I do not usually visit the specialist forums like Skin and I note that you have not received any positive inputs from the consultants on this forum so far. I would have responded to your post if you had used the Discussion section of this forum.

I have had some success in the treatment of chronic Eczema and a recent case was that of a 88 year old electrical engineer, since retired, who informed me that he was suffering from this ailment from the age of 15.

He noticed considerable improvement after taking the remedy that I prescribed to him in 3 days and in a week all his lesions were not scratching any more and in a month they had all dried up and for the first time in his life, is not bothered any more from his eczema. You can read more details about this case on this forum by doing a search for Eczema or by searching for the posts that I have made on the Discussion section of this forum which I visit daily.

The remedy that I prescribed and gave him is Arnica 30c and I shall copy below my standard instructions for the use of this remedy and if you decide to use it, please report your response on this forum.

Method to be followed to make the wet dose.
Get a 500ml bottle of spring water from your supermarket.
Pour out 50ml
Put in 3 globules of Arnica 30c
Hit the bottle hard on your palm or a cushion and watch for the water to fizzle like when you open a bottle of soda. This is succussion and it lifts the potency of the remedy slightly and helps the body to recover from the eczema.
Sip a teaspoonful twice daily after succussing the bottle every time before each dose.

No coffee, cola drinks and sausages, ham, bacon which contain saltpeter as they all antidote the Arnica.

LisaAnnan
27th December 2005, 03:44 AM
Please beware the Joe's advice is not in any way homeopathic. It's never good to self-prescribe, or to use remedies in the way that Joe has suggested above.

PANNAKKAL
27th December 2005, 09:31 PM
Joe's advice is totally unhomoeopathic and shows his ignorance about homoeopathy. Homoeopathy treats the patient and not the disease. There is no difference with allopathy here.In homoeopathy you cannot presecribe in the name of eczema. Any remedy even Arnica may come if it suited to the patient. So Arnica will cure only cases beloging to the peculiarities of Arnica as every remedy do.

Patients visit this forum after their desperate experiences and suppressin from various treatmnets. And they are unaware of the principles of homoeopathy. The post like this will only mislead them and divert them from higher possiblity of the real homoeopathic treatment.The conditions like eczema needs correct internal treatmnet according to the patient rather than mere guesswork.

Homoepaths all over the world are treating eczema successfully in real manner. In my experience I had treated innumerable cases with success by homoeopathic method. So misleading patients to more complication by unhomoeopathic methods will not be tolerated in this forum as this is a homoeopathic forum.

Joe De Livera
27th December 2005, 10:14 PM
In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic treatment

I am copying a post that I have just made on the Hpathy forum in response to that of Gina Tyler, a senior Homeopath which will I hope will serve to answer many of the posts that homeopaths of the classical school have made upbraiding me which I believe will be of general interest to all who have done so:


G Tyler wrote:
Dear Joe


I agree with all that have posted to your last comment but one thing to
add myself;


I can see you have a giant caring heart of gold,you give freely of your
'limited ' knowledge what ever that might be. Yes i understand well to see
a person suffer so much and this person cannot afford to go to an MD for
full casetaking,you offer your help free of charge ,that is comendable,it
shows you help out of 'love and care,compasion'. But one must further
your study of homeopathic principles,this will help even more,your
passion is obvious joe.


I come from the lonely place of a 'volunteer homeopath',there are only
a handfull on this entire planet that are willing to do homeopathy for free
to help the poor that cannot pay.I do
understand.................................your motives.


Gina Tyler






Dear Gina,

I have just seen your post and felt that I must thank you for your support
of my attitude to Homeopathy.

I believe that you would have noticed that all I seek to do is to use the
time that I have at my disposal from my official duties as the CEO of our
business organization, to help those who post on the 4 Homeopathic
forums that I visit on a daily basis. I also spend some time with patients
who call for assistance at my residence and I find that the number is
gradually increasing as I treat all free of charge.

As you would have seen from the many comments that were posted on
the thread that I posted on 3 forums entitled 'To all classical homeopaths
who have criticized me' I seem to have roused up a hornet's nest which
very few other homeopaths who visit these forums would dare to do. I did
so as I felt that it was time that I showed the homeopathic world what
they have so far missed in not using my own method of diagnosis and
treatment which to my surprise I find, is the method that is used by the
majority of homeopaths in our sub continent. It is only the 'classical'
types that refuse to see the proverbial wood for the trees, and I believe
that I am not far wrong in voicing the suspicion that I have been having
for some time, that their 'Holier than Thou' attitude is prompted by the
fact that these classical types, by virtue of their keeping up this
'mysterious' aspect of homeopathic diagnosis and treatment which those
who have made the grade in Homeopathy and built up their practice do
so, as they fear that persons like me who try to help anyone who posts
on the forums out of a sense of service, free of charge, would divert their
patients thereby causing some loss of revenue to themselves. They then
resort to the scathing criticism that you would have noticed they have
mounted against me in the hope that I will get fed up and leave of my
own accord or on the other hand they perhaps look forward to my being
banned from some of these forums which, I believe can happen, except
for the ABC where I feel very welcome. I also believe that they resent the
successful case records that I have recorded of my experience with
Arnica and a few other remedies which I have specialized in using.

My question to these classical homeopaths who delight in criticizing me
is: 'Why do you not at least consider that there may be some benefit that
you can give your own patients by following my example and prescribe
for the ailment and not only for the symptoms ?' I have done my bit in
openly recording my experience in using Arnica for the control of
Diabetes, Eczema, Cellulitis, Eases Urine flow caused by BPH, Control
Incontinence, Overcomes Jet Lag and many other ailments which I have
listed in my article on the forums. It is indeed a shame that all they have
done so far except for you Gina alone, is to criticize me. I must admit that
I did expect this criticism but when one of those exalted types indicated
that my records were outrageous and called me a DANGEROUS MAN, I
must admit that this did anger me. This pompous fool seemed to equate
me with some form of dangerous chain poisoner who used Homeopathic
remedies to aid him in his nefarious work . I have not encountered this
individual on any forum ever before and I condemn his audacity to call me
a Dangerous Man ! It is precisely this pompous attitude that I am sick
and tired of reading about when it comes from people who are here today
and gone tomorrow.

I am gratified to note that you have followed my many posts on the
forums and commented on the attitude that I have displayed to help
anyone whom I feel I can. It really amazes me to note that only a very few
of those who are quick to attack and criticize me show their own
expertise in their one upmanship against me, and put their money where
their mouth is and spend their time more usefully by prescribing for even
one ailment posted by a sick person. Their attitude of not helping is
symptomatic of their attitude where they feel that their presence on the
forum is only good enough to criticize me but not to help suffering
humanity.

You have suggested that I further my studies of Homeopathic principles
but I do not have the time today to do so. I do however keep abreast of
homeopathic matters on the web which I believe is more useful today
than only reading and memorizing the classical texts. I would like to
confirm that I can also prescribe in the classical tradition if I so choose to
do so with assistance from my Radar 9.1 software which I can use to
equate the diagnosis and treatment that any one of the classical types can
offer if they choose to do so. However I have discovered that the remedies
that are suggested by this software have not always helped me to
alleviate the ailment of my patients and it was only when I used my
default remedy for the respective ailment, that a positive response was
evoked from the patient.

I have proved beyond doubt that in spite of this criticism that I have been
subjected to, I have achieved some unprecedented success in the
treatment of difficult cases like that of Rahul, the 21 year old boy whose
parents were desperate for a cure to bring him back to life after 2 months
in a coma and I had the courage to suggest Arnica 1M which helped to
wake him up in a week. He is reported now after about 16 weeks after his
accident to be talking and complaining of pain in his head. The other case
that I really enjoyed getting involved in was that of another old man of
82 years who had lost all motor control in his extremities, and I was able
to return him back to normal life again with Arnica 1M in about 2 months.

It is interesting that no other homeopath dared to suggest a remedy for
these cases and I had the greatest satisfaction in helping these patients
who may perhaps not have come back to normal life if I did not suggest
my favourite remedy Arnica, for which I am not any more surprised
whenever it brings forth another miracle cure.

I am confident that my method of diagnosis and treatment of the ailment
and not the symptoms will eventually be found to be the more logical
approach which future homeopaths hopefully will follow after they have
been relieved of the brain washing that they have received during their
studies. It is just this pretense of the Holier than Thou attitude that
irritates me especially when those who pontificate about the danger of my
method, which according to them only results in the suppression of the
ailment and not the cure, know fully well that my method of treating the
ailment is practiced by the large majority of practicing homeopaths
throughout the sub continent.

I am glad that you count me among the handful of 'volunteer
Homeopaths' who are willing to help others with our own concept of
Homeopathy, free of charge. I would like to add that I am impelled to do
so as I have ample proof that although the majority of the classical school
of homeopaths choose to deride me and my efforts to help humanity, the
good God has accepted my role in doing so and has blessed me with a
level of wellness which many who are 25 years junior to me envy. I believe
that it is my duty to give thanks to this Supreme Being by helping
suffering humanity to the best of my ability, braving the taunts and jibes
that the classical school have leveled at me, perhaps motivated by their
insane jealousy at the success of the method that I have adopted of
healing.

I invite them all to bury the hatchet and as I stated above put their money
where their mouth is, and spend more time on the forums motivated by a
positive attitude to healing instead of their present negative attitude of
compelling me to waste my time in rebutting their taunts at the expense
of the time that I can devote to healing.

Warm Regards

Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka


PS.

To Pannakkal

I note that you take exception to my prescribing Arnica for Eczema. I would like to assure you that I have used it to cure, and I mean CURE many cases which had defied the efforts of classical homeopaths who had all given up with their classical formulas.

I presume that you have never thought of using my favourite remedy ARNICA for ECZEMA and would recommend that you too do so, irrespective of your prejudice against me and my method of treating the ailment and not the symptoms of the patient.

I must admit that I do admire the vacant threats that you made in your post:

'So misleading patients to more complication by unhomoeopathic methods will not be tolerated in this forum, I warn you. Such post will not be encouraged and will be deleted as this is a homoeopathic forum.'

I would request you to open your mind to my way of practicing Homeopathy which has brought about so many Miracle cures especially of Eczema with Arnica that you are advised to add this ailment to your own Repertory for future use.


Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka
 
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