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NB: To.Mr.GavinMurthy - Can you please show some positive approach this time. Why don't you take up a case in this forum and treat and prove that you have better way of treating Fistula. The ultimate goal in this forum is, to help the people using the power of homeopathy. Please don't take it wrong. This is my humble suggestion and I believe you don't mind and take it positively.

Thanks
Raj

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Dear Raj

There is some underlying cause for people getting fistula. Homeopathy should attempt to find that obstacle and eradicate it.

Homeopathy is not 'one size fits all'. As such no standard therapy cures..it only palliates for some time.

That is the problem with allopathy and this pathy too.

I don't deal with chronic cases on these forums as I believe one needs to see the patient personally and take a detailed interview and deliberate on the data collected before arriving at the probable medicine.

It is difficult to do it in a forum setup. I do prescribe for acute cases when I find time.

Sometimes I do intervene in other threads to educate people on what is homeopathy and what is not.

Many people don't know how homeopathy is to be practiced. All concoction therapys go in the name of homeopathy and I try to set things straight.

I am yet to find a SINGLE CURED CASE on this long long thread. If someone can show such a statement from the previous posts on this thread I shall be grateful.

I won't consider posts that appear from now on making positive statements about the cure as there are many guys waiting to make such random posts either on request/ out of feeling pity on the prescriber.

How can any one verify whether they are true or not?

So the litmus test will be the previous posts. An unsolicited proof of cure..show me one.

Regards

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Forum user profile: posts by Megastar

re: anal fistula- fissure2008-01-05

I agree with Beth. Homeopathy and Joe's prescription HAS NO CURE for anal fistula. I tried Joe's therapy for more than one year, word for word, and did not even consume any alcohol or coffee as advised by him. YET, HIS THERAPY HAS FAILED.

Don't waste your time with Joe's therapy. Try your luck with surgery or any other new method that may have come up. I wish somehow my anal fistula would get cured, but till date have not tried surgery because of the overwhelmingly negative comments posted by people who had tried surgery. Almost 80-90% said that they had to go for repeated surgeries. This has scared me and so far prevented me from going in for a surgery. The fear that surgeries could do more damage to the anal area is a big deterrent for going in for a surgery. This is also a fact that the more surgeries you go for, the more money the surgeon makes. It is sad that the surgeons actually have a vested interest in your condition getting prolonged.

Will anal fistula patients have to live with their conditions for life? It is such a shame on medical science that they do not yet have a permanent cure for it.

******

This is from a patient who tried it out. He even had a few arguments with me.

Alas..finally he realised it.

Click on his name and read all his posts. You will understand what is going to be the case ..long term.

A few patients may get euphoric about it initially but the long term results are going to be no different than Megastar's.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Newbies may please read pages 25 to 30 to understand the futility of this pathy.

The uselessness of this therapy has been discussed threadbare and Joe was susequently suspended for continuing his tirade against me.(on some other threads too.) I too was warned but was left with a reprimand. :-)

His suspension is revoked a few months ago and he is back with his pet therapies.

What irks me most is his ire towards classical homeopathy. He uses every occassion whether befitting or not to deride the proper homeopathy. As long as he continues to do that the limitations of his therapy will be thoroughly exposed.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Gavini,

Your main grouse is that I do not follow the classical rules of Homeopathy which you have studied since 2003 on a 24x7 basis according to statements made by you at that time.

The main point to be considered in one's life is: What is the purpose of one's studies and education?

As far as I remember you are an engineer and a manager which you have stated before, with a cushy job and I presume that you have used your training and technical knowledge to good effect as a professional engineer. As for your interest in Homeopathy on which you have spent so many hours of study I often wonder what benefits both you and the patients derive from your studies. I also wonder why you chose to be so unnecessarily obstreperous shortly after the commencement of your studies in 2005 when you not so when you were my patient (remember your weight problem?) to criticize my therapy to describe which you coined a new word JOEPATHY around that time. This term, unfortunately for you, seems to have stuck as it is now featured on every Search engine and on Google alone, it lists over 1400 hits each of which features about 3-6 of my choice cases with the results and responses of patients.

You have always maintained that a patient must be cured only by the clearly defined rules of Hahnemann in his Organon. In my case I must frankly admit that after first studying it about 30 years ago, I preferred to use my own therapy (Joepathy) in the manner 'This for That' that I discovered was most effective. I do not usually prescribe a remedy unless I have proved it myself as being effective or in the alternative I have used it on patients whose progress I have carefully monitored after they were administered the Homeopathic remedy by me.

I believe that my Joepathy is far more effective than your own (pseudo) classical homeopathy in the rates of cures that I have established on the 4 Homeopathic Forums that I visit daily and also on my own selected patients whom I treat in Colombo where I live. I do not use any remedy because you or any other homeopath says so unless I have evidence that it has helped the patient. I am an avid reader and Homeopathic subjects have always fascinated me after I was convinced that modern medicine with all the drugs prescribed are only good to be used on a SOS basis but not in the long run to help a patient to be cured of his disease.

I am not interested in following the classical rules of Homeopathy as both you and I are only too aware of the
real truth of this adherence to the classical rules which have invariably lead to the patient being compelled to visit the homeopath for the next remedy to cure a simple case like Eczema, Asthma or in the case of Diabetes which cannot be cured but only controlled. I am convinced that the real truth of adhering to classical homeopathy is designed to control the patient's disease by ensuring that he is only given a remedy that will make him return for another 'classical' remedy next week. All this is with the avowed intention of raking in the revenue with each case the classical homeopath treats. I may be harsh in my judgement but I cannot but think that the reason why I cure so many thousands of patients with my Joepathy is because to me there is 'Joy in Healing' as I have never made any financial gain out of my Homeopathy although many have even sent me cheques for my services which I have returned with my thanks. I have proved that my Joepathy therapy invariably works (up to 95%) and there has never been any aggravation of any disease although you have always insisted that my therapy will only suppress the disease which will manifest itself later (when later?) You and I have been on this and other forums since 2003 or perhaps even before but can you substantiate your statement of aggravation due to my Joepathy with a case record? I have never had any case returning with a deeper problem and can honestly inform you that your assumption is false and your insistence on this bogey scenario is very obviously designed to scare off my patients. I do believe however that your perseverance will only make them more steadfast in consulting me. You will note the very obvious that in spite of your concerted attempts to gate crash my posts which I presume I can expect in the future, my patients seem to prefer to consult me and DISCARD your therapy.

You are aware that I have recorded my 'discoveries' in the use of Homeopathic remedies on this and other Homeopathic forums and I prefer to share them openly with others who may be interested as I am hopeful that when I am no more (remember that I am 81 years old) the Homeopathic world will remember that there was one person who steadfastly refused to accept the classical rule to 'Treat the totality of the SYMPTOMS the patient presents' and NOT the Disease itself as I have always done with my Joepathy. I must admit that I used to follow this classical rule originally and even got myself the world's most advanced and expensive software Radar 9.2 which has since been replaced by Radar 10 which I do not have as it is too expensive to have as I already have and use the 9.2 which is good enough as it was released just 5 years ago while the Radar 10 was released last year. Radar is very helpful to refer to text books that I may not have and to advice on the various remedies identified by this software.

It seems such a pity that all your studies in homeopathy have lead you as far as I can see, to only criticize me and my Joepathy. You seem to waste all your time in the analysis of each of the posts I make to patients with a fine tooth comb which you hope will eventually yield the necessary result where you can state with glee 'Did I not tell you so ?' I wonder when you will finally succeed.

It seems such a shame that your one ambition in life, at least as far as your presence (infestation) on the ABC is concerned and now on this Fistula Thread which you did not visit till a day or so ago, is to waste my time and that of other patients who seek some relief for their chronic ailments is to point out what seems to you to be the only pertinent matters that remain which is to condemn my Joepathy which has helped so many patients who have expressed their gratitude which you can read if you only will take your pseudo classical blinkers off.

I often wonder what the real reason for your presence is on this thread and have reached the conclusions listed below which I feel are the motivations that guide you in your life today on the ABC:

1 Jealousy

2 Spite

3 Inability to reoice at the successful resolution of a case.

4 Inability to think straight after your 'Brain Boils Over' which is common in the evening hours.

5 The vicarious satisfaction you get from attacking me in the hope that you can ferret out some matter that you can then hopefully magnify to be more important that the cure of the patient.

6 Lack of LOVE towards humanity where you have established yourself in your own warped mind as the Pseudo Homeopathic Demi God who must be obeyed by all others. You are obviously living in a world of make believe and no patient will take you seriously anymore as you can already see from the post above. You can consider yourself extremely fortunate that Simon has tolerated you so far and I look forward to the time when he will give you the kick you so richly deserve in your pants if only for the time that you compel me to waste on responding to your inane posts. It is good to know that you are even anticipating this treatment from him which hopefully will be soon to enable this forum to have some peace.

You tried the same tactics on me on the Homeopathy and More forum and I had the satisfaction of kicking you out myself without any ceremony.

I notice that you have again rustled up a catalogue of posts which may or may not point to CURES. I have not read them so far and will not waste my time in doing so but I would like to make a final comment on your submission in your post that I have not CURED anyone but have only PALLIATED their anal ailments. You are obviously not reading the texts of the post correctly on all the 44 pages that are on this Forum and you are advised to do so before you make comments such as this which are so transparently untrue. If I have saved just ONE patient from the only alternative of another experimental surgery, I feel that my time here has been spent fruitfully.

I hope that at least now, you will realize and accept that I am not here to bandy words with you. I am here to help my patients and you can I hope, sense the love that they project towards me and I to them.

Remember that LOVE will only flow BOTH ways and NOT in ONE.

I hope that I have made myself clear and that you can understand the flow of my thoughts as it is still early in the afternoon here in Colombo is almost 6.00PM on Saturday June 5 2004 and I hope that you catch this post before your 'Brain Boils Over'

Joe De Livera







This is in response to your last 2 posts above one of which I copy below:

'The uselessness of this therapy has been discussed threadbare and Joe was susequently suspended for continuing his tirade against me.(on some other threads too.) I too was warned but was left with a reprimand. :-)

His suspension is revoked a few months ago and he is back with his pet therapies.

What irks me most is his ire towards classical homeopathy. He uses every occassion whether befitting or not to deride the proper homeopathy. As long as he continues to do that the limitations of his therapy will be thoroughly exposed.'


You may like to know that Simon suspended me for some reason best known to him when I advised a patient you were treating to use Arnica as you had not responded to his urgent plea for help. You have copied this post on this thread and anyone who reads it will agree that there was nothing offensive in my advice.

In direct contrast you have been BANNED from this forum with your original side kicks Nisha and Jacob Scott as far as I remember over 3 times under Bandarabu, Gavini, Murthy and now we await the next ban under gavinimurthy.

You must understand and hopefully realize that you were BANNED on previous occasions due to your unreasonable, obsteporous, irrational posts that can only originate from a depraved mind with a brain that 'Boils over'

'What irks me most is his ire towards classical homeopathy. He uses every occassion whether befitting or not to deride the proper homeopathy. As long as he continues to do that the limitations of his therapy will be thoroughly exposed'

You will never be successful in changing my views about Joepathy and I hope that you are aware that I am not the only voice in the wilderness of Homeopathy that is of this opinion.

Please visit

Prasanta Baherji Homeopathic Research Foundation

I shall copy their statement for your edification and hopefully your future education in Homeopathy;

Banerji Protocol of Treatment

http://www.pbhrfindia.org/index.php/A-New-Beginning/Banerji-....

The Banerji Protocol is a new method of treatment using homeopathic medicines. Specific medicines are prescribed for specific diseases. Diseases are diagnosed using modern/state of the art methods. This is done because modern diagnostic approaches incorporate and help in the selection of medicines so that specific medicines could be easily prescribed for specific diseases. This is not practiced in classical homeopathy.

The concept of specific homeopathic medicine for a disease based on symptoms was first perceived and practiced by Late Dr. Pareshnath Banerji. With the passage of time and the availability of new diagnostic tools like Ultrasonography, MRIs, cancer markers and other advanced tests, we were able to further streamline the treatment protocols accurately. The efficiency of this streamlining is reflected by the encouraging results of The Banerji Protocol.

In The Banerji Protocol of treatment, mixtures of remedies or frequent repetitions of the remedies are used when required. This is not practiced in classical homeopathy. The combination of two potentized medicines, we use, are made in a meaningful way based on years of clinical experiments and observations by us. They are mixed for special advantages in treatment, so that the aggravation due to drugs can be checked, side effects of the medicines can be abated, quick and uneventful recovery can be ensured in a much shorter time.

Specific homeopathic medicines are also used for supportive care. Homeopathic medicines prescribed on constitutional grounds may play a useful role in supportive and palliative for patients with malignant disease.

The Banerji Protocol is scientific, logical and is based on all modern diagnostic tools and is very realistic.



http://www.pbhrfindia.org/
 
Joe De Livera last decade
There is no comparision of this pathy with Banerji protocol.

They deal with and prescribe atleast a couple of hundreds medicines though in combination... may be as specifics.

They depend on the time tested materia medica for arriving at their choices and don't limit themselves to Arnica, silecia, natrum phos, natrum sulph, blatta orientalis conium rhustox bellis and Bryonia..(I might have missed one or two) for all the the patients.

I was never a patient of this person and he sent me an unsolicited e mail to me about his great discovery. I subsequently used it in good faith but found no results and communicated the same to him through this forum long long back.

My challenge stands...

Show me the proof a single cure through this pathy (solely due to this pathy) from the back pages of this thread. It only takes a few hours.

In the pages I cited I gave ample proof that this is a useless therapy by quoting atleast a dozen persons.

I gave the full post of one person as a sample.

What prevents the therapist to highlight even one post that meets the above criteria?

The inability to take up this challenge and keep on raving about past issues that are deeply buried in the back pages of this forum is nothing but a last straw effort to keep up the morale of his few unsuspecting followers.

However it is my duty to expose this pathy to prevent unsuspecting people from falling prey to the worst of all therapies..combining allopathy with homeopathy..

The dangers of following this therapy will not be known until a few years when you will find yourself attacked with problems like gastric issues heart and lung problems arthiritis etc..

Read the thread the theory of suppression and please be aware. This therapy if at all palliates a few. It never cures.

Palliation is much more dangerous than living with the problem if you can't find a capable homeopath who can cure.


Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Absolute RUBBISH.

But keep on with your tirade if only to provide some light entertainment before you succumb shortly to your usual 'brain boiling over' syndrome.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Discuss on the points rised ..if you can.

Take one point/para at a time for better comprehension and debate over it logically.

I am a peaceful person and won't get provocated. I love homeopathy deeply and won't tolerate people making a nuisance of it.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
I shall endeavour to copy some posts by Gavini for the edification of members on this thread which will show him in his true colours.

I shall continue with my quest to quell him and I hope that members will not be unduly intimidated by my references to his mission of HATE which is the only language that Gavini understands and projects throughout his life which he has projected from the time that he first joined this forum.

This dates back to November 2006

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/1127/25

re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-07Dear Murthy,

I have noticed that you have, in the recent past, been shadowing my progress on almost every thread that I post on especially those like this one, where many patients who have benefitted from my therapy have testified to the fact that their condition has shown considerable progress and improvement, in many cases after months under the care of other specialists in anal problems including surgeons and other homeopaths who I presume, have also followed your standard classical methods of prescribing for an ailment with no obvious success.

I note that you have stated that a Fistula is a 'visible expression of some deeper problem in you' . Unfortunately you have not proved your statement with examples, preferably on the ABC. You have also continued to issue your standard warning of doom and gloom if the patient continues to 'supress' it with my therapy which ' may land it into more serious problems'.

It is very strange that you consistently refuse to read the evidence present right in front of your eyes on the thread where patients who have been suffering for years have discovered that there is an alternative to being chopped up every few months by their surgeons if they follow the simple therapy that I have pioneered, which is quite unlike your obviously hyper-classical therapy which we have yet to see, at hopefully some time in the future.

It is a matter of some academic interest that you have never specified the nature of these serious problems that you envisage although you do so delight in only spreading that fear in the mind of the patient when it would have been more apt for you to do so with evidence of the dangerous disease that you hope or even wish that the patient suffers from, resultant from my Joepathy. You have so far been disappointed in your macabre wish to see a person who is already suffering , suffer still more as a result of using my Joepathy. I would have expected you to at least have the courtesy of waiting for the remote possibility of a repeat of the lady with the breast lump who seems to have resolved her lump and her fistula successfully before you went into your present attack mode again and again.

It is strange that in spite of the bait you offer, none of the patients on this thread have fallen for it so far by following your orders, and you still keep nursing that forlorn hope that you can entice them away with your own hyper classical brand of homeopathy which has not fooled anyone so far.

I believe that this fact alone gives more credence to the actual impact of my brand of Joepathy which is designed to heal and not kill as evidenced on this thread and many others that you infest.

JoeReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Megastar on 2006-11-07Dear Murthy,

My situation is somewhat similar to Vahboy's. I quote you: ' Your fistula is the visible expression of some deeper problem in you'. Unquote.

It is only appropriate that you should have elaborated on the 'deeper problem' which Vahboy suffers from, rather than just making a loose statement like this.
So, what according to you is the deeper problem which all fistula patients have which becomes visible in the form of the abcess??

I have noticed that though you criticize Joe's therapy, you do not give any ALTERNATIVE therapy of your own. Your excuse is that each patient's case is different.


If you read the old pages in this topic you will find my case history in my first post on this topic. But I will repeat it for your convenience. My fistula first developed approx. four years ago after a long overseas flight. My work also involves sitting for long hours in front of the computer. I had been taking homeopathic medicine before becoming aware of this website, but it did not help. After taking Joe's therapy for 5 weeks, my fistula has drained 4-5 times but the outer wound is still open. There is a small amount of pus-blood which wets the wound on a daily basis. Now there is no drainage from the inner opening and the discomfort level is less. I don't expect any miracles to happen in one month of Joe's therapy so I am willing to continue with it for a few more months as I hope it might help me.

If you have any better therapy than Joe's then pls tell me in your reply. Otherwise, pls do not confuse the patients and spread negativity here.

Regards,
MegastarReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-07Hi Megastar

I know it is difficult to belive that a problem like fistula may lead to suppression,in case it is maltreted.

There are many many case histories, throughout history to prove this point.

I wish you come back after a few months and post your experience.

There is no negativism in what I am telling. It is in the interest of patients. I have no animosity towards Joe or anybody else.

If you don't believe me, go ahead and continue the treatment.

All the best.

MurthyReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-07To Megastar

My thanks go to you for your unsolicited testimonial that there is indeed some benefit that you have derived from my Joepathy.

I do hope that other patients who have been helped by my therapy will also join Megastar in stating the outcome of their cases under my Joepathy.

I feel that it is time that Murthy's Classical homeopathy which he touts as being the ONLY manner of curing ALL ailments is finally debunked and I invite those who receive the email alert to please respond and state their success or failure in using my Joepathy.Report post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Megastar on 2006-11-07Dear Murthy,
Again, you have side-stepped the real questions I asked:

What is the 'deeper problem' (which you mentioned to Vahboy) in fistula patients and how, in your opinion, should it be treated?

In absence of any answer from you to this question, I don't think anyone would take you seriously. I take your point that you are posting your messages with an intention of helping the patients here, but frankly, they are not really helping.

I wish you all the best too. Regards

Dear Joe,
For the last four years or so, I have only been managing it by draining the fistula regularly. I have not opted for surgery because I have not yet met or heard from a single patient who was treated with surgery, that their problem was permanently cured. I find managing the fistula with periodical drainage a slightly better option than facing the risk of surgery. I was taking homeopathic medicine for it even before I came to this website and started your treatment. But it did not help in curing it.

Since I have been following your therapy only for the last approx. 5 weeks, it is too early to give a verdict on it. I am taking your therapy (and will continue with it) because the logic behind the function of each of your prescriptions sounds good to me, theoretically. Let's see whether it can cure me in practice. I believe in the power of positive thinking and will take your therapy with the hope that it might cure me permanently.

RegardsReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Hi Megastar

The deeper problem could be a miasmatic influence, inherited from your parents,or some obnoxious influence like typhoid etc.,which could have triggered it,or an emotional upset.

Only when you treat those miasms/the causation factors, fistula will go away.

A complete case is to be taken,and a medicine is to be prescibed, based on totality.

MurthyReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-08Dear Murthy

I note that you have again repeated your classical interpretation of Megastar's case. You will note that he has confirmed a considerable improvement in his condition in just 5 weeks using my therapy which anyone who has read this thread can use. Many have confirmed a successful resolution of their Fistula/Fissure/Abscess and all you persist in doing is to continue to sow that iota of doubt in the mind of the patient about the dire consequences that may follow if he does not change his therapy.

May I suggest that you at least indicate what alternative therapy you can prescribe to Megastar for the miasms which you presume he has inherited from his parents.

In my humble opinion the beginnings of a Fistula start with a hard stool which results from constipation which lacerated in some manner the anal musculature. This leads to infection and if at that stage an antibiotic ointment is used, all is well as the lesion is soon healed. Otherwise this lesion is daily exacerbated with each passing stool and this leads to a more deep seated infection of the area which then evolves as a Fissure or a Fistuls or at least an Abscess.

To my mind the etiology is straight forward and the cure that I have pioneered is logical and direct and has cured many.

I would appreciate your comments on my theory.Report post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Your mind can think of the etiology starting with hard stool.

We want to analyse, why this particular patient is having hard stool.

We want to go back to the root and treat it.

We want to analyse why only a hanful of patients have fistula,when so many others don't have this problem.

We will look into their history, look at their parents' history, look at the various treatments they had,etc..etc..

A medicine selected after this thorough analysis has a fair chance of commencing the cure.

As symptoms change, we change the medicines, and finally the patient is completely cured, not only of his fistula, but, of all his othe problems too.

MurthyReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-08I can see that you just do not seem to be able to rationalize and think straight any more.

You have stated:
'We want to analyse, why this particular patient is having hard stool.

We want to go back to the root and treat it.'


Here is the living proof of what your mind cannot see as you have so programmed it even when faced with the realities of life which include a hard stool which even I pass perhaps once in 6 month, if I do not remember to eat some fruit after both lunch and dinner. I have no major problem with a hard stool as I am sure you do not also, but in the case of the standard patient if he is constipated for a day or two and finally succeeds in pressurizing it out, he discovers that there is some burning in his rectum. This is the start of the anal problem.

You will observe that if we were to logically rationalize your argument which I believe you owe to your own hyper classical interpretation of homeopathy, to trace the cause of the stool back to its origins step by step, you will eventually be compelled to trace the patient's heritage that he inherited from birth, including the miasms and other rubbish.

Here is a case where the patient consults you for his constipation and you then start your standard case taking procedure, which in many cases puts the patient off due to the questions that you pose to him and you then come up with the constitutional remedy. All this is short circuited if you give the patient some Nat Phos 6x tablets and he will have an easy stool which is all part of the curative process.

My point is that there is no need to change the remedies for a Fistula that I prescribed depending on the change of symptoms that you visualize as the only progress usually of a patient following my therapy, is upwards to a cure. This is a far cry from repeated surgical adventures or can be even made worse by your constitutional remedy method.Report post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Miasms and rubbish???

Dear Joe

No one can practice homeopathy and expect cures of chronic cases without knowing about miasms.

Homeopathy is not child's play.It needs serious study to master it.

You can't undo all the theory and philosophy of Homeopathy, by calling it rubbish.

That shows nothing but your ignorance.

MurthyReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-08Dear Murthy,


I note that you take serious objection to the 3 words 'Miasms and rubbish' that I stated in my para which I shall copy below for your further information. I would like to reassure you that I do not by any means consider the theory and philosophy of the science of Homeopathy as rubbish. It is only the interpretation of this science by you, that I classify under that category.

I do agree with you that the science of Homeopathy requires serious study to master and it is very unlikely that both you and I will ever do so within our lifetime simply because the response of one patient is so different from the other and it is absolutely impossible to record the nuances of each case for purposes of study and record. However when the prescriber has sufficient experience in the use of a remedy which he uses say for this case of simple constipation it is not at all necessary that the Miasms are even considered as this will only serve to make a mountain out of a molehill and this would be unfair to make the patient suffer in the process of treatment.

Here is my statement which I have copied from my last post:

You will observe that if we were to logically rationalize your argument which I believe you owe to your own hyper classical interpretation of homeopathy, to trace the cause of the stool back to its origins step by step, you will eventually be compelled to trace the patient's heritage that he inherited from birth, including the miasms and other rubbish.


You will observe that I was referring to the hard stool which I felt that you would first want to trace back to the 'miasms and rubbish' that will all add up to the 'constitutional remedy' that you will prescribe for a simple state of constipation. This analysis would obviously take a very long time and the question that you will have to ask yourself is, What will the patient do in the meanwhile while you are engrossed with the process of identifying the Miasm that he has inherited from the parents ?

In my considered opinion the miasm will have absolutely no bearing on a simple case of constipation for which as I indicated I would first prescribe Nat Phos 6x which will in almost all cases help with regularizing the patient's bowel movements.

I am fully conversant with the theory of Miasms but I must admit that I do not give it much weightage in my prescribing a remedy as the process of identifying it is involved and cannot be done accurately within the short period that the patient is in consultation. The main purpose of a patient consulting a physician is to get well quickly and I feel that it is time that you shed your classical homeopathic training aside and get down to brass tacks in common with the majority of your classical bretheren and treat your patients with the obvious remedy, and enable them to return to health ASAP.

JoeReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Megastar on 2006-11-08Dear Murthy,
After going through the discussion you are having with Joe about Miasms. I googled for this word and came up with this useful link:

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/homeopathy_miasm_gina.....

According to the information posted on the above link page Miasms are of four types and Fistula is given under the category of Syphlictic Miasm. So, my question is this: If the info given in the above weblink is true, then it implies that everyone who suffers from a fistula, suffers from the same Miasm. So, logically if every fistula patient has the same Miasm then the treatment for all such patients would also be more or less, the same. Wouldn't it?

Ofcourse, it is known to everybody that all diseases are due to either genetics or the environment in which one lives. Your mental/emotional health affects your physical health too. I agree to that. Who in this world, does not have one or the other disease??

After the info you have provided about Miasms, the next logical question is HOW TO REMEDY THEM if not by medicines? By counselling?? LOL. Do you have the answer to that??

I could find all the information I need about Homeopathy if I spend some time in googling pages like the link I have given above. But I neither have the time nor the inclination to become a Homeopathy expert. I have other things to do. I would rather let an expert help me out with advise on curing my fistula.

And I thought that Joe is the expert who could help me with my fistula problem that's why I'm taking his therapy. If you think you can do better than him, then you should SPELL OUT YOUR THERAPY to me. I think you now have all the information you need about my particular case and you should have been able to provide some remedy to me if you do not agree with Joe's.

But all you do is find faults with Joe's therapy without giving an ALTERNATIVE THERAPY of your own.

RegardsReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Joe De Livera on 2006-11-08To Megastar

Thank you for your post addressed to our exponent of Hyper Classical Homeopathy who has been the cause of so much consternation on this and other forums in the recent past to the chagrin of its resident prescribers and also the moderator.

You have stated your case clearly and we all now await Murthy's diagnosis and his therapy for your Fistula which hopefully will yield more positive results than the treatment that I have recommended to you which you have used successfully for some weeks.

I shall closely monitor his input towards treating your problem and we shall all see how the magic of classical homeopathy works.Report post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08Hi Megastar

I told you many times that , a complete case has to be taken, by a comptent homeopath,before the medicine that suits you can be selected.

Each individual's case is different,and what works for X need not work for Y.

It is the allopathic mindset of people which is making persons like you to have a false hope that Joe's therapy may work.

Anyway, continue with whatever therapy, you have faith in, and try to post periodical results.

MurthyReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-08hi Megastar

The information you gave is not enough to prescribe for you.

There is a chroinic case taking questionnery by Rajivprasad on this forum.

There are about 135 answers to be given.

Please respond to that questionnery and post it.

Then only, I will be able to help you.

MurthyReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom Megastar on 2006-11-09Dear Murthy,

So, as per your last comment you admit that you are NOT a 'competent homeopath'. And it is obvious to all by now that you have NO CLUE whatsoever how to treat me or other fistula patients here.

Whoever heard of answering 135 questions before getting treatment from a homeopath. I know many competent classical homeopaths also and I never came across one who asks 135 questions from his/her patients before starting treatment. Are questions about my income and my bank balance also a part of the questionnaire? LOL.

My final word to you, Murthy, is that your comments on this thread are OF ZERO VALUE to any of the patients here and you should go get a life.

I am going to continue with Joe's therapy.

RegardsReport post to moderator re: anal fistula- fissureFrom gavinimurthy on 2006-11-09Wow.!!!

All the best, my dear friend.

Murthy



Gavini will never say DIE.

More of his posts which will show up the depths of his depraved mind will follow in due course when I have the time as I am determined to expose him for the hypocrite he is.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
You are only repeating what I said.

I did say that Megastar did have arguments with me and what you are highlighting are those posts.

I quoted his last post in full. I will repeat here.

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re: anal fistula- fissure2008-01-05

I agree with Beth. Homeopathy and Joe's prescription HAS NO CURE for anal fistula. I tried Joe's therapy for more than one year, word for word, and did not even consume any alcohol or coffee as advised by him. YET, HIS THERAPY HAS FAILED.

Don't waste your time with Joe's therapy. Try your luck with surgery or any other new method that may have come up. I wish somehow my anal fistula would get cured, but till date have not tried surgery because of the overwhelmingly negative comments posted by people who had tried surgery. Almost 80-90% said that they had to go for repeated surgeries. This has scared me and so far prevented me from going in for a surgery. The fear that surgeries could do more damage to the anal area is a big deterrent for going in for a surgery. This is also a fact that the more surgeries you go for, the more money the surgeon makes. It is sad that the surgeons actually have a vested interest in your condition getting prolonged.

Will anal fistula patients have to live with their conditions for life? It is such a shame on medical science that they do not yet have a permanent cure for it.

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Yes. He did argue with me. Alas..this is his final conclusion.!!!

Whose stand gets vindicated?

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Gavin, Joe,

I don't know if your trying to convince each other, or other readers of this forum, but either way, it seems you're going to be unsuccessful.

However witty and persuasive you think your monologues are, they are a waste of your time: readers of the forum just switch off (and go elsewhere) when they see petty and verbose arguments like this.

As for convincing each other, your welcome to devote your energies to trying to do this but do it BY EMAIL, but not on my forum.

Kindly ignore each other, or take it elsewhere. You are both valued members on your own, but taken together you are detrimental to the forum.

Thank you,
Simon
 
moderator last decade
Dear Simon

Do you find the following witty and persuasive?

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You can consider yourself extremely fortunate that Simon has tolerated you so far and I look forward to the time when he will give you the kick you so richly deserve in your pants if only for the time that you compel me to waste on responding to your inane posts. It is good to know that you are even anticipating this treatment from him which hopefully will be soon to enable this forum to have some peace.

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Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Simon,

I am in total agreement with you that this warfare has gone on long enough on your ABC which up to the time that Gavini decided to go on the rampage a few days ago, has been a haven of refuge for patients who seek a cure for their various ailments.

As you are perhaps aware, I have specialized in the treatment of Anal problems and it was only last December that I returned to the ABC after 4 years of exile caused by your banning me for having responded to a patient to whom I prescribed Arnica for his ailment. Up to today I cannot understand the reason for your ban. I returned at the pleadings of my patients by email some of whom I had been treating on this Fistula thread and as you may have read, there are many here today who depend on me to help them to overcome their ailment.

You will note that Gavini has often harped back to this post where you banned me which he copied a few days ago and he often uses your post as his Trump Card to threaten me into submission. He will never succeed of course in his endeavour.

Please believe me when I state that I do not enjoy this exchange of posts with Gavini but when he decides to be vicious and tries to inject his pseudo classical concept of homeopathy into the picture, this is where I draw the line. He has seldom if ever even tried to help a patient who is urgently in need of help which I or another homeopath can give, if only Gavini will permit us to do so.

As I have often informed you in the past, I am quite capable even at my advanced age of 81 years of rebutting any obstreperous and insulting posts that Gavini addresses to me and in the better interests of this ABC forum which you will remember I was one of the first few members who helped you to build it up in its early days, I would request you to use your right as the Moderator and order Gavini NOT TO INTERFERE with my advice to patients who post here in the hope of a cure.

I guarantee not to interfere with his posts as long as they do not contain any snide references to my therapy. In the recent past you have informed me that anyone is free to express his opinion on this Forum and you are now witness to the result of your magnanimity.

After his re-entry to this thread and to others which he has infested in the last week or two, Gavini has left behind a trail of destruction caused by his insulting remarks on the imminent danger that patients face if they use my Joepathy which is a term he coined to deride my therapy. To his chagrin this term has stuck and today lists about 1500 hits on every Search Engine. I am mentioning this as this very fact goes to prove that the intelligent public are only too aware of the relative values of the therapy that Gavini and I prescribe. That is presuming that Gavini decides to prescribe to a patient without berating me which is very rarely.

I shall leave it in your hands as the Owner and the Moderator of the ABC to act in the best interest of the members and the visitors whom you quantified at 10000 daily who I believe are all wondering what form of Tornado you have permitted to wreak destruction on your Forum.


Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera last decade
I learned of your website by another forum re: fistulas. I am always open to homeopathy for treatment. We decided to go with the first surgery because the abscess was soooo painful for him, but are hesitant for a second surgery. I was also recommended pomagranate comcentrate as an astringent and aloe vera juice to cut down on inflammation.
 
concernedwifetoo last decade
Good to learn that other Forums too have listed the ABC which I understand has a visitor turnout of over 10000 daily. This is easily the highest for any forum which deals with matters pertaining to health matters and I believe that my own contribution to this thread which deals with Anal ailments is by far the most successful in this field judging by the many patients whom I am treating currently and those whom I have cured and who have confirmed their cure.

I am not aware of the benefits that can accrue by using Pomegranate concentrate which as you state is an astringent. Pomegranates are widely grown in Sri Lanka where I live and it is very likely that the original raw material was exported from here. I also note your reference to Aloe Vera juice to reduce the inflammation. Here again I do not have any experience in its use.

I presume that you have already ordered the components of my therapy and when you do get them you can commence on my therapy as far as is possible in spite of the draining tubes which hang below your hunband's anus which must be causing him so much distress.

I hope that he is not using toilet paper after a bowel movement (BM) as this will further exacerbate his injury caused by the surgery. I would recommend that you get a hand shower, the type used for washing up after a BM to keep the area clean. This device should be available at any supermarket in your city and can be easily fitted by you on a DIY basis.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Simon

I will ignore joe and his rantings about me as long as they don't cross limits but will continue to help the visitors in educating about the dangers of palliation by inappropriate therapies.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Hi Concernedwife

Pomgranate and aloe vera are natural substances and there is no harm in trying them out.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy

Thank you. I plan to try whatever I can to avoid surgery. Any other suggestions apart from the arnica and silicea?
 
concernedwifetoo last decade
Dear Joe
The fistula opening did burst again but without much discomfort this time .The oozing is present again not much.There is no swelling too.

Any more recommendations?

Thanks
 
shiath last decade
Murthy, thanks for agreeing to ignore Joe, and vice versa.
 
moderator last decade
This is usually the etiology of the curative process and the fact that you are faced with another episode of it expelling pus is not of any consequence.

Remember that 'Rome was not built in a day'. I do not know how long you have suffered from your Anal problems but it will usually take about 3 months under my Joepathy to heal your problem which I believe I am the only person who has dared to do so in Medicine up to today.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks Joe
My husband has been suffering from this march . and I am patiently following the Joepathy ,I am just keeping you informed about his weekly progress.

Any thing to avoid surgery .

Thanks once again.
 
shiath last decade
HI Joe,

I think my post was missed in the communication with Murthy and so reposting it.

Sorry for not reminding about our communication in Homeopathy and more, few months back. After I noticed you are active now back in ABCHomeopathy I have posted here with my recent update.

However, the Dr just mentioned that its a Fistula Track ( not sure whether its in colon or not). Also, yes the drainage is from Fistula drains outside the anus and stains my clothing. I have PUS and followed by blood. Please let me know I can Scan and send my MRI report to you if needed.

You can see all my posts in Homeopathy and More.

My current condition is - Still draining PUS discharge ( in drops), at times some kind of white liquid discharge and sometimes bloody discharge.

After applying AB ointment, there is no itching after BM. But everyday at evening I get some kind of itching followed by discharge. I do Computer work and sit for long.

Please help me !



Thanks
Raj
 
rajhomeo75 last decade
To Raj

My apologies for not responding to your post.

I believe that your problem is due to the pressure you exert on your anal region due to long hours at your computer.

This is best treated by sitting on a hollow rubber inflatable cushion similar to the inner tube of a Bajaj 3 wheeler which you can use to take the pressure off the affected area.

You have not indicated for how long you have suffered from your anal problems and a detailed case history can help.

Continue with the therapy you are using today and report progress. For the record please list precisely what remedies you are using and how you are doing so.

Remember that a Fistula is not an ailment that can be cured easily but the records from patients on this thread show that my Joepathy has been able to help many and hopefully you will also be another success story.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Mr. Joe,

Thanks for the response. I shall find the hollow seat and try to sit on that while in office. I can put that on top of my chair and sit on that.

Also, if you remember we had many communications in HopeopathyAndMore. As you have requested only I went for MRI and had it done. I am not able to post any link in this reply otherwise I would have posted the link for that forum. Please let me know if needed I can send it in Email.

This is the following medidince I take now :

1. Silicea 6x Dose 2 tablets taken thrice daily
2. Arnica 30c in the Wet dose a capful of the bottle taken thrice daily
3. Nat Phos 6x Dose 2 tablets taken twice daily after meals
4. Ferr Phos 6x Dose 2 tablets taken twice daily
5. Antibiotic Ointment applied in and around the anus by a finger after every BM. I don't use Glove. Does this matter ?

Please let me know. I am suffering from this for the past 6 years. Don't want to do any surgery.

Thanks
Raj
 
rajhomeo75 last decade
You have followed my instructions but there is one point that I must clarify for you.

The massage with the Antibiotic must done with the finger and must be as deep as the top level of the Fistula as it is necessary to gently push the pus and the fecal matter that may be stagnating in the Fistula out into the open.

You do not need the finger cote or rubber glove but this is more hygenic in use.
 
Joe De Livera last decade

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